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It's different when it's your ox being gored: In Newton, worries grow over schools
Boston Globe ^ | February 10, 2002 | Anand Vaishnav

Posted on 02/10/2002 3:23:58 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:07:22 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

NEWTON - This suburb of high-priced homes and high-flying MCAS scores is not the sort of place that wants its renowned public schools to be called ''Somewhere Else, USA'' - especially not by its own superintendent.

Yet Jeffrey M. Young flashed the label at a recent meeting, hinting that millions in proposed budget cuts would saddle Massachusetts' 10th-largest school system with ''paperbacks bound with duct tape, textbooks from the 1980s, and microscopes that should be in the Smithsonian.''


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Parents are beginning to pay attention.

Delayed returns show Humble school bond vote too close to call --"Stand Up for Kids, a grass-roots group fighting the bond proposal, supports …"

Galveston's school bond plan falls short --"...a group called Taxpayers Against Higher Taxes for Poorer Education."

1 posted on 02/10/2002 3:23:59 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Do you have sites for Stand Up for Kids or Taxpayers Against Higher Taxes for Poorer Education?
2 posted on 02/10/2002 3:39:48 AM PST by serinde
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
People in Newton may differ on the causes, but as the override debate escalates, most agree the district can't ride on its past alone.

Groan.

I live in a town with similar demographics to Newton. We currently have been having tax limit override "campaigns". Last Fall, it was defeated 2:1.

They are back: We have another vote this month. They never, never stop. Worse, they use OUR money to lobby US, using the taxpayer's materials and facilities to print handouts, and propagandize the students.

Let one pail of slop miss the trough, and the squealing starts!

We need more teachers, and fewer "Education Professionals" .... A town of 23,000, with THREE superintendents.

Perhaps if Newton were to skip an occasional Fisting 101 course.....Ahh, you know the rest.

3 posted on 02/10/2002 3:45:59 AM PST by Gorzaloon
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I'd be interested to know what the ratio of administrators to classroom teachers is. Lately it seems all school systems feel the need to overload on bosses.
4 posted on 02/10/2002 3:51:09 AM PST by Glenn
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To: serinde
Do you have sites for Stand Up for Kids or Taxpayers Against Higher Taxes for Poorer Education?

No I don't, but check this out. This school district is about halfway between the aforementioned two. Clear Creek Independent School District Taxpayers.org

They raised the alarm here but the bond issue passed. Maybe next time. I know there will be a next time.

The school board said there is nothing they can do because the Robin Hood Act takes from the affluent districts and we need to make up that shortfall.

5 posted on 02/10/2002 3:58:11 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Gorzaloon
Yeah, another thing they can do away with is those "outreach" counselers and those overpaid "grief counselers" that are always "made available" when there is a tragedy involving one of the students. Basically these are $150 an hour shrinks who sit around the empty school all day drumming their fingers while the student body is revelling in their unexpected day off, sitting home watching MTV, playing networked video games and raiding Mom's liquor cabinet (while she is at work).

There sure are a lot of useless people kept on the payrolls at school systems. Take the janitors for instance. Schools could save a ton of money doing what most companies do, just outsource some cleaning service to come in after school hours to sweep the place up. When I went to school in the 1970s, all the janitors ever did was amble around the corridors with a mop and be the butt of jokes. One janitor was a pedophile, he would hang out in the boys room and leer at us.

I can go on and on, don't get me started on school systems!

6 posted on 02/10/2002 3:59:01 AM PST by SamAdams76
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school choice. Quality and money in schools are NOT the same thing
7 posted on 02/10/2002 4:01:51 AM PST by GeronL
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Dallas just passed a $1.3 Billion bond package as a stop-gap meansure. They'll be back in a few years for more.
8 posted on 02/10/2002 4:02:58 AM PST by GeronL
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
What about that group for the Separation of School and State?
9 posted on 02/10/2002 4:04:03 AM PST by GeronL
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To: Glenn
I'd be interested to know what the ratio of administrators to classroom teachers is.

I like it more widely known how much administrators make and their educational background, as in subjects (the teacher's too). I know it's all educat-psycobabble.

This special education is a scam. They pick over each student looking for some thing, anything, that will give them a reason to "place" them in some "special" class.

Years ago I was contacted by the elementary school. They told me that my daughter, who has an ever so slight lisp, needed to be "placed." I told them, What?! I said it was cute and she didn't need to be placed. And that was that. She graduated from TX A&M and holds a very responsible job.

Getting kids into lunch programs and special ed classes and bi-lingual education, etc. just expands their pool of money and employees more LIBERALS.

It's all about social engineering and driving the LIBERAL agenda.--Teachers union adopts resolution to protect gays

10 posted on 02/10/2002 4:07:34 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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We need more teachers, and fewer "Education Professionals" .... A town of 23,000, with THREE superintendents.

Bump!

11 posted on 02/10/2002 4:08:40 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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Folks should bug their local school boards to learn how their budgets are apportioned. Most of our budget goes to salaries, bennies, and administrative costs. Yet when cuts are made, darn little comes out of this slice of the pie. I think the biggest part of the school budget problem (getting a good one) stems from the same thing that plagues national budget discussions: ignorance. People should arm themselves with knowledge if they want to win a budget fight.
12 posted on 02/10/2002 4:09:30 AM PST by mewzilla
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''You cannot live on the reputation of an institution,'' said Dottie Engler, a former School Committee member. ''You have to continue to have cutting-edge programs. That's what cutting-edge school systems do, and Newton needs to continue to do that.''

Let's see. You have an excellent school system, but you have to keep tinkering to stay "cutting edge?" I'm sure that's not the whole problem here -- the special ed thing is out of control in a lot of places -- but the attitude is revealing. It is easy to lose sight of basics if you are locked into a "what's new" mindset. Suddenly you're off chasing trendy bells and whistles and forgetting that teaching 5-6-7 year olds to read hasn't changed much.

13 posted on 02/10/2002 4:14:05 AM PST by sphinx
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To: SamAdams76
Why not make the students clean up after themselves. Five year old do. Marines do it. What, is it beneith them? And another idea. School car tax. A kid wants to drive his car. Fine. Charge'm $300/year for a parking slot. Welcome to capitalism kid.
14 posted on 02/10/2002 4:15:22 AM PST by Leisler
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To: mewzilla
I think the biggest part of the school budget problem (getting a good one) stems from the same thing that plagues national budget discussions: ignorance. People should arm themselves with knowledge if they want to win a budget fight.

And they need to get the word out to the community. The educrats will fight tooth and nail and the community needs to work hard to combat local LIBERAL media who spin for the teacher's union and the campaigning in classrooms by teachers. Oh, and let's not forget the "My Child Is A Genius" bumper stickers--the panacea for parents that everything is just fine.

15 posted on 02/10/2002 4:19:25 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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Suddenly you're off chasing trendy bells and whistles and forgetting that teaching 5-6-7 year olds to read hasn't changed much.

It really is that simple but just teaching doesn't put more of our money into their pockets and into the hands of Democrat politicians.

(June 22, 2000)- NEA's Political Activities Detailed--[Excerpt] WASHINGTON (AP) -- The nation's largest teachers union, which reports to the IRS that it spends no union dues on politics, spent millions of dollars to help elect ''pro-education candidates,'' produce political training guides and gather teachers' voting records, internal documents show.

The National Education Association documents reviewed by The Associated Press provide a rare window into the internal workings of one of the most powerful unions in the country. The union said Thursday it believes it complied with the law.

The documents state that the union since 1994 has budgeted or spent money from its general account -- funded by about $200 million a year in teachers' dues -- on activities ranging from recruiting teacher-friendly candidates to helping state affiliates raise political action committee funds.

A July 1999 strategic plan states the union budgeted $4.9 million for the 2000 election for such things as ''organizational partnerships with political parties, campaign committees and political organizations.'' [End Excerpt]

16 posted on 02/10/2002 4:23:41 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: GeronL
Quality and money in schools are NOT the same thing

That's the truth, look at Washington D.C. schools.

Dallas just passed a $1.3 Billion bond package as a stop-gap meansure.

Now that's a screwed up district!

17 posted on 02/10/2002 4:25:28 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: GeronL; ALL
"School choice. Quality and money in schools are NOT the same thing."

No more phone calls..................we have a winner.

18 posted on 02/10/2002 4:25:48 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: RightOnline
Maybe Newton can eliminate all the pro homosexual brainwashing that goes on in that district. Maybe that will save money and the grief from parents.

Btw... I wonder if Madeline Aucoin is married to someone who might be the son of my old Social Studies teacher, Miss. Aucoin. That would be interesting.

19 posted on 02/10/2002 4:48:10 AM PST by UbIwerks
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