Skip to comments.Missing Danielle Parents Allegedly Swingers
Posted on 02/11/2002 5:06:42 PM PST by Petronski
Larry asked them about it just now on Larry King Live (2-11-2), and they refused to deny it.
Sneakypete is totally cynical about the world. I am as well, but he outdoes even me. I sense something really messed up in his mind, almost evil. He is not a man you could turn your back on. Sneaky, you need help. I have been a correctional officer in a state pen. You make the right sounds to be an inmate.
Please, sneakypete, never go into law enforcement!
Your posts have demonstrated that you hold women and girls in deep contempt. Thus, it is likely that on a subconscious level, or perhaps not subconscious, you would have the attitude, "she got what was coming to her."
Also, you, and a few others have demonstrated a remarkable ability to overlook obvious leads and discrepencies in a criminal investigation. So what if there were people in the house around the time of the kidnapping...what could they have to do with anything?????
The bar friends, the swingers, the sexual addicts are all the good and nice guys...you would probably go after the monogamous family up the street and harrass them. Your posts have indicated that it's the monogamous men and women that you do not trust and have contempt for.
I know that California is an extremely liberal state, but in many, many other states, if a child is hurt or killed during the course of parental pursuits...such as waking up and wandering into a crack party, and being thrown against the wall...the parents are as liable as the "guest" who threw the child.
He screeches about those trying to impose a religious viewpoint on sex and marriage but when someone takes a logical extension to homosexual sex and NAMBLA type sex, he guffaws at the comparison.
The comparison isn't in the type of sex, it is in the imposition of "values" or morals.
Sounds to me like he's too busy hating organized religion to really define what his "values" are.
Women have fallen from their place of honor where men believed they should protect them. Our culture has done that. Women have become competitors and "equals" rather than cherished and loved women. Rather than being true equals with man and helpmates, they have become something to be conquered.
Women have largely become mere sexual objects anyway, so why would raping them bother these men? Women have low self-esteem that they think they have to prostitute themselves in order to get the attention of these low-life men. Both men and women in our culture have sunk to the sewer level. It is a no-win scenario.
Sexual deviates and just messed-up-in-the-mind people won't admit they need help. Sometimes, they don't even know it.
This threat is far overblown.
Personally, I don't want a theocracy......whose would it be? The Catholics? Presbyterian? Orthodox?........
I'm interesting that many of you who like to boast about your independent thinking do nothing but ape what the leftist press has to say on the matter.
They love to scare people with the 'theocracy' strawman, and it seems to have worked on you. Just think of it.......you've been brainwashed by the left.
The left uses the 'theocracy' strawman so it may justify banning Christians from the political arena........and why?
For the same reason every totalitarian goes after those of faith in the first wave. Because while everybody else slips into moral bankruptcy, they know that the Christians are going to call them on the inevitable abomonations they will be implementing. Because when everybody else is so concentrated on the 'self', and their own pleasures, gratifications, they don't even notice these facists coming. Because everybody else will be so paralysed by their inability to condemn anything. Not so with us, and they hate us for that quality.
You have fallen for it hook, line, and sinker.
That's the kind of response someone puts up when their argument has fallen on its face.
IOW, how do you know that that repairman wasn't at a swingers club the night before?
A really bothersome thing is that the alarm system indicated an open door (described in one writeup as an open sliding patio door and an open garage door). That evidently evoked no curiosity on the part of the husband or wife. I think the first reaction of any parent would have been to see if the kids were OK.
And the mom dancing with the suspected next door neighbor? Something smells about the whole setup.
She wouldn't even be my wife. But that is the difference in the sub-cultures of our society. They do things differently. They think differently. They act differently. And we are talking about sub-cultures. People who live on the seamy side of life don't have the same values as the majority. I am hoping that they are still the minority.
If you pick up some dude from a bar, you know what you are dealing with. There is a question about the repairman who you call to fix something. But you still don't trust any stranger that comes into your house. You watch that person, and a woman alone should never let in anyone.
Good grief. YOU sense evil? You call pete a messed up convict type? -- Pete was out there in Nam, putting his life on the line while you were acting 'tough cop' in front of a bunch of losers.
Your prior record of posts here at FR have real evidence of the 'evil' in your heart, as does the one above. -- Pete may be cynical, but at least he is honest to himself. You're a rank hypocrite, in my book.
You assume that there are wedding vows involved, there may not have been any, one CAN get married by a clerk at the County Court.
Two, you are using the word "violate" which implies that one of the spouses is either unaware, or opposed to the actions, they do not seem to be.
And you assume that I am attacking a Christian marriage, I am not attacking anything.
If anything, the attacks come from "good Christian folks" who have yet to offer a prayer for a little lost girl, or a prayer that these parents find salvation.
Go ahead, castr that stone, Jesus is watching, and He CAN sit in judgement.
Sneakypete was in Vietnam? Well, gee, so were a lot of us. And what does that have to do with such a poisoned outlook on life? Such a person needs help, not mere sympathy.
I will hold judgement on their parental ability until something far more than talk show and internet allegations occur. If it turns out they are involved in a lifestyle and that lifestyle directly contributed to their childs disappearance I will condemn them. For now though, I'll wait and see.
Sounds like the conversation drifted from cookies to making an appointment to meet at a bar, and maybe more...with the little girl present?
Very possibly. We don't know for sure yet just what happened. But a casual pickup or sexual liason with a total stranger would not be alien to these people.
I completely agree with you about that. Anyone who collects child pornography is very strange indeed. Allthough in all fairness, the authorities haven't given specifics on the pornography they seized. In today's world of hyper sensitivity, I think anybody that has a Sears catalog in their home with children posing in their Fruit Of The Looms runs a risk of being labeled a pedophile, sexual deviant, child pornographer etc...
I think that in this situation, the confiscated material is probably much more serious than a Sears catalog, yet the police are not very forthcoming on details on this case, so all anyone can really do is speculate.
If you'll excuse me now, I have to go get my tinfoil hat. I dont want to risk having the thought police break down my door if I accidently speculate on the evidence they have on this guy.
".......and again, just like the homosexuals (and their use of the word 'homophobia'), the pedophiles, other weirdos, and now these swingers, it's everybody else who isn't normal.
Nah, there's nothing abnormal about having sex with another man. You're "homophobic", there must be something wrong with you, not me.
Pedophiles: "Girls are sexual ripe at age 13. It's normal for me at 40 to want to have sex with her. What are you, some kind of prude or something/"
Swingers: "So what if I like to watch my wife get it from other men. It's normal, I'm a successful businessman, have lots of money.......can't be anything wrong with me!! You're sexually suppressed, what's wrong with you.
It's nonsense flying out of their mouths. So it goes.
As a society we have defined certain boundaries, one being the age of sexual consent. People are not allowed to have sex with minors because as a society, we find this to be repulsive, and have made that action illegal.
There is nothing illegal about "swinging". It does not fit in with my beliefs, but I do not impose my beliefs on others. As a matter of fact, I defend the rights of others to believe differently than I do.
All in all, regardless of the parent's acrions, the criminal here is the person who took the little girl, the parent's sexual preferences did not give him (or her) license to abduct a child.
It is not illegal to own Pit Bulls. If a child in my neighborhood is the victim of an attack by unknown dogs and I own Pit Bulls, I will expect to be questioned by authorities.
Most child abductions that are not because of custody disputes are sexually motivated. That makes any peculiar sexual behavior by the parents quite germane to the investigation.
This was a silly post. Please reread what I posted, think about what I said, and try again if you wish.
May I ask what does serving in Nam have to do with this issue??
Those who seem intent on the focus of the defense of the parent's lifestyle, to the point of saying it had nothing at all to do with the child's disappearance have are closing their eyes to a major avenue of investigation.
The most basic questions in an investigation of this type are:
Who had the opportunity? Who had the motive? What are the discrepencies in the statements given by the "witnesses"?
To me, it is more than reasonable to check out those people who were in that house around the time of the disappearance. That these persons are known to be stimulated by by non ordinary sexual activities, could be considered a possible motive. That they were in the house, gives them opportunity.
To deny that the parent's alternative lifestyle could possiblity have contributed to the disappearance of their daughter is to close off a major avenue of investigation.
In a hopefully not vain attempt to get back to the subject at hand, i.e. the missing girl, if their alarm was monitered, the monitering company will know exactly what time the alarm went off, and I'm sure they've shared that info with the police.
If we can't agree on the joys or moral degeneracy of wife-swapping, I think we can all agree that if you wake up in the middle of the night to find a door open and that your alarm was tripped, and you don't check your children (the girl being a sleepwalker, no less) to see if they're OK, that is not the most parentally responsible act, wouldn't you say? Well, you might say, this problem with the alarm was known to happen before, so the dad didn't think anything of it. Then I would say, they were irresponsible for being too lackadaisical about it to get the darn thing fixed.
Whether they were having an orgy or playing chess in their garage is immaterial to their irresponsibility for not checking on their kids.
Having said that, here are a few scenarios to kick around, ranging from the statistically and reasonably most unlikely to the most likely, based on what I've heard so far about this case:
NOT IMPOSSIBLE, BUT EXTREMELY UNLIKELY
1. Total stranger who has seen the girl before outside her home, breaks in and abducts girl.
2. Girl wanders outside on her own and gets lost/hurt/killed by accident and someone is too afraid to say anything.
3. Girl wanders outside and pedophile takes advantage of an opportunity.
4. The parents involve their children in their lifestyle and girl dies in some mysterious way and they concoct break-in story to avoid exposing their lifestyles and the lifestyles of the friends that were with them.
NOT IMPOSSIBLE, BUT MORE LIKELY (BUT NEED MORE INFO)
1. Someone who doesn't know the parents, but who is acquainted with the girl (at school, on the playground, at a friend's house--maybe teenage brother of a friend) breaks in and abducts the girl.
2. Girl died in some unfortunate childhood accident and parents concoct story out of fear of either being accused of killing her, or of having their lifestyle exposed and now it's gone too far to back out of it.
3. Swinging acquaintance has had his eye on girl for awhile and takes a bathroom break from the action and steals the little girl and hides her in the trunk of his car before joining back in the action and then leaves with the girl in his trunk.
POSSIBLE AND MORE LIKELY
1. Relative or friend of the family who is known by the whole family has had his eye on the little girl for awhile and knows when the parents' attention is diverted (but isn't involved in swinging) and takes the opportunity to break in and abduct the girl.
2. The little girl caught the eye of the neighbor when she went to sell Girl Scout cookies. He's got child porn in his house, but he's never done anything to hurt children before. He learns of the parents' lifestyle (which he himself hasn't done before) and mistakenly thinks the parents won't be so "judgemental" about his sexual fantasies. He runs into the mother on her "girl's night out", maybe gets propositioned by the mother to join in one of their parties, so he knows what is going on in the garage that night, and he likely knows that their alarm doesn't work properly and he takes advantage of both situations and breaks in and abducts girl, she dies "accidentally" and he buries her out in the desert.
Most here, that YOU claim are 'defending' a lifestyle, are instead objecting to your degenerate characterizations of others.
-- What did dons imaginings of'evil' in Petes character have to do with this thread? -- NOTHING - I defended him by mentioning his more than honorable service.
Thanks. Couldn't have said it better myself.
Actually, not. Sorry, but married couples who swap partners are not following the norms of our society. I am not talking here so much about the details of a married couple's intimacy together. But the fact that they switch partners is weird. Why marry? Why have children when you are going to expose them to such? In fact, these folks are now missing a child, possibly because people following their lifestyle had access to their home. I realize we do not know what happened to Danielle, and this could be proven to be wrong. But it still remains a possibility. And these children have continual exposure to immoral parents.
It is, and it has.
Sex with a swinger is...
Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
These girl's parents will have some answering to do at one point of another to a higher authority. So will you.
I have no problems with the police asking questions as part of their investigation. However what is being espoused here by many is not simply a matter of the investigation, but wholy condemnation based on nothing more than a talk show allegation and internet speculation... this is not acceptable or just. To this point there is not one fact offered up that they were indeed swingers, much less that their swinging (if they do) in any way shape or form contributed to their childs disappearance. I see a lot of people preaching moral authority here without any consideration of the facts of the situation. A lot of mob mentality going on, and very little christian compassion.
If this couple has an open or swinging relationship, that's their perogative. Don't have to agree with it, but not going to brand them unworthy or unfit parents simply because of it, as more than a few here have done. If they were doing things sexually or otherwise that placed their children at risk or neglect, I will damn well label them as bad parents. As of this moment though, there is nothing being offered to prove that at all.. speculation, rumor, talk show host drivel and internet chat rooms. And so far all they are even saying is that they were swingers, with of course no proof that they are, but still they will say it (and it may even be true)... as if that by default somehow automatically intertwined with their childs disappearance. Seems to me so far to be nothing more than a bunch of sensationalism that in no way helps this poor child be found.
The only people who were doing that were ones with very very few of their own... lord knows none of us want to live vicariously through Clinton, much less sexually vicariously through the man... lets face it, most of his known "conquests" weren't really the kind you wanted to see in daylight.
You do not understand this text. Did he impose a sentence on you ?
You must be rebuked when you support evil.