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Missing Danielle Parents Allegedly Swingers
Larry King Live ^ | Brenda & Damon Van Dam

Posted on 02/11/2002 5:06:42 PM PST by Petronski

Larry asked them about it just now on Larry King Live (2-11-2), and they refused to deny it.

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To: Luis Gonzalez
"So then, you believe that "sexual deviants" don't have jobs? Or are youi making the argument that no service techs are sexual deviants?"

This was a silly post. Please reread what I posted, think about what I said, and try again if you wish.

581 posted on 02/12/2002 9:10:51 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: tpaine
Good grief. YOU sense evil? You call pete a messed up convict type? -- Pete was out there in Nam, putting his life on the line while you were acting 'tough cop' in front of a bunch of losers.

May I ask what does serving in Nam have to do with this issue??

Those who seem intent on the focus of the defense of the parent's lifestyle, to the point of saying it had nothing at all to do with the child's disappearance have are closing their eyes to a major avenue of investigation.

The most basic questions in an investigation of this type are:

Who had the opportunity? Who had the motive? What are the discrepencies in the statements given by the "witnesses"?

To me, it is more than reasonable to check out those people who were in that house around the time of the disappearance. That these persons are known to be stimulated by by non ordinary sexual activities, could be considered a possible motive. That they were in the house, gives them opportunity.

To deny that the parent's alternative lifestyle could possiblity have contributed to the disappearance of their daughter is to close off a major avenue of investigation.

582 posted on 02/12/2002 9:11:30 AM PST by Selara
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To: Ole Okie;sneakypete;Luis Gonzalez
That evidently evoked no curiosity on the part of the husband or wife. I think the first reaction of any parent would have been to see if the kids were OK.

In a hopefully not vain attempt to get back to the subject at hand, i.e. the missing girl, if their alarm was monitered, the monitering company will know exactly what time the alarm went off, and I'm sure they've shared that info with the police.

If we can't agree on the joys or moral degeneracy of wife-swapping, I think we can all agree that if you wake up in the middle of the night to find a door open and that your alarm was tripped, and you don't check your children (the girl being a sleepwalker, no less) to see if they're OK, that is not the most parentally responsible act, wouldn't you say? Well, you might say, this problem with the alarm was known to happen before, so the dad didn't think anything of it. Then I would say, they were irresponsible for being too lackadaisical about it to get the darn thing fixed.

Whether they were having an orgy or playing chess in their garage is immaterial to their irresponsibility for not checking on their kids.

Having said that, here are a few scenarios to kick around, ranging from the statistically and reasonably most unlikely to the most likely, based on what I've heard so far about this case:

1. Total stranger who has seen the girl before outside her home, breaks in and abducts girl.
2. Girl wanders outside on her own and gets lost/hurt/killed by accident and someone is too afraid to say anything.
3. Girl wanders outside and pedophile takes advantage of an opportunity.
4. The parents involve their children in their lifestyle and girl dies in some mysterious way and they concoct break-in story to avoid exposing their lifestyles and the lifestyles of the friends that were with them.

1. Someone who doesn't know the parents, but who is acquainted with the girl (at school, on the playground, at a friend's house--maybe teenage brother of a friend) breaks in and abducts the girl.
2. Girl died in some unfortunate childhood accident and parents concoct story out of fear of either being accused of killing her, or of having their lifestyle exposed and now it's gone too far to back out of it.
3. Swinging acquaintance has had his eye on girl for awhile and takes a bathroom break from the action and steals the little girl and hides her in the trunk of his car before joining back in the action and then leaves with the girl in his trunk.

1. Relative or friend of the family who is known by the whole family has had his eye on the little girl for awhile and knows when the parents' attention is diverted (but isn't involved in swinging) and takes the opportunity to break in and abduct the girl.
2. The little girl caught the eye of the neighbor when she went to sell Girl Scout cookies. He's got child porn in his house, but he's never done anything to hurt children before. He learns of the parents' lifestyle (which he himself hasn't done before) and mistakenly thinks the parents won't be so "judgemental" about his sexual fantasies. He runs into the mother on her "girl's night out", maybe gets propositioned by the mother to join in one of their parties, so he knows what is going on in the garage that night, and he likely knows that their alarm doesn't work properly and he takes advantage of both situations and breaks in and abducts girl, she dies "accidentally" and he buries her out in the desert.

583 posted on 02/12/2002 9:12:05 AM PST by wimpycat
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To: Petronski
I agree. The fact that the alarm went off, the sliding door was standing open, and dear old dad didn't bother to check on the kids seems to be a huge red light to me.
584 posted on 02/12/2002 9:30:08 AM PST by MEGoody
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To: Don Myers; selara
It has been interesting watching how this thread has gone. It has gone from a post about a missing seven year old girl to people either condemning or defending a degenerate lifestyle. This thread shows the depth of corruptness in our society.

Most here, that YOU claim are 'defending' a lifestyle, are instead objecting to your degenerate characterizations of others.

-- What did dons imaginings of'evil' in Petes character have to do with this thread? -- NOTHING - I defended him by mentioning his more than honorable service.

585 posted on 02/12/2002 9:34:37 AM PST by tpaine
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To: HamiltonJay
I will hold judgement on their parental ability until something far more than talk show and internet allegations occur. If it turns out they are involved in a lifestyle and that lifestyle directly contributed to their childs disappearance I will condemn them. For now though, I'll wait and see.

Thanks. Couldn't have said it better myself.

586 posted on 02/12/2002 9:35:52 AM PST by murdoog
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To: Luis Gonzalez
if we discuss the intimate details of your lovemaking, and your sexual history, I can find plenty of people that may find things that you consider normal to be "perverted"

Actually, not. Sorry, but married couples who swap partners are not following the norms of our society. I am not talking here so much about the details of a married couple's intimacy together. But the fact that they switch partners is weird. Why marry? Why have children when you are going to expose them to such? In fact, these folks are now missing a child, possibly because people following their lifestyle had access to their home. I realize we do not know what happened to Danielle, and this could be proven to be wrong. But it still remains a possibility. And these children have continual exposure to immoral parents.

587 posted on 02/12/2002 9:45:17 AM PST by twigs
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To: jackbill
I have to agree with most here that something is really fishy about this. Who does not double check on thier kids in the night? I know I do if I get up for anything else and certainly I would have if there was an intruder alert or a door unlocked even(even if I had left it unlocked and overlooked it before bed). I don't know about anyone else, but I brought my daughter and son into our bed when I first read about this story more in depth a few nights ago. I just could not get to sleep without them nearby and within reach. They are preschool/toddler age, but even if they were older, I probably would have had to camp out in thier rooms to be able to sleep that night. Saying all that, I just can't understand how someone could not check on thier children for nearly 12 hours, particularly when something suspicious has happened during the night. Something doesn't add up.
588 posted on 02/12/2002 10:10:19 AM PST by glory
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To: tpaine;sneakypete
For the record, Pete was putting his life on the line in 'Nam while I was still in diapers, most likely, but that's beside the point. I don't think he's evil; I just think he's taking the role of Devil's Advocate a little too far and too seriously. I don't care if he's Chesty Puller or Sergeant York, he's got a huge chip on his shoulder where this wife-swapping thing is concerned, and man-woman relations in general. I'm personally willing to call a truce if he is. I would share a foxhole with him, but I wouldn't read his "advice to the lovelorn" column. :-)
589 posted on 02/12/2002 10:19:28 AM PST by wimpycat
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To: Luis Gonzalez
When the guy comes from Sears, my kids aren't likely asleep in their rooms, I wouldn't be off in some other room in an orgy ignoring that he was going into their bedrooms. He certainly would not have access to the kids even if he was perfectly on the up and up. And if one of my kids was missing when the repairman left, I'd know instantly and give the police exact details and the complete truth. The parents were not completely honest about who and what was in their home at their invitation and withholding facts might have cost their child's life. We all have priorities and theirs isn't their children.
590 posted on 02/12/2002 10:39:19 AM PST by FITZ
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To: VA Advogado
Swinging. I thought that was a left over fetish from the 1970s. Gone the way of the leisure suit.

It is, and it has.

591 posted on 02/12/2002 10:39:39 AM PST by Petronski
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To: Luis Gonzalez
If the parents had had any concern for their children's well being, they could have had their bar friends meet them at a motel. They picked up a Mr. Goodbar it seems and exposed their children to him and now most likely have a dead child for it.
592 posted on 02/12/2002 10:41:10 AM PST by FITZ
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To: sneakypete
I think it's pretty interesting that you automatically equate a woman having sex to "whoring herself out". You think sex is dirty,don't you?

Sex with a swinger is...

593 posted on 02/12/2002 10:44:59 AM PST by Petronski
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To: murdoog
Well, it appears that their sexual habits may have been contributory to what happened to the child. This is another example of how our society has been corrupted by the liberals. "It's only about sex" is just as not applicable here as with X42's fiascos. It all about our society and its moral structure. There are consequences for ignoring the rules. The reason they have become rules is because the consequences of certain actions have been observed over a couple of thousand years and people say "oh, that type of behaviour brings bad consequences, let's make a rule that people don't do that". These days though, we "question authority" without researching where that authority developed its rules from.
594 posted on 02/12/2002 10:52:21 AM PST by harrym
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To: harrym
No matter how fun it might be or pleasurable or exciting, sex with people who don't know well can never be made safe. It doesn't matter if you're a streetwalker, a gay man leaving a bar with Jeffrey Dahmer, a woman getting picked up in a bar, or a nice couple wanting an orgy while their kids are asleep, it's not and cannot be made safe.
595 posted on 02/12/2002 11:01:56 AM PST by FITZ
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To: He Rides A White Horse
After reading all your responses, I have only one thing left to say to you.

Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

These girl's parents will have some answering to do at one point of another to a higher authority. So will you.

597 posted on 02/12/2002 11:14:12 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: zevonfan
Most child abductions that are not because of custody disputes are sexually motivated. That makes any peculiar sexual behavior by the parents quite germane to the investigation.

I have no problems with the police asking questions as part of their investigation. However what is being espoused here by many is not simply a matter of the investigation, but wholy condemnation based on nothing more than a talk show allegation and internet speculation... this is not acceptable or just. To this point there is not one fact offered up that they were indeed swingers, much less that their swinging (if they do) in any way shape or form contributed to their childs disappearance. I see a lot of people preaching moral authority here without any consideration of the facts of the situation. A lot of mob mentality going on, and very little christian compassion.

If this couple has an open or swinging relationship, that's their perogative. Don't have to agree with it, but not going to brand them unworthy or unfit parents simply because of it, as more than a few here have done. If they were doing things sexually or otherwise that placed their children at risk or neglect, I will damn well label them as bad parents. As of this moment though, there is nothing being offered to prove that at all.. speculation, rumor, talk show host drivel and internet chat rooms. And so far all they are even saying is that they were swingers, with of course no proof that they are, but still they will say it (and it may even be true)... as if that by default somehow automatically intertwined with their childs disappearance. Seems to me so far to be nothing more than a bunch of sensationalism that in no way helps this poor child be found.

598 posted on 02/12/2002 11:14:27 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Don Myers
Many, many people admire him for his sexual "victories."

The only people who were doing that were ones with very very few of their own... lord knows none of us want to live vicariously through Clinton, much less sexually vicariously through the man... lets face it, most of his known "conquests" weren't really the kind you wanted to see in daylight.

599 posted on 02/12/2002 11:16:25 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Judge not, that ye be not judged.

You do not understand this text. Did he impose a sentence on you ?

You must be rebuked when you support evil.

600 posted on 02/12/2002 11:19:03 AM PST by a_witness
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