[The Magical Mischief Tour]

Would it not be sad and unnerving, if the Soviets had indeed rescued people from that plane crash, only to inprison them for live with no outside communications whatsoever in some godforsaken pit in Northern Siberia?

Is that beyond thought? Or just tin-foil-hat stuff?

I wonder what happened to all the bodies? I had no idea that so few were recovered...

[DoughtyOne]

Interesting post.

[KC_Conspirator]

This is just tin foil hat stuff. I don't believe that the Soviets missile missed and that KAL 007 landed quitely off Sakhalin Island and they took survivors. Our intelligence was too good to miss that one.

[Orangedog]

I'd say that it would be pretty hard for anyone to survive the crash. But if anyone did, they would probably meet the same fate that some of our POW/MIA's taken from the Korean and Vietnam wars. I have heard reports that some of them ended up in the Soviet Union at some point after being captured.

[ppaul]

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[lilylangtree]

Enlightening. I didn't know there was such a mystery. Wonder if the Soviets recovered some that were alive but killed them instead to prevent anyone talking. What a sad situation to think the Soviets were quite capable of carrying out such a heinous crime.

[Redcloak]

As I recall, baggage and wreckage washed ashore on Hokkaido for weeks afterward. This contradicts the author's statement that no baggage or wreckage was recovered.

[twigs]

At the time, my boss assured me that the aircraft was shot down b/c the GA Congressman was carrying a list of active American communists--those in government?--who were members of the communist party. That was at a time when it would have meant something. Ordinarily, I would have dismissed his statement, but he was always a reasonable, judicious man who did not make such statements out of the blue. He also had an uncle who had previously worked with Ronald Reagan fighting communism in Hollywood when he was president of the Screen Actors Guild. I can't verify any of what he said, but he seemed to have aa inside track.

[Orangedog]

Is that beyond thought? Or just tin-foil-hat stuff?

I'm pretty sure that, not too many years ago, one would have been accused of being part of the tin-foil-hat brigade if they believed in stories of the government tesing was conducting experiments in the 1950's on unwitting civilians with radioactive material. Or that experiments with LSD were being conducted by the millitary on our enlisted men. Oh, wait. Those things DID happen. Now is it likely that the UN has set up concentration camps and spies on us with black helicopters? Not likely. Governments around the world some pretty kooky and some things that are just down-right evil. Flip a coin. Chances are probably 50-50 that there is something to this KAL 007 thing.

[SMEDLEYBUTLER]

KAL 007

[AmericanInTokyo]

pretty much tin foil hat stuff.

read the book and also review of it in Japanese. theory is very very far stretched, within opinions here. the flight went down not that far from Japan w/a number of Japanese aboard.....

[ChinaThreat]

This was an unfortunate incident for those involved and their families irregardless of what happened to the passengers. This incident was a boom for anti-communist propoganda.

However, when Reagan announced to the world that we had proof, as in radio recordings, it costs all those poor bastards in signal intellegence alot of hard work because the soviets immediately changed all their encryption algorythms. We had busted their codes and were listening in from Alaska and points throughout the western pacific. As soon as Reagan let the world know we had recordings, the ruskies knew we had busted their codes. It took a lot of hard work to bust those codes and this caused a lot of unhapiness in millitary intellegence circles.

[Free the USA]

FYI

[conway]

Congressman McDonald was a John Bircher who, along withn Congressman Jim Ryan (Gunned down in the Jim Jones Guyana debacle), wanted to do away with the C.I.A. McDonald was replaced by Newt Ginrich in the house.

Please pass the tin foil to the right Dutchie.

[Scholastic]

THank you very much. THis is a very important issue.

[DTA]

Magic, more question from tin-foil brigade:

1.What was the reason for KAL 007 being delayed in Anchorage?
Was KAL 007 intrusion into Soviet airspace synchronized with Shuttle orbiting above and recording Soviet RADAR response? Yes or no? Can someone provide position of shuttle at the time KAL 007 was shot down to dispel this myth or confirm it as fact?

2. Some sources say there was a dogfight between U.S. and Soviet jets after KAL 007 was shot down. Is it true? Were there any USAF/USN "training accidents" involving jet crews soon afterward?

There could be a lot of reasons for both Ruskies and Americans keeping mum.

[haole]

This reminds us of what really did cause TWA800 to go down. The SU-27 air-to-air missiles have much larger warheads than the MPATS / Stinger "beer-can" warheads, and they were not enough to bring down the '47.

To do that much damage, a larger surface-to-air missile, probably from a boat or ship would be needed.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

"I wonder what happened to all the bodies?"

Crab food.

[goodell70]

"The New American" (TNA) magazine (goes by that name on the web) had a series of articles on this that can be studied or downloaded. (After reaching the site, search under "KAL007".) I think that these articles may even be better informed that the Schlossberg book. The contention of the TNA author is that the airplane never went into the ocean. (Kind of like the Navy's four engine P2 that made an unauthorized landing at a Communist Chinese airbase several months ago, after colliding with a Chinese fighter jet.) The landing lights of the nearby Sakalinka airport were on and so it does not make sense that the pilots would risk ditching the jumbo jet in the water when they could just land the airplane. Note also that an FAA agent originally announced as a "confirmed FAA report" that the airplane landed at the airbase, based on tracking by Japanese military ("Self Defense") radar. Readers Digest (Dec 93) ran an article on this, raising questions about the fact that this is the only airliner in history that simply "disappeared." The reason the Russians shot the airplane down (never intending for it to be able to make an emergency landing) was because Congressman Lawrence McDonald was aboard. Everyone who knew of McDonald also realized his days were probably "numbered." This was because he was promoting the educational documentary videos "The Subversion Factor" and "No PLace to Hide," which establish, among other things, that international terrorism (even Islamic terrorism, the kind behind the tragedies of Sept 11) is being organized out of Moscow. These videos are also available at The New American magazine web site. Russia put on a big show of searching for the wreckage in the ocean - one that went on for months, but what really happened is sort of obvious. The airbase commander had no idea that the jumbo jet had been deliberately shot down when he announced that the passengers were safe. The Russians were not about to give up McDonald, and so they simply "changed the story." Israeli author Avrim Shifrin (former Russian Army officer who had to do several years "time" in the Russian penal system after applying for permission to emigrate to Israel), who wrote the Bantam "Encyclopedia" classic on the prison system in Russia, reported that his contacts said the Russians even had a U.S. Congressman in Lubyanka Psycho prison in Moscow. There is much more to all of this. Please check out The New American. If you are intimidated by the words "John Birch Society," just realize that there are a lot of "know-it-all" people in the liberal media who seriously mean for you to be intimidated -- very intimidated. Don't be surprised if people like that even post messages here. They do not want you exposed to this kind of information, no matter that it is factual and that it it is related to the safety and future well-being of America.

[Mulder]

61 American citizens were aboard the flight, including Congressman Larry McDonald (D-GA), nationally known for his anti-communist views.

Wasn't McDonald considering a Presidential run in his future?

[Harrison Bergeron]

"Boeing says that it could have remained afloat for an hour if the landing was soft."

Planes with missile damage tend not to float in accordance with the manufacturers suggested TTSB (Time to Sink to Bottom).