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Explorer From China Who 'Beat Columbus To America'
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 3-4-2002 | Elizabeth Grice

Posted on 03/04/2002 3:24:49 PM PST by blam

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To: crystalk
The plot thickens. Maybe Luzia was on that first boat. The First Chinese Were Black
81 posted on 03/05/2002 1:09:51 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Look at the data. That reconstruction is Afro-friendly and in fact she was of the same race as the indians in north america and of whoever came to S America 39000 yrs ago and is still there.
83 posted on 03/05/2002 1:40:08 PM PST by crystalk
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To: blam
Now you may not believe this, but a strong case can be made that the Chinese ( or some other mainland Asian group) established a colony on the Western Mexican coast prior to 1400 A.D. Many artifacts have been found. Also, many every day practices used by the Chinese have been found to be incorporated into the Indian culture there at the time.

Just another fun fact to play with.

84 posted on 03/05/2002 1:54:55 PM PST by Khurkris
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"Now you may not believe this, but a strong case can be made that the Chinese ( or some other mainland Asian group) established a colony on the Western Mexican coast prior to 1400 A.D. Many artifacts have been found. Also, many every day practices used by the Chinese have been found to be incorporated into the Indian culture there at the time."

I've read about that. The evidence is strong enough to believe also.

85 posted on 03/05/2002 1:59:33 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Now you may not believe this, but a strong case can be made that the Chinese ( or some other mainland Asian group) established a colony on the Western Mexican coast prior to 1400 A.D. Many artifacts have been found. Also, many every day practices used by the Chinese have been found to be incorporated into the Indian culture there at the time.

Just another fun fact to play with.

86 posted on 03/05/2002 2:03:57 PM PST by Khurkris
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Gods, Graves, Glyphs.
87 posted on 03/06/2002 5:20:06 PM PST by blam
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"Gods, Graves, Glyphs"
88 posted on 03/07/2002 7:47:58 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Any idea what he used to determine longitude?
89 posted on 03/07/2002 8:01:19 PM PST by d4now
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To: blam
The origins of the Olmec civilization is one of the most interesting mysteries of ancient America.
In particular, those gigantic stone heads that were dug up.
90 posted on 03/07/2002 8:15:21 PM PST by StormEye
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Olmec Head 1-S

91 posted on 03/07/2002 8:25:15 PM PST by blam
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To: blam;Gods, Graves, Glyphs;
Fascinating as always!

To find all articles tagged or indexed using 'Gods, Graves, Glyphs'

Click here: 'Gods, Graves, Glyphs'

92 posted on 03/07/2002 8:36:05 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: colorado tanker
What Columbus did not know was how far Europe was from Asia going west from Europe. Had Zheng cirumnavigated the globe, the Chinese would have known that.

The size of the Earth was computed to reasonable accuracy around 250BC by Eratosthenes. That should have given him some kind of clue.

93 posted on 03/07/2002 8:51:21 PM PST by altair
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To: max61
Was America A Phoenician Colony?
94 posted on 03/07/2002 9:03:45 PM PST by blam
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To: JenB
Ancient Site In Newfoundland Offers Clues To Vikings In America
95 posted on 03/07/2002 9:08:06 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Did Europeans discover China?
97 posted on 03/16/2002 5:51:01 AM PST by fnord
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To: fnord
Thanks. I have a book on the mummies. It is, "The Mummies Of Urumchi." A better one on the subject is "The Tarim Basin Mummies, by Victor Mier.
98 posted on 03/16/2002 8:36:35 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
Bump ! Thanks.

99 posted on 08/11/2002 5:58:02 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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2,500 Years Before Columbus
by Patrick Huyghe
[W]hen the last Shang king was defeated and killed by rivals in 1122 B.C., his loyalists were forced to flee to the "East Ocean" or Pacific, notes Xu in his new book, Origin of the Olmec Civilization (University of Central Oklahoma Press, 1996)... Numerous notable Chinese scholars have confirmed Xu's readings of the Olmec inscriptions, including Han Ping Chen, a scholar of ancient Chinese from the Historical Research Institute at the China Social Science Academy. After examining 146 characters and symbols from the Olmec culture, Chen reported: "These symbols, if found or excavated in China (except rock art and carving), would certainly be regarded as prehistoric Chinese characters or symbols. Of 146 symbols, many are 100 percent identical to ancient Chinese characters. Some, I am afraid, can be easily recognized by Chinese first graders in elementary schools..." ...William Boltz of the University of Washington and Robert Bagley of Princeton dismissed as "rubbish" the notion that the characters could be Chinese. The criticism infuriates Xu -- and rightly so, we might add. "Most experts in Olmec studies do not have any idea about ancient Chinese writings and Asian cultures or tradition," says Xu, who was educated in both China and the United States. "How on Earth could they comment on top Chinese scholars reading Chinese as 'rubbish'?"
Chinatown, 1000 B.C.
by Jocelyn Selim
Mike Xu, a linguist at Texas Christian University... has spent years analyzing jade, stone, and pottery relics from the Olmec, an ancient people that inhabited the American Southwest and Central America 3,000 years ago. He was struck by how closely the symbols on the artifacts resembled Chinese inscriptions from the Shang dynasty in China. "There are hundreds of these symbols that occur again and again, throughout the entire Olmec territory," Xu says. The Shang writings date from 1600 to 1100 b.c. Traces of the Olmec civilization abruptly appear during this span, around 1200 to 1100 B.C. Olmec and Shang artistic styles look much alike, and the two cultures followed related religious practices. For instance, both used cinnabar, a red pigment, to decorate ceremonial objects, and both put jade beads in the mouths of the dead to ward off evil. "The similarities are just too striking to be a coincidence," he says.
A tale of two cultures
by Charles Fenyvesi
The Smithsonian's Meggers says that Chen's analysis of the colors "makes sense. But his reading of the text is the clincher. Writing systems are too arbitrary and complex. They cannot be independently reinvented."
The Olmec and the Shang
by Claire Liu
tr. by Robert Taylor
Last year, in a book entitled Origin of the Olmec Civilization, Professor Mike Xu, a Chinese who teaches in the foreign languages department at the University of Central Oklahoma, proposed a hypothesis which aroused a storm of controversy in archeological circles. In Xu's view, the first complex culture in Mesoamerica may have come into existence with the help of a group of Chinese who fled across the seas as refugees at the end of the Shang dynasty. The Olmec civilization arose around 1200 BC, which coincides with the time when King Wu of Zhou attacked and defeated King Zhou, the last Shang ruler, bringing his dynasty to a close.
Origin of the Olmec civilization Origin of the Olmec civilization
by H. Mike Xu
Olmec Riddle: An Inquiry into the Origin of Pre-Columbian Civilization Olmec Riddle:
An Inquiry into the Origin
of Pre-Columbian Civilization

by James Gruener


100 posted on 07/21/2004 11:21:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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