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BAXTER AUTOPSY POINTS TO MURDER
WhatReallyHappened ^ | 3- '02 | David Martin

Posted on 03/07/2002 5:33:51 AM PST by rdavis84

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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
From #7 ---

"If in fact Baxter shot himself, and it's looking like a slim chance of that, he sure picked a Stupid Load to do it with. Those rounds use something like #9 birdshot and might have blended his brain from a Contact Shot, but from a couple of feet away it would be extremely iffy.

Most of them I've shot would not break a coke bottle from two feet, but they will mess up a snake.

I'd say it was left obvious on purpose (a message) that he was offed. (Don't Rat on the Plan!) Ratshot, it fits! They're cute with their innuendo.

21 posted on 03/07/2002 6:43:16 AM PST by rdavis84
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To: rdavis84
Is WhatReallyHappened.com Rivero's? Didn't know that.

Yes, it's Rivero's website.

Fruitcake Central.

22 posted on 03/07/2002 6:44:06 AM PST by sinkspur
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To: rdavis84
"Most of them I've shot would not break a coke bottle from two feet, but they will mess up a snake.

You got that right. I've shot these in various calibers -- even made my own with CCI's shot cannisters. They have a very narrow and specific envelope of performance.

If this man was killed with a single shot, he was killed by someone who knew exactly what he was doing.

23 posted on 03/07/2002 6:51:28 AM PST by Crowcreek
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To: rdavis84; sinkspur; Tennessee Bob; Politically Correct; Poohbah; aculeus; Orual
Unlike most of what comes from Rivero's site, this one IMHO is worth open-minded consideration. Maybe suicide (but what an unusual choice of ammo), maybe murder (but also a bizarre choice, because likely only to wound unless the gun is held very close). Ratshot as a message is interesting.

I'd like to see stats on murder/suicide with similar ammunition. Anyone?

24 posted on 03/07/2002 6:52:05 AM PST by dighton
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To: sinkspur
Yep ol' DC Dave the economist from Puerto Rico

Some know David Martin as the poet "DC Dave", or as the author of "The New Moral Order". Most of his past writing, however, is on Puerto Rico and its economy. From 1978 to early this year, Dr. Martin was an economist for the government of Puerto Rico.

The last 14 of those years were in Washington, D.C., a city where crime is a way of life. He has written a series of historical articles relating to the strange death of Vincent Foster.

Dr. Martin has a Ph.D. in economic history from the University of North Carolina. "I was two years ahead of Vince Foster at Davidson," Martin notes, "but remember him only as an intramural basketball opponent. We are about the same height."

25 posted on 03/07/2002 6:52:46 AM PST by deport
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To: rdavis84
I knew it, Vince Foster did it.
26 posted on 03/07/2002 6:54:30 AM PST by skateman
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To: dighton; all
One other thing: assuming that the revolver was Mr. Baxter's, how did it get into the (supposed) murderer's hands?
27 posted on 03/07/2002 6:59:30 AM PST by dighton
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To: Crowcreek
"You got that right. I've shot these in various calibers -- even made my own with CCI's shot cannisters. They have a very narrow and specific envelope of performance."

Back in the discussions about "Ron Browns Hole in the Haid" I'd offered a "theoretical" round/load that could give the results his head showed. Doesn't work in this case but I'll throw it out again for reflection.

Powdered Lead Encapsulated in a teflon or even acrylic shell(bullet equivalent) would allow normal function of an Auto, would give the "starburst effect" seen in an x-ray, would leave a precise entry hole, the plastic/teflon would not show on an x-ray. And it would be Formidable, not like Loose Shot in these Snake Rounds.

28 posted on 03/07/2002 7:02:30 AM PST by rdavis84
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
Has anyone asked the question "Why the He!! would a hit man use rat shot?"

From the posted article:

"In addition, rat shot is the perfect murder ammunition, because unlike a solid bullet, there is no ballistics test that can match rat shot or snake shot to the gun that fired it."

29 posted on 03/07/2002 7:04:49 AM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: rdavis84
I'd say it was left obvious on purpose (a message) that he was offed. (Don't Rat on the Plan!) Ratshot, it fits! They're cute with their innuendo.

Only to those who have a lot of firearms-related knowledge--by no means a certainty with the target population of Enron executives--and that they would draw the same conclusion as you do from a somewhat ambiguous message.

If they wanted to send a message, cutting the decedent's tongue out or giving him a Colombian Necktie would be much more unambiguous.

30 posted on 03/07/2002 7:05:33 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: Fred Mertz
"In addition, rat shot is the perfect murder ammunition, because unlike a solid bullet, there is no ballistics test that can match rat shot or snake shot to the gun that fired it."

This guy's forensics knowledge is SO 1955...nowadays, forensics can match the shot pattern to the weapon.

31 posted on 03/07/2002 7:07:56 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
"If they wanted to send a message, cutting the decedent's tongue out or giving him a Colombian Necktie would be much more unambiguous."

I LIKE THAT!! Much more effective.

But Death Works about anyway you do it, if the guy's at risk of spilling his guts..... ooops.... I mean .... Talking to an Open Hearing.

32 posted on 03/07/2002 7:11:18 AM PST by rdavis84
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The problem here is simple: let us assume that this was a hit, intended to enforce omerta.

Making it look like a suicide very likely will defeat the purpose of enforcing omerta, because the target audience might not get the hint.

I'm not saying it WAS a suicide; I'm just wondering that, if it was a murder, what the motive was. The method seems a little too ambiguous for enforcing omerta.

Maybe this guy was the only guy who knew the sordid details...

33 posted on 03/07/2002 7:16:58 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah; Mancini
Flagged my Insider on this.

"enforce omerta" ------ Isn't that mostly a Mafia thing/code? Mafia with a capital "M" not the wannabe's.

This possible Murder/Silencing vs. Suicide/Conscience seems more like a "Business Decision" to me. Cut the Chain at a crucial point, plus let others speculate about whether it was or wasn't either one; murder or suicide.

34 posted on 03/07/2002 7:28:52 AM PST by rdavis84
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"There is no gunpowder tattooing visible surrounding the entrance wound described above. There is no apparent soot deposition on the external surface of the wound".
Seems like detail to me.

Makes it a contact wound, all the powder residue is inside.
Fits perfectly with suicide.
Throughly shoots (pun alert) hole in the "shot from a distance allowing shot to spread" theory.

35 posted on 03/07/2002 7:39:32 AM PST by Politically Correct
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To: rdavis84
I'm describing a concept, not a concrete whodunit. "Omerta" is a fine description for ANY criminal conspiracy's efforts to keep people from blabbing...

As for the murder/silencing vs. suicide/conscience issue...if it's intended to keep people at Enron from cutting a deal, I'm not sure it would work--some of these Enron folks appear to be as smart as a box of rocks...

36 posted on 03/07/2002 7:52:26 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: rdavis84
OHHHH it's an enron story!!

for a moment there I thought the bitchy lady from the meow mix commercials finally offed the chubby guy's cat!

God Save America (Please)

37 posted on 03/07/2002 7:57:07 AM PST by John O
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To: dighton
Suicide fits the location of the body. Baxter, father and husband, wanted to avoid having his family discover it.
38 posted on 03/07/2002 8:00:05 AM PST by aculeus
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To: rdavis84
Isn't that mostly a Mafia thing/code?

I'd tell ya, but then I'd have to kill ya.

I like the idea of it being a message. They walked the fine line between having it look like a suicide and sending a loud-and-clear message to those in the know who needed to be reminded to shut up. They don't even care if people think it's a murder, help on the inside will label it a suicide, so it's a suicide and that's it.
No case, no questions, no justice.

39 posted on 03/07/2002 8:51:58 AM PST by mancini
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To: aculeus;rdavis84
Suicide fits the location of the body.

But what do we make of the Ambien in the system? For all we know, this guy was in his bed, made to put something on, escorted out to his car and brought off site. I am not clear on where the wife was during this period. Are either of you?

40 posted on 03/07/2002 8:56:00 AM PST by mancini
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