Do you know a former college liberal?

The Arrakis Street Journal | March 9, 2001 | Paul Atreides

[Shooter 2.5]

But what discipline does she shoot where she gained the Expert rating?

[Concentrate]

Isn't that just precious? Now she is poisoning the intellectual well at OUR expense.

There are SO many like that. It's time to take back all of the Public Universities. A step in the right direction would be to outlaw government-employee unions. Or even to abolish the universities themselves. Let's get rid of all PELL grants and their equivalents. They are a welfare program that discourage centers of real learning, because you can't compete with "free" money.

[supercat]

"oh she will change"

Perhaps we should have an occasional thread about how to deprogram liberals; far too many people don't know how to go about it.

The key is to arrange for the liberals' icons to expose themselves as frauds. If you try to show a liberal the truth, it will raise her defenses. If the message comes from the liberals themselves, though, it will get through.

Simple example: suppose you wish to convince somebody that a particular newspaper is PC-dominated in its reporting of race. Trying to show them archives, clips, or stats from the paper won't convince them. What is far more likely to convince them is an invitation for them to conduct their own survey: in articles describing a heinous crime the race of whose perpetrator is not revealed (either in the text or a photo), in what fraction is the perpetrator black? What's the proportion in stories where race is identified?

If the person believes the newpaper is being fair, she won't mind doing the survey to prove it. When the survey does not support her notions, however, don't rub her nose in it--just let the seeds of doubt bloom on their own.

[supercat]

i will say this, though, i think those who have BEEN liberal are even more effective in arguing with/combating liberal logic, having been there and thought that themselves, don't you agree?

Yes; those who have always been conservative may be better at debating, but they're not likely to be able to understand the liberal sheep psyche well enough to deprogram it.

[AlGone2001]

I may be wrong, but I think that in her former college days, Hillary was a liberal.

[JENINMO]

Well, my brother is a nuclear engineer, so that might "splain" it. He got his Masters and Phd at the University of Wisconsin - Madison, is there a more liberal place in the Midwest? He showed liberal tendencies during college, but soon saw the error of his ways. Now he's in Seattle at UW, another liberal bastion, it has to be lonely :)

[AlGone2001]

In 1988 I remember thinking it would be a great idea if we all had "free" health coverage.

I actually spoke of it with several of my military buddies. Someone a few years older (who had been on the tax roll a little longer than I) introduced me to the "ain't nuthin' free" concept. It caught on.

Although I was only 15 in 1980, I remember pulling for Ronald Reagan over my fellow Georgian, James Earl Carter.

[Paradox]

I was a flaming liberal (I actually got to heckle Jeb Bush when he came to my campus to speak, this was like 20 years ago). Click on my profile to read some of the awful details. I came from a family of liberals, and they are all liberals to this day. I was the only one to escape to conservatism, although to the credit of maybe half of them, they are "moderates" now that they have a life, and pay taxes.

[rohry]

My story is too long to recount, but go here to get a synopsis:

From Goldwater Conservative to New Left Anarcho/Socialist to Libertarian/Liberal to Conservative/Libertarian

Come to think of it...I skipped Liberalism...

Never mind...

[Righty1]

Some grow and some don't. I had an aclu lawyer who took history at UofM inform me on the Wolverine Den board that Hitler was the only 20th century dictator who forceably resettled populations. Maybe Stalin was freely elected? Possibly the lib was just being sensitive to the fact that socialist cleansing is different than the capitalist version?

[Our man in washington]

In college, I was a Marxist. I had a good friend "Steve" who also considered himself a Marxist, and we had a good time bashing Reagan and capitalism. We prided ourselves on being just about the most leftist students on a very left-wing campus

During the nineties, I went through a conversion where I realized my old beliefs were wrong. One of the main things that changed me was working for the Federal government and being involved in the Federal union. I was shocked to discover people who prided themselves on how little work they did, and how they would scream "discrimination" if anyone asked them to lift a finger. (Okay, I was young--I sure most of FR is not shocked by what I just wrote.) No matter what people's race, gender, or creed, they could invent some reason people were supposedly discriminating against them. One guy even said he was discriminated against because he wasn't balding like the executive in charge.

I then realized that lefism promotes the worst tendencies of people. Leftism promotes sloth, servitude, and irresponsibility.

After I switched sides, A lot of my old friends condemned me. I was scared to tell Steve that I had gone to the other side.

Finally I screwed up my courage and told him. I expected a condemnation.

"I've become a conservative too." he replied. "I was a bit nervous about telling you."

So there is hope.

[Concentrate]

The key is to arrange for the liberals' icons to expose themselves as frauds.

Revenge is so sweet.

[meadsjn]

It's a mental illness. I've seen a few liberals shocked into reality by a mugging, burglary, etc., but after a few days the fog of marxist insanity creeps back in, and they are once again sedated with utopian fantacies. God bless the few who pull themselves out of it, for it is truly a miracle.

[Concentrate]

Leftism promotes sloth, servitude, and irresponsibility.

I'll drink to that!

[Concentrate]

bttt.

[dagny taggert]

Me, too. In college, I thought that if only people were different than they are, that communism would be grand. Finally at 25 I realized that people are not, and will never be, different than they are.

Except that I don't qualify on the second point. I didn't become conservative, I became libertarian, because there are some of those ideals that I continue to hold onto. I think that, by and large, people are basically good. You just have to watch out for the exceptions.

[Mr. Lucky]

I'm not sure I understand your question. NRA matches are at 25 & 50 yds. She's dynamite in slow fire at 25 yds and falls off considerably at 50. Then again, I suspect that most home defense is at 1, maybe 2, yards.

[stands2reason]

Well, I dropped out of college, but I was definitely liberal. I despised Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh, was a total feminist, anti-rich, pro-abortion, etc. I also married a liberal (he's getting better; a couple of months ago he said, "I don't think I'm that liberal anymore." He adores the Bushes, too!) BUT I voted for a Republican president for the first time in 2000. I've been a conservative for almost 4 years now.

[stands2reason]

I've noticed liberals also have no idea what "extreme right" is.. any conservative opinion is considered "extreme." While we know exactly who the extreme liberals are---the communists!

[stands2reason]

O......M......G.......

ding-ding-ding!!!

WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!