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TWA Flight 800 - Are There 100+ Witness Interviews That Haven't Been Made Public?
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Posted on 03/11/2002 4:40:12 PM PST by Asmodeus

TWA Flight 800 - Are There 100+ Eyewitness Reports That Have Never Been Made Public?

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DOWNING OF TWA FLIGHT 800
Is there proof of missile?
Investigator releases new evidence
Tuesday April 27, 1999

This is the first of a three-part series on the downing of TWA Flight 800.
By David M. Bresnahan
© 1999 WorldNetDaily.com

A former naval officer says the Clinton administration has evidence to prove TWA Flight 800 was downed by a missile and is doing all it can to cover it up.
[excerpts][emphasis added]
More than 100 eyewitnesses interviewed by the FBI all describe seeing a missile, says retired Navy Cmdr. William S. Donaldson III, a former military crash investigator, trained flight controller and expert investigator.

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For the past two years Donaldson has headed up a private investigation of the controversial crash. He is now convinced a missile brought down TWA Flight 800 causing the death of 230 people on July 17, 1996.

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During his two years of private investigation, Cmdr. Donaldson and a group of retired aviation specialists have interviewed over 100 witnesses who saw what they claim was a missile rise from the water and hit TWA Flight 800. Those witnesses were also interviewed by the FBI.

The witnesses were located in a full circle around the crash site on four aircraft, 19 boats, and 31 locations on shore. Many of the witnesses have expertise which would enable them to distinguish a missile from a burning aircraft.

"Their live testimony alone will prove the aircraft was shot down”, Donaldson told WorldNetDaily in an exclusive interview. "This is why the Justice Department has kept air crash investigators away from witnesses for two and a half years."

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He said he blames the lack of proper questions by the FBI on "lack of skill as an investigator." He said he did not believe the agents were purposely trying to cover anything up. In fact, he said some of the agents were genuinely excited about what they were being told. That enthusiasm soon died. They were told to investigate only the evidence which supported the government claim of a center wing tank explosion, not a missile, according to FBI agents who cooperated with Donaldson's investigation. [end excerpts] Click here for the entire article.

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Testimony To The Congressional Subcommittee on Aviation of Commander William S. Donaldson III, USN (ret.)
Thursday, May 6, 1999
[excerpts][emphasis added]

Mr. DUNCAN. When you have an incident like this, do you think this was some sort of terrorist group? I mean, somebody usually claims credit for something like this.

Commander DONALDSON. Yes, sir, and I think the credit was there. If you would check closely, there was an Arab newspaper in Washington and one in London that received a communique about 6 hours before 800 was shot down. It was a really weird one. They took credit for the Riyadh bombing using some new name, they always come up with a new name, which had happened in November of 1995. And then in two sentences they took a shot at President Clinton calling him silly or something.

And then they said the American people are going to be shocked at where we attack next, where and when we attack next, we are going to attack at dawn, and isn't dawn near? The airplane went down at 8:30 at night but in Mecca, it was dawn. And it was dawn the next day. That is a coded-there are people in this-I don't want to get-take too much of your time, but the bottom line is the President of the United States is the most informed person in the world. I am sitting here personally telling you that I believe that he knows things that he hasn't been honest to the American people about, about Flight 800.

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Mr. LIPINSKI. It would seem to me that if I was President of the United States and if a U.S. plane got shot down by a missile from some surrogate that was representing Iran and I had that information, based upon the history of this people in this country and the way that people react, I would certainly announce that to everyone here showing that this country is under attack, and it usually enhances the person that is in office as far as all of the public opinion polls go.

And he probably could have even gone out and shot a few more rockets into Iran that would have increased his popularity with the American people. That is the connection that I can't make. I don't know why the President of the United States would choose to cover this up in an election campaign when, it would seem to me that based upon our history, it has always been advantageous for the president of this country to be under attack during a presidential election campaign.

Commander DONALDSON. Let me make a quick analogy with Pearl Harbor. Twice as many civilians died on Flight 800 as died at Pearl Harbor when the Japanese attacked. I think the number was 111 civilians. There were almost 2,000 military or whatever.

But the point is- an attack like this is not just a normal terrorist attack. That is a major act of war. And all of a sudden you are running up a-you are getting me to speculate on what the President should or shouldn't have done. I am just telling you that I have other information that I can't talk about that I can relay to you in private.

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Mr. TRAFICANT. Let me intervene. I am not attempting to discredit you. I am just letting you know that everything that you presented to us was, in fact, investigated thoroughly.

Commander DONALDSON. And I want to say it was shared candidly, honestly; and I told you I didn't know all the facts. I didn't. You have to remember, especially when you are on the outside, you have got to fight, you have got to do everything you can to get to the facts. And in the last 3 or 4 months, the facts have been overwhelming.

I have interviewed these people on boats all the way around that engagement. I am as positive as I am taking my next breath that aircraft was engaged with a missile. It was seen by dozens of extremely credible people. [end excerpts] Click here for the entire transcript.

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Reed Irvine of Accuracy In Media was a supporter of the recently deceased Bill Donaldson [and recently targeted for a Flight 800 hoax]. Click here

Has Reed Irvine ever been provided with copies of those eyewitness interviews? If so, will he either publish them at this time or advise in AIM’s next Weekly Column where they can be examined by the public?

TWA Flight 800 - Are There 100+ Eyewitness Reports That Have Never Been Made Public?

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DOWNING OF TWA FLIGHT 800
Is there proof of missile?
Investigator releases new evidence
Tuesday April 27, 1999

This is the first of a three-part series on the downing of TWA Flight 800.
By David M. Bresnahan
© 1999 WorldNetDaily.com

A former naval officer says the Clinton administration has evidence to prove TWA Flight 800 was downed by a missile and is doing all it can to cover it up.
[excerpts][emphasis added]
More than 100 eyewitnesses interviewed by the FBI all describe seeing a missile, says retired Navy Cmdr. William S. Donaldson III, a former military crash investigator, trained flight controller and expert investigator.

_____

For the past two years Donaldson has headed up a private investigation of the controversial crash. He is now convinced a missile brought down TWA Flight 800 causing the death of 230 people on July 17, 1996.

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During his two years of private investigation, Cmdr. Donaldson and a group of retired aviation specialists have interviewed over 100 witnesses who saw what they claim was a missile rise from the water and hit TWA Flight 800. Those witnesses were also interviewed by the FBI.

The witnesses were located in a full circle around the crash site on four aircraft, 19 boats, and 31 locations on shore. Many of the witnesses have expertise which would enable them to distinguish a missile from a burning aircraft.

"Their live testimony alone will prove the aircraft was shot down”, Donaldson told WorldNetDaily in an exclusive interview. "This is why the Justice Department has kept air crash investigators away from witnesses for two and a half years."

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He said he blames the lack of proper questions by the FBI on "lack of skill as an investigator." He said he did not believe the agents were purposely trying to cover anything up. In fact, he said some of the agents were genuinely excited about what they were being told. That enthusiasm soon died. They were told to investigate only the evidence which supported the government claim of a center wing tank explosion, not a missile, according to FBI agents who cooperated with Donaldson's investigation. [end excerpts] Click here for the entire article.

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Testimony To The Congressional Subcommittee on Aviation of Commander William S. Donaldson III, USN (ret.)
Thursday, May 6, 1999
[excerpts][emphasis added]

Mr. DUNCAN. When you have an incident like this, do you think this was some sort of terrorist group? I mean, somebody usually claims credit for something like this.

Commander DONALDSON. Yes, sir, and I think the credit was there. If you would check closely, there was an Arab newspaper in Washington and one in London that received a communique about 6 hours before 800 was shot down. It was a really weird one. They took credit for the Riyadh bombing using some new name, they always come up with a new name, which had happened in November of 1995. And then in two sentences they took a shot at President Clinton calling him silly or something.

And then they said the American people are going to be shocked at where we attack next, where and when we attack next, we are going to attack at dawn, and isn't dawn near? The airplane went down at 8:30 at night but in Mecca, it was dawn. And it was dawn the next day. That is a coded-there are people in this-I don't want to get-take too much of your time, but the bottom line is the President of the United States is the most informed person in the world. I am sitting here personally telling you that I believe that he knows things that he hasn't been honest to the American people about, about Flight 800.

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Mr. LIPINSKI. It would seem to me that if I was President of the United States and if a U.S. plane got shot down by a missile from some surrogate that was representing Iran and I had that information, based upon the history of this people in this country and the way that people react, I would certainly announce that to everyone here showing that this country is under attack, and it usually enhances the person that is in office as far as all of the public opinion polls go.

And he probably could have even gone out and shot a few more rockets into Iran that would have increased his popularity with the American people. That is the connection that I can't make. I don't know why the President of the United States would choose to cover this up in an election campaign when, it would seem to me that based upon our history, it has always been advantageous for the president of this country to be under attack during a presidential election campaign.

Commander DONALDSON. Let me make a quick analogy with Pearl Harbor. Twice as many civilians died on Flight 800 as died at Pearl Harbor when the Japanese attacked. I think the number was 111 civilians. There were almost 2,000 military or whatever.

But the point is- an attack like this is not just a normal terrorist attack. That is a major act of war. And all of a sudden you are running up a-you are getting me to speculate on what the President should or shouldn't have done. I am just telling you that I have other information that I can't talk about that I can relay to you in private.

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Mr. TRAFICANT. Let me intervene. I am not attempting to discredit you. I am just letting you know that everything that you presented to us was, in fact, investigated thoroughly.

Commander DONALDSON. And I want to say it was shared candidly, honestly; and I told you I didn't know all the facts. I didn't. You have to remember, especially when you are on the outside, you have got to fight, you have got to do everything you can to get to the facts. And in the last 3 or 4 months, the facts have been overwhelming.

I have interviewed these people on boats all the way around that engagement. I am as positive as I am taking my next breath that aircraft was engaged with a missile. It was seen by dozens of extremely credible people. [end excerpts] Click here for the entire transcript.

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Reed Irvine of Accuracy In Media was a supporter of the recently deceased Bill Donaldson [and recently targeted for a Flight 800 hoax]. Click here

Has Reed Irvine ever been provided with copies of those eyewitness interviews? If so, will he either publish them at this time or advise in AIM’s next Weekly Column where they are located?


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To: Black Jade
you mean this sort of nonsense
41 posted on 03/16/2002 10:17:57 PM PST by Governor StrangeReno
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To: Asmodeus
It's funny that Asmodeus pushes the cargo door theory, the most completely disproven theory. The cargo door hinges were still attached! Amazing that anyone could even give it a second thought. You have to have more than a few loose screws to believe the cargo door "theory."

Mike Rivero has completely debunked the cargo door speculation.

42 posted on 03/17/2002 1:07:29 PM PST by VectoRama
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To: VectoRama; mafree; Rokke
1. There is zero eyewitness support for any of the various missile(s) shootdown allegations. If you disagree, see if you can provide the readers with anything remotely resembling a meaningful rebuttal to this.

2. After nearly 6 years of effort, nobody has been able to publicly present one atom of physical evidence that the 747 was a missile(s) "shootdown" or a bomb victim nor has anybody been able to present anything remotely resembling a meaningful rebuttal to this.

P. S. The reference source documentation for #1 is also applicable to the Gas Burp Theory, the Meteor Theory and John Barry Smith’s presentation of his Cargo Door Theory.

43 posted on 03/17/2002 6:52:51 PM PST by Asmodeus
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To: Black Jade
Since you must be an expert, could you enlighten the masses as to exactly how the military would respond to a missile shot from an unknown source against an airborne target. Would all the ships within a certain distance rush to the unknown point of origin to the missile shot? Would aircraft immediately flock to the airspace that random but lethal missiles where flying around in? There must be some procedures in place, because so many conspiracy nuts use "the dog didn't bark" as definitive proof that the Navy must have been involved. So what are they?
44 posted on 03/17/2002 8:15:28 PM PST by Rokke
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To: VectoRama
Michael Rivero is an idiot. Based on his website I'm sure he thinks the Jews brought down TWA 800. I don't think a cargo door had anything to do with TWA 800 going down, but the fact that Rivero has "debunked it" is giving me second thoughts.
45 posted on 03/17/2002 9:04:49 PM PST by Rokke
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To: VectoRama
There is also zero eyewitness support for the CWT Theory [see the #1 documentation reference source in my last posting].
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Message 7231 Yahoo TWA800 Forum
From: George A Donaldson
Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 2:39 pm
Subject: Re: [twa800] A little sensitive, aren't we?
[excerpt][quote][emphasis added]
Ace, I totally understand your faith in Fritz Meyer's report. It is natural. But what would be the purpose of missile action after the IE? The IE broke up the airframe. Nothing was flyable after the IE. The debris contained falling aircraft structure and bodies of the victims. It seems rather morbid for someone to be shooting at falling bodies such as at a skeet shoot.

To place the MF at a much higher altitude would prevent gravity from being a constant 32.2 feet per second per second. Some claim that the MF was at the IE altitude but anything falling from that altitude would take a nominal 30 seconds to free fall to the ocean. Most witness reports were that is was around 10 seconds which agrees with an altitude reported by Faret and Wendell. With the MF that low, what were Meyer's missiles or ordnance shooting at? It would take anything falling from 13,700 feet a nominal 20 seconds to fall to the MF altitude. Fritz claimed the 'ordnance' occurred a few seconds before the MF. 15 seconds delay before the ordnance does not allow a few in my mind if a few seconds totalled five.

Physics controls what may have occurred, not someone's guess as to what happened. Fritz had wartime experiences which 'told' him that he had witnessed ordnance. The best witness is someone who has had no experience which acts as a bias to his observations. Fritz saw explosions. I don't contest that but what actually was exploding? Emergency breathing oxygen bottles exploding would look like ordnance. [end quote]
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Message 7252 Yahoo TWA800 Forum
From: Jack Reed
Date: Sat Mar 16, 2002 10:38 am
[quote][emphasis added]
Explosion fireballs, the luminous sphere in nuclear blasts, reach about 165 ft from 1-kt NE, scaling down to 16.5 ft for 1000 lb TNT. That is a 33 ft diameter, which is 1.4 minutes of arc at 15 miles range. And that is just below visual acuity, according to Tricker in "An Introduction to Meteorological Optics" which I cited in an earlier posting. The duration would be very short and most unlikely to be visible without intense concentration. Thus I believe it highly unlikely that anyone outside that doomed aircraft saw the IE. [end quote]

46 posted on 03/17/2002 9:06:58 PM PST by Asmodeus
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To: Asmodeus
Thanks for the flag- I'm still not sure about all this.
47 posted on 03/18/2002 6:16:25 AM PST by mafree
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To: Rokke
Michael Rivero is an idiot. Based on his website I'm sure he thinks the Jews brought down TWA 800.

Yeah, except that he already said it was the U.S. Navy and once he says something, he can never change his mind.

Here's the total debunking of the cargo door theory from the NTSB's report

"Examination of the lower lobe forward cargo door showed that all eight of the door latching cams remain attached (along with pieces of the door itself) to the pins along the lower door sill."

So not only was the upper hidge intact as seen at Rivero's site, but the lower locks were also intact. Hence it would be absolutely impossible to believe the cargo door fell off, that is, unless you were Mr. Smith or Asmodeous.

48 posted on 03/18/2002 11:30:32 AM PST by VectoRama
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To: Governor StrangeReno; Angelwood; kristinn; stand watie
You can drop Magician from your paging list he just got booted for posting a CIA-ISI-Taliban timeline that made it look like it was a business deal gone bad

I'm jealous. Magician and CAL have been banned.

They are the real Freepers.

Why can't I join the banned club?

49 posted on 03/18/2002 11:37:24 AM PST by japaneseghost
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To: Governor StrangeReno; Angelwood; kristinn; stand watie
You can drop Magician from your paging list he just got booted for posting a CIA-ISI-Taliban timeline that made it look like it was a business deal gone bad

I'm jealous. Magician and CAL have been banned.

They are the real Freepers.

Why can't I join the banned club?

50 posted on 03/18/2002 11:37:47 AM PST by japaneseghost
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To: VectoRama; Rokke
"Here's the total debunking of the cargo door theory from the NTSB's report.

"Examination of the lower lobe forward cargo door showed that all eight of the door latching cams remain attached (along with pieces of the door itself) to the pins along the lower door sill."

So not only was the upper hidge intact as seen at Rivero's site, but the lower locks were also intact. Hence it would be absolutely impossible to believe the cargo door fell off, that is, unless you were Mr. Smith or Asmodeous.

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You are a supporter of the NTSB final report?

Read my lips. I am neither an advocate nor a promoter of any theory about the crash of TWA Flight 800.

It continues to appear that you can't provide the readers with anything remotely resembling a meaningful rebuttal to The "Missile Witnesses" Myth but then none of the other "shootdown" tinfoils has been able to do so todate either. Just as neither you nor any of them has shown any interest in Bill Donaldson’s 100+ witness interviews being made available to the public. Nobody has to guess what kind of government bureaucrats you'd all likely be.

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Some of the readers might find the following of interest:

Message 2478 Yahoo TWA800 Forum
From: jstonemusic@e... [John Fiorentino]
Date: Mon May 28, 2001 7:26 pm
[quote][emphasis added]
FBI questions crash victims' families about mysterious luggage tag
October 27, 1996 NEW YORK (CNN) -- Investigators probing the crash of TWA Flight 800 want to know more about a man named William Kabofovic, whose name was not on the passenger list but did turn up on a piece of luggage in the wreckage.

The FBI has been interviewing family members of the crash victims, asking if they recognize the name.

"I told them I never heard of him," said Richard Penzer, whose sister Judy died in the crash. Questioned by federal agents, Penzer said, "I assumed it had something to do with my sister. They never told me why they were interested in that person."

"They did not infer in any way that this man Kabofovic's bag was the reason the plane blew up. In fact, they suggested it may have been a bag borrowed by one of the TWA passengers," Aurelie Becker told CNN. Becker's daughter, Michelle, died in the crash.

Becker said the FBI showed her a photograph of a badly mangled beige canvas bag with a leather shoulder strap and trim and asked whether she recognized it.

"They didn't say where the blown up bag was located," said Mrs. Becker. "It was pretty well blown apart, but still recognizable as a Bag."

According to Mrs. Becker, FBI agents did not suggest that bomb had been in the bag, nor that the bag in the photograph was the one with Mr. Kabofovic's name on it.

She said FBI agents asked a series of questions intended to rule out the possibility that a passenger might have been inadvertently part of a plot to destroy the plane. Among these were: did the passenger pack his or her own bags, did they carry a bag on board on behalf of someone else, did someone recently take out a life insurance policy in the name of the passenger, and did he or she have an ex-partner or spouse who would want to do them harm.

The FBI began interviewing family members after sending out a letter from FBI Assistant Director James Kallstrom asking for assistance in the investigation. [end of CNN article – John Fiorentino concludes his posting with the following brief comments]

Several people on the Flight 800 discussion forum know the background on my interest in this lead. Any comments are appreciated.....John Fiorentino [end quote]
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Message 2688 Yahoo TWA800 Forum
From: jstonemusic@e... [John Fiorentino]
Date: Wed Jun 20, 2001 4:05 pm
[excerpt][quote]
The head of the FBI crash inquiry, James K. Kallstrom, told the New York Times August 15 that a piece of evidence proving an explosive was used would probably be about the size of a football and would likely be lost in the sand on the ocean floor. FBI official Joseph Cantamessa Jr. July 29 said that an initial analysis of a short, loud sound captured on the cockpit voice recorder had been inconclusive. That sound had reinforced the bomb theory. http://www.facts.com/cd/s6064505.htm

Here's a scenario for ya, BOMB in rear section detonates cutting off power to the CVR and FDR also hurling a portion of the interior into the Cockpit area. Second bomb explodes, near the forward galley on the right side near the wing area. Forward Cargo door is blown off causing decompression and ejection of interior contents. Forward cargo floor is breached severing the keel beam and ejecting the air conditioning unit and CW 504. Fuselage begins to unzip and forward section is decapitated, flipping underneath the plane and smashing in the forward landing gear doors. Meanwhile parts from the 2nd explosion are sucked into engine #3. Fragment enters right wing and severs CWT vent stringer causing vapors to "ignite" in a slow burn. Plane continues to disintegrate, at 8,000 ft. CWT finally "explodes" Fl. 800 into a MF. This is of course just conjecture. [end quote]
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Message 4370 Yahoo TWA800 Forum
From: "John Fiorentino" Date: Sat Aug 11, 2001 4:48 pm Subject: Re: [twa800] Jack Reed & James Kallstrom [quote][excerpts][emphasis his]
FACT: William Tobin was FIRED by Kallstrom for exercising poor judgement.

GRASSLEY: Within 30 days of arriving at Calverton, what was your professional assessment of as to whether the cause of the crash was a bomb?

TOBIN: It progressed from an inclination of viewing the earmarks as possibly a bomb, but it changed rather quickly to confirmation within my mind that there was no indication of a bomb and unlikely to be that of a missile within the first 30 days.

GRASSLEY: Was your position ever validated? And if so, by whom and how?

TOBIN: My position of -- oh, with regard to the reasons why 260 witnesses could be wrong? Yes, in fact as I indicated, the CIA did a very excellent study and videotape showing the effects of an audible and visual stimulation, external stimuli and that they in fact confirmed that those witnesses, it was highly unlikely that they would have seen the original event.

And again, there were logical reasons why when one's attention is drawn over to that, to an omni-directional explosion, individuals will probably see fragments or something proceeding in an upward direction trailing smoke and flames, particularly if it's from the fuel tank. So there were reasons why some of the characteristics that were described probably were seen.

Yes sir, Mr. Tobin thinks the CIA Cartoon is right on.......the noseless 3,000 ft ascent of a jumbo jet, eating mushrooms are we Billy?

Tobin testified that Kallstrom adamantly believed a bomb destroyed TWA 800. When traces of the high explosives PETN and RDX were found on the aircraft, Tobin says Kallstrom claimed it was proof of a bomb. Tobin thought otherwise. About six weeks into the probe, Tobin testified, he decided there was no evidence of terrorist act and told Kallstrom the crash was an accident.

Kallstrom had problems with Tobin's analysis. There were two possible ways terrorists might have destroyed TWA 800. One was a bomb, and the other was a missile. Tobin, says Kallstrom, had no experience in the forensic damage caused by missiles. Nor did he have the expertise to analyze aircraft wreckage after deterioration from prolonged salt-water immersion. Tobin's experience was limited to bomb damage on dry ground.

There was another problem. At the time of Tobin's conclusion, much of TWA 800 lay unrecovered. Larry Johnson, a former State Department counter- terrorism official directly involved in the Pan Am 103 case, says the volume of debris found by investigators in that case proved the bomb used was so small it could be "spread out on a kitchen table top." With tons of the plane still missing, Kallstrom felt Tobin's conclusion was unprofessional.

Kallstrom says he dismissed Tobin from the probe. He didn't trust the judgment of an investigator who reached conclusions while so much aircraft wreckage still lay on the ocean floor.

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Message 7247 Yahoo TWA800 Forum
From: John Fiorentino
Date: Fri Mar 15, 2002 6:26 pm
[excerpt][quote][his emphasis]
I know I've asked this before, but who was William Kabofovic? I CHALLENGE ANYONE on this board to find him, as a matter of fact, I challenge anyone here to find me a "Kabofovic", get me an address, a phone, a birth record, a death record, a marriage license, get me ANYTHING, BUT I ASSURE YOU WON'T! [end quote]

51 posted on 03/18/2002 6:47:34 PM PST by Asmodeus
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To: ridensm
try link post #41
52 posted on 03/19/2002 6:43:42 PM PST by Governor StrangeReno
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To: Governor StrangeReno; VectoRama; Rokke
Message 7318 Yahoo TWA800 Forum
Date: Wed Mar 20
[excerpt][quote][emphasis added]
I also thought Reed's handling of his sailor fiasco was embarassing, to say the least. I was speaking about this with Bob Reynolds who simply made the comment, "he didn't burn his bridges. he blew em up".

Bob Reynolds – Newswatch 16 – WNEP TV


53 posted on 03/20/2002 8:41:03 AM PST by Asmodeus
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To: Asmodeus;Rokke
I must apologise for my extended time away. My system decided it was going to take a break and broke. Now, Osama did take credit for flight 800. Look for it yourself, the fun is in the finding. You still forget that the pres was a coward with an election he had to win coming up. And you still forget, conveniently so, that if there truly was a fault in the wiring the FAA and NTSB would have grounded all 747-400's till it was fixed. (Mid 80's, a whole fleet was grounded for a minor problem.) You still haven't answered my question. So until you do... look for it yourselves. I doubt you will. And even if you did, you'd deny it.
54 posted on 03/20/2002 8:42:56 AM PST by Darksheare
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To: japaneseghost
i fear before this is over, all of us southrons will be banned from the forum, too. the "moderators" are NOT the favorite people of the "good ole rebs on the net" as dixie threads seem to disappear like Magician!

Banning Clinton's a liar was a TRAVESTY of "FRee speech". CAL is one of the premier FReepers of the DC Chapter (and not co-incidentally an honored VETERAN of the GORE WARS!) and a CREDIT to this forum, by just being a member. whoever the cretin was who did this should be ASHAMED! (i can't believe that JimRob either knew or approved of such foolishness.)

for dixie LIBERTY NOW,sw

55 posted on 03/20/2002 9:08:46 AM PST by stand watie
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To: stand watie
I totally agree. Plus, CAL is a professional publicist.

One should ALWAYS be nice to professional publicists if one has a business.

56 posted on 03/20/2002 9:11:06 AM PST by japaneseghost
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To: Darksheare
You must not have read any of my responses to you. TWA 800 was not a 747-400, so why would the FAA ground 747-400's. With regard to your grounding question, read posts 22, 27, 32 and 35 in this thread. Your assumption that the FAA grounds fleets of aircraft everytime there is an accident caused by mechanical failure is false. In fact, they almost never have. I think the only time they have was in 1979 when a motor fell off a DC-10. That is in the 54 years they have been in existance. There is also a website listed where you can read all the actions the FAA and Boeing did take with regard to TWA 800. So there is your answer concerning why 747's weren't grounded after TWA 800 went down.

With regard to Osama claiming responsiblity for TWA 800, I don't think he did. I actually looked for a source for that and found none. I have to believe if there was one, you'd provide it.

57 posted on 03/20/2002 1:16:32 PM PST by Rokke
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To: Darksheare; VectoRama; Rokke
To repeat what I said to VectoRama in #51 above, read my lips. I am neither an advocate nor a promoter of any theory about the crash of TWA Flight 800 and your efforts to lead the readers to believe I am have been deceitful.

It also continues to appear that you too, like VectoRama, can't provide the readers with anything remotely resembling a meaningful rebuttal to The "Missile Witnesses" Myth but then none of the other "shootdown" tinfoils has been able to do so todate either.

It's also appropriate to note that neither you nor any of them has shown any interest in Bill Donaldson’s 100+ witness interviews being made available to the public. Nobody has to guess what kind of government bureaucrats you'd all likely be.

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The above #51 also includes some of the background on the following related Flight 800 subject, further dramatizing the widespread defections from the “shootdown” ranks of the tinfoils that have dried up their once hefty participation in Bob Donaldson’s twa 800 "bulletin board" forum.

Message 7293 Yahoo TWA800 Forum
From: al lanick
Date: Mon Mar 18, 2002
Subject: Re: [twa800] Mr. Kabofovic...Just a brief search
[quote][excerpt][emphasis added]
John, the Kabofovic thing is quite interesting. About two years ago I spent almost a whole day on the internet looking for a link to this alleged person. As you know, no result. I also looked into anagram possibilities, as well as breaking up the name into two pieces: kabo and fovic; kavo and fobic. There are matched results when you do that . . . but inconclusive dead ends. The fact that the bureau conducted intensive interviews regarding the bag and the name Kabofovic, before it all became public, suggests to me that this was not disinformation. What then? The New York Times, I believe it was, treated the crash as a bombing in the days immediately following the event. As I recall, there were pictures and references to explosive residues etc.

Some questions:
1. Was this the luggage item found in the passenger above-seat storage lockers?
2. How was the name Kabofovic attached to the luggage, exactly? Luggage tag attached to handle with plastic covered holder with paper name tag inside with name typed, or written in pre-printed spaces? A label with self stick glue attached somewhere on the bag? Was the name printed or hand written? Is there a pictured of the name tag? An embroidery? Do we know? Was an analysis done? Where are the results of analysis? How did the bureau state the attachment of identity of W.K with this piece of luggage? And of course, where is the bleeping bag now?!
3. After boarding, while at the gate, who was the person thought to be missing, whose luggage was on the plane, but he/she was not? Remember the hold? The cockpit crew comment, "he was on the plane the whole time”.

Final thought. The fact that today we can find no trace of this name or close examples of it, does suggest that this identity has subsequently been tampered with. The internet will do us no good if that is the case. There are, however, other ways to look, that involve going out and physically consulting other resources. You may have done so. I am willing to make an effort to do so. Do you want to talk about it? [end quote]
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Message 7296 Yahoo TWA800 Forum
From: Richard Savage
Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002
[quote][emphasis added]
John, not to discourage the search for Mr. Kabofovic, but do you remain unconvinced that at least one missle was involved? [end quote]
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Message 7298 Yahoo TWA800 Forum
From: John Fiorentino
Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002
Subject: Re: "At least one missile"
[quote][emphasis added]
Rick: I am not convinced. [end quote]
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Message 7303 Yahoo TWA800 Forum
From: Richard Savage Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002 1:37 pm Subject: Re: [twa800] Re: "At least one missile" [quote] John, could you summarize your reasons for not being convinced or point me in the general direction of your previous explanations? [end quote]
Message 7312 Yahoo TWA800 Forum
From: "wwwqwww" d-choma@a...
Date: Tue Mar 19, 2002
[quote] Awww, come on, John. You don't really understand something unless you can explain it to others. That's what you're gonna have to do when you write your book or whatever. Please tell us why you don't necessarily think that there was 'at least one missile' involved. Give us three or four fact filled paragraphs explaining your thinking. These one-liners don't hack it. They're not even worth copyrighting. [end quote]
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The feeble efforts by the "shootdown" tinfoils to get the Kabofovic Suitcase Bomb tinfoils to at least agree that there was "at least one missile" involved in the disaster – without any mention of Bill Donaldson’s own 100+ eyewitness interviews that it continues to appear remain Top Secret and that the Kobofovicans have never had the opportunity to read, leaves no room for doubt that even the "shootdown" tinfoils now have little or no faith in Bill Donaldson’s competence as either an interviewer of Flight 800 witnesses or as an analyst of their reports and that the 6 years of untenable "missile(s) witnesses" allegations have run out of gas.

58 posted on 03/20/2002 1:31:12 PM PST by Asmodeus
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To: Asmodeus
Oops. Unintentional duplication.

But some things are worth repeating.

59 posted on 03/20/2002 1:31:33 PM PST by Concentrate
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