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Jesuits Implode(USF)
The American prowler ^ | 3/13/02 | George Neumayr

Posted on 03/13/2002 10:13:59 AM PST by nickcarraway

Jesuits Implode

By George Neumayr

Published 3/13/02 12:03:00 AM

Were Ignatius of Loyola alive today, the Jesuit order he founded wouldn't ordain him. His once-formidable society is now a corrupt club for homosexual dilettantes and anti-papal dissenters. Real Catholics need no longer apply.

The order is in the throes of a collapse as historically significant as its suppression in 1773. This disintegration, known to traditional Catholics for years (and to bishops too cowardly to stifle its corruption), is now even admitted by liberal pundits. Garry Wills' article about the book "Passionate Uncertainty: Inside the American Jesuits" appears in the New York Review of Books under the title, "Jesuits in Disarray." Jonathan Kirsch, a Los Angeles Times reviewer of the same book, notes that the order is in demographic free fall: "former Jesuits now outnumber active Jesuits in the United States."

Meanwhile, traditional Jesuits who stay and seek to recover the order's original spark find themselves in exile. The office for the Jesuit Province in California confirmed to TAP that Joseph Fessio, the prolific San Francisco Jesuit publisher of orthodox books and publications, has been ordered to leave San Francisco for a new assignment, effective in May, at an obscure Catholic hospital in Duarte, California. Fessio's banishment coincides with his recent announcement to start a traditional Catholic school called Campion College next door to the openly dissenting Jesuit University of San Francisco, a school which in recent years has advertised such pagan oddities as a "Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Student Alliance."

Duarte, California, is becoming the Devil's Island for Jesuits who don't conform to the order's liberal regime. Father Cornelius Buckley, a longtime Jesuit history professor at the University of San Francisco deemed insufficiently liberal for the school, was reassigned to Duarte, California, in the late 1990s. The order called him "divisive."

The crack-up of the liberals in the order will likely accelerate in the wake of their panicky persecution of traditional Jesuits like Fessio. Such desperate actions are in proportion to their fear of exposure and accountability. In a typical liberal irony, the dissenters in the order who rose to power through disobedience to papal authority now use their power to repress "disobedient" traditional Jesuits, lest their revolution inside the Catholic Church grind to a halt.

The Vatican cannot ignore their outrages forever, especially as costly sex abuse lawsuits (the Jesuits settled in 2000 with a seminarian who accused over a dozen Jesuit superiors of sending him pornographic cards and asking him to perform sex acts on them)and lay backlash reveal the modern Jesuits as a chief source of degeneracy and dissent in the Church.

Perhaps it is time for a Second Suppression, not to kill the order, but to save it. Unless the Father Robert Drinans are soon suppressed and replaced with Father Fessios at the head of the order, its days are numbered.

The cancer of corruption is rapidly devouring it. If the bishops won't take this fact seriously from the traditional Catholics they take for granted, perhaps they will listen to the liberal cultural commentators who acknowledge it as well.

"Entering the Jesuits used to take one into a stable world; but that is far from the experience of recent times," writes Garry Wills. "A thirty-five-year-old still studying theology says: 'My novice master left to marry, my formation director left for a relationship with another man, et cetera. One cannot help but get the sense that we of this generation of Jesuits may be the last of the Shakers.'"

Wills writes that the authors of "Passionate Uncertainty: Inside the American Jesuits," Peter McDonough and Eugene C. Bianchi, "report a general agreement among present and former Jesuits that a gay subculture flourishes in the Society. Outsiders became aware of this subculture in 2000, when it was reported that Jesuits by the dozens were suffering from or dying of AIDS."

Wills says the Jesuits "quietly ignore papal teaching on homosexuality" and that if the head of the order "should try to enforce the papal ban on any homosexual activity, the already thin ranks could be considerably reduced -- gays might leave in droves, as heterosexuals already have."

"A straight young Jesuit says: 'I feel quite alone when Jesuits of my generation talk about sex and sexuality.' Straights complain about being in the minority in the "younger Society" and about being held to stricter norms of conduct. Gays want shoulders to cry on as they struggle with coming out and are unduly sensitive to any detail of a response which they can interpret as nonacceptance.'"

Continues Wills: "A man in his thirties teaching in a high school also feels stranded: 'Several of my former Jesuit friends would mention the large number of gay Jesuits and the impact that had on community life as being a big reason they left. As a relatively young Jesuit who is heterosexual, I believe I am in the minority, and that raises questions.'"

Authors McDonough and Bianchi speak of the modern Jesuits' "self-absorption" and "soft-boiled spirituality" -- "designer Catholicism," as the authors put it.

Had St. Ignatius known his order would go from fighting for the Church to fighting the Church -- from the Pope's marines to moral midgets -- he would never have started it. One wonders how long the Vatican will permit this insult on his memory to persist.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: academia; california; catholic; catholiclist; italy; religion; sasu

1 posted on 03/13/2002 10:14:00 AM PST by nickcarraway
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2 posted on 03/13/2002 10:22:28 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
George, your article sounds like you think America is the center of the universe. That's nothing new, Europeans think that Americans are obese, self-centered and something else, I forget what (materialistic?) What about the Jesuits ouside the borders of your universe? I pose this as a question not an assertion that things are better elsewhere. I dunno and your chicken little article gives me no clue.
3 posted on 03/13/2002 10:23:18 AM PST by Revolting cat!
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4 posted on 03/13/2002 10:25:48 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
Jesuits Implode

In an era of Palestinian suicide-bombers, this comes as a HUGE relief to me. I'll bet the clean-up efforts go much smoother, too.

5 posted on 03/13/2002 10:33:31 AM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Revolting cat!
George, your article sounds like you think America is the center of the universe. That's nothing new, Europeans think that Americans are obese, self-centered and something else, I forget what (materialistic?) What about the Jesuits ouside the borders of your universe? I pose this as a question not an assertion that things are better elsewhere. I dunno and your chicken little article gives me no clue.

Are you reponding to the right thread? Or have you been hitting this too much today?

What the hell are you talking about?

6 posted on 03/13/2002 10:52:38 AM PST by Cable225
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To: nickcarraway
I was surprised at the openly 'progressive' nature of the faculty of USF while I attended. Got me wondering what kind of religion they taught at jesuit seminaries, as it didn't seem to resemble anything I'd ever learned in Sunday School.
7 posted on 03/13/2002 11:03:12 AM PST by skeeter
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To: nickcarraway
The Vatican cannot ignore their outrages forever, especially as costly sex abuse lawsuits (the Jesuits settled in 2000 with a seminarian who accused over a dozen Jesuit superiors of sending him pornographic cards and asking him to perform sex acts on them)and lay backlash reveal the modern Jesuits as a chief source of degeneracy and dissent in the Church.

Well if the POPE would quit running all over the world and pay attention to what is happening at home this wouldn't happen
8 posted on 03/13/2002 11:11:21 AM PST by uncbob
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To: nickcarraway
Homosexuals ruin every organization the gain control of and the liberals want them in the BOY SCOUTS
9 posted on 03/13/2002 11:14:01 AM PST by uncbob
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To: uncbob
The Pope's home is all over the world. There are Catholics all over the world.
10 posted on 03/13/2002 11:17:26 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
Most Catholic Colleges are jokes

I am an Agnostic but raised Catholic . I used to donate to my Alma mater College until they just went TOO far left. Let abortion lover Clinton use their facilities for a rally.
Catholic colleges are meaningless any more

As an outside observer the only thing that can save the Church is a SCHISM It needs another Luthur
11 posted on 03/13/2002 11:18:56 AM PST by uncbob
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12 posted on 03/13/2002 11:21:02 AM PST by Khepera
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To: uncbob
We don't need another Luther. All we need is for Mother Angelica to get well and for the Pope to give her, Fr. Groeschel, and Fr. Fessio all the power they need to clean up the Catholic Church in the U.S.
13 posted on 03/13/2002 11:23:02 AM PST by father_elijah
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To: nickcarraway
The Pope's home is all over the world. There are Catholics all over the world.

Yeah well I don't doubt that things are probably the same all over the World then if his response to what has been going on here in the USA is any indication

This didn't happen overnight
14 posted on 03/13/2002 11:23:24 AM PST by uncbob
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To: uncbob
Don't donate to your school if they are unacceptable. Make sure you tell them why you can't give them money. The school can't do everything it wants with impunity if it has no money. USF donations starting falling significantly last year.
15 posted on 03/13/2002 11:28:35 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
My students ask me, "Professor, what is the difference between Boston College and Franciscan University of Steubenville?" I tell them, "Well, Boston College is a Jesuit school, and Franciscan University is a Catholic school. The worst part is, some of them don't get it."--Peter Kreeft
16 posted on 03/13/2002 11:30:30 AM PST by Campion
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To: *Catholic_list
See the list of Catholic-related threads.
17 posted on 03/13/2002 11:43:29 AM PST by ELS
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To: uncbob
Catholic colleges are meaningless any more

In general, that is true. If you want more information on why that has happened, do a Web search on "Land o'Lakes". There are a few good Catholic universities/colleges. A short list includes Thomas Aquinas College, Franciscan University of Steubenville, Christendom College, and (contrary to relatively recent history) Catholic University of America.

18 posted on 03/13/2002 11:58:39 AM PST by ELS
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To: Cable225
What the hell are you talking about?

The article states (or implies if you prefer) pretty much that the worldwide Jesuit order is on the verge of collapse because the American Jesuit branch is full of homos and communists. I can see now how the myopic focus of the article may be difficult to notice when one's self-centered, obese and materialistic. It's hard to get outside yourself, isn't it?

19 posted on 03/13/2002 12:04:55 PM PST by Revolting cat!
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To: Goldhammer
Does he promote celibacy?

It said on his web site he did Jesuit studies in Los Gatos? Los Gatos, California?

21 posted on 03/13/2002 6:50:50 PM PST by nickcarraway
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22 posted on 03/13/2002 6:55:29 PM PST by pax_et_bonum
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To: Goldhammer
Another telling item from David Birchall's web page:

"David qualified as a massage therapist at San Francisco School of Massage."

Need we say more?

23 posted on 03/13/2002 7:02:43 PM PST by Revolting cat!
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To: pax_et_bonum
wow..this author doesn't dance around the issue, does he?
24 posted on 03/13/2002 7:07:27 PM PST by LarryLied
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To: uncbob
"It needs another Luthur"

No, it certainly doesn't need another Luther. Luther tried to make changes by attacking those he thought guilty of abuse. He succeeded in making changes which brought about the worst disunity in Christendom ever.

What the Church could use is another St. Francis of Assisi. The Church of his time (1200's) was just as corrupt as the Church at the time of Luther. Francis' reaction was not to attack those he saw living lives of immorality and abuse, but to look at himself and to do his best to live, himself, according to the Gospel. The result was a great reform of the Church- clergy and laity, both.

Someone once said, "Christianity has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found difficult and not tried."

There are lots of serious problems in the Church today. The solution is simple: We Catholics must live according to Christ's gospel.

Francis of Assisi is worth reading about. My favorite book is "St. Francis of Assisi" by Johannes Jorgensen. G.K. Chesterton also wrote a good biography of Francis.

25 posted on 03/13/2002 7:11:14 PM PST by pax_et_bonum
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To: LarryLied
No, he doesn't.

Have you ever seen Father Fessio on EWTN? He is pretty impressive.

26 posted on 03/13/2002 7:13:58 PM PST by pax_et_bonum
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To: Revolting cat!
What????
27 posted on 03/13/2002 7:18:56 PM PST by It's me
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To: Campion
My students ask me, "Professor, what is the difference between Boston College and Franciscan University of Steubenville?" I tell them, "Well, Boston College is a Jesuit school, and Franciscan University is a Catholic school. The worst part is, some of them don't get it."--Peter Kreeft

As a BC alum, I get it. Ironically, it was the paganistic/libertine atmosphere at BC that drove me back into the arms of Mother Church. The Jesuits need a SERIOUS purging. Homos OUT!
28 posted on 03/13/2002 7:22:55 PM PST by Antoninus
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29 posted on 03/13/2002 7:25:46 PM PST by Antoninus
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To: Revolting cat!
George, your article sounds like you think America is the center of the universe. That's nothing new, Europeans think that Americans are obese, self-centered and something else, I forget what (materialistic?)

Who shives a git what Euro peons think??? America IS the center of the universe. Where in the hell have you been?

30 posted on 03/13/2002 7:39:55 PM PST by pgkdan
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To: uncbob
Well if the POPE would quit running all over the world and pay attention to what is happening at home this wouldn't happen

The Pope's home is the world!

31 posted on 03/13/2002 7:42:06 PM PST by pgkdan
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To: nickcarraway
Check out a book that delves deeper into what has happened to the Jesuits:

THE JESUITS
The Society of Jesus and the Betrayal
of the Roman Catholic Church

by Malachi Martin
33 posted on 03/13/2002 8:06:40 PM PST by StormEye
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To: nickcarraway
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34 posted on 03/13/2002 8:17:59 PM PST by patent
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35 posted on 03/14/2002 7:53:07 AM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: pax_et_bonum
Fr. Fessio is on the board of governors for the Ave Maria School of Law in Ann Arbor.
36 posted on 03/14/2002 7:55:48 AM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: Cable225
Europeans think that Americans are obese, self-centered and something else, I forget what (materialistic?)

Thats okay, because Americans feel Europeans are effete, degenerate and lazy. So you see the love is mutual...
37 posted on 03/14/2002 8:04:07 AM PST by Kozak
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To: pax_et_bonum
"Someone once said, "Christianity has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found difficult and not tried."

QUOTE OF THE YEAR!

Your illustration about St. Francis is absolutely correct IMHO. Thank you for posting those remarks...just super and on-target!

38 posted on 03/14/2002 8:20:28 AM PST by grumpster-dumpster
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To: Notwithstanding
It's heartening to know that Ave Maria is in Ann Arbor. While there, I thought AA was a wretched hive of scum and villiany...
39 posted on 03/14/2002 8:29:22 AM PST by Chemist_Geek
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To: Notwithstanding
Yes, of course! Mea culpa!
40 posted on 03/14/2002 8:45:06 AM PST by ELS
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To: pax_et_bonum;grumpster-dumpster
The Church could you another Ignatius of Loyola.

"Christianity has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found difficult and not tried."

was said by Gilbert Keith Chesterton

41 posted on 03/14/2002 9:51:33 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
Thanks!

I should have known that something that intelligent was said by a brilliant convert to Catholicism.

;)

42 posted on 03/14/2002 1:35:41 PM PST by pax_et_bonum
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To: Antoninus
A lot of the more conservative Jesuits wound up at my alma mater; Marquette University.

However, upon hearing about the students voting procedures in the 2000 elections, I fear the campus has probably descended further into the depths of liberalism.

43 posted on 03/14/2002 1:55:26 PM PST by Incorrigible
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To: nickcarraway
Interesting. As I remember rightly, Bianchi was a pretty good teacher. I had him for a class back in the olden days when he was a Jesuit at Santa Clara U.
44 posted on 04/12/2002 3:33:22 PM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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