"I'm gonna go check out. It's all so hopeless,
and everyone's against me, man!"
Posted on 03/13/2002 2:47:41 PM PST by Michael2001
Well I'm mad and I'm angry, and maybe that's why I can't think of an appropriate response. While all of us were prasing him for how he was dealing with the war on terror, Bush passes this Amnesty Bill, something that not even the sneaky Bill Clinton would do. This is one of the worse Bills to pass through Congress, it will hurt us in many ways, and ten years from now we will still be feeling it's effects.
Bush has, without a doubt in my mind, sold us out for the Hispanic vote. He sold us out because he can take our vote for granted (who will we vote for Al Gore?). Is he wrong? What do we do when the Republicans stop looking out for our interests? Is it time for a new party, or do we work within the party and try to root out the Republicans In Name Only (of which there are many)?
Thank you for the informative post.
Hah! Ok everyone, out of the pool. Go down and sign up as Reformers! Er, or did Pat move on to another party?
215 posted on 3/13/02 5:08 PM Pacific by Jim Robinson
Hey, that's a fair comment. It's based on the reality of the Reform Party and it's current condition. It's based on the fact that I supported Pat in 2000. I did my best to tell people that Bush was going to sell them out on many issues. They didn't believe me. So be it. Part of this reality may not be as plaitable to folks though.
Part of this reality is that the Reform Party was desimated by a backlash of Conservatives who swore that Bush wouldn't do what Pat and I said he would. There isn't a Reform party today, at least not a viable one that could challenge the two main parties. People made their choice in 2000. They were told that if they turned their back on the Reform party there wouldn't be one in 2004. Well, guess what. We have been sold out by Bush on a number of issues. Now where do we go?
As strange as it may seem, I'm not as concerned about Pat's loss as some might suspect. That's in the past. Part of the reality after 2000, is where we are headed as a nation. And it concerns me greatly that Bush is heralded as the only choice we have. Whether it's trade with China and all the problems that represents despite our plane being shot down, or the $40 billion increased spending on the incredibly problematic DoE, or the amnesty for criminal aliens that are here illegally, or the Patriot Act that infringes on our rights in ways the Democrats would never have been allowed to impose without a fight, or the $300 billion dollar healthcare plan, or the continual Israel bashing statements that eminate from Powell as well as Bush, or any of a number of other issues, I can not support Bush.
My only alternative is to vote for the Constitution party or some other candidate.
Only when the Republican Party is put on notice, will it get it's act together. If than means they get 27% of the vote fine. If they get 17% of the vote, so much the better. This will upset some. To me it's far more upsetting to see the Republicans win while advocating what I always accepted were Democrat policies. That may be the reality, but it's not a reality I'm going to support.
If everyone else on the forum wants to support the duopoly, I'll be sad to see it. I want a second choice. But just like in the year 2000, I'll have to live with your choices again.
And the reason you think anyone really cares what you think is _____________________?
Mr. President, you swore an oath. So did our Congressman and Senators. If you and they are unwilling to abide by that oath, step down.
If you wish to work on behalf of the United Nations, the nation of Mexico or any other, step down now and persue your desires. I will wish you well. But when it comes to our own nation, we deserve to have a man represent and uphold our Constitution, our sovereignty and our borders.
The loyal Republican sheep will continue to vote for Bush REGARDLESS of what he does, and that is exactly what he's counting on. He has implied very clearly that "illegal" no longer means "breaking the law" (except for the taxpayers, of course).
The reason that this doublecrossing from Bush is so painful is because we expected more of him.
AZ
Tell you what. I'll make a deal with you. Show me a truly libertarian society to evaluate and then I'll take libertarians seriously.
Besides, if you truly feel conservatives are "just a bunch of Democrats in drag," why are you consorting with us? If you are known by the company you keep, then, what does your being on a conservative news forum truly say about you?
Jim Robinson has aptly subtitled his site "A Conservative News Forum" , shouldn't you and the rest of your libertarian friends go and find your own forum? I mean, it's a CONSERVATIVE forum! What are you even doing here?
You can vote for leaders that you can only hope will merely slow the loss of liberty, and hope they keep their promises. But if you can't just sit and wait for the empire to suffer a slow, painful death, you might just have to swallow a bitter pill. You generally have to hit rock bottom before you find the motivation to turn things around.
Nice little diversion and distraction from this insane amnesty of millions of criminals.
Good work.
And, like 2000, your vote will be meaningless.
Have you actually read the "amnesty bill"? It's NOT an amnesty bill.
I suspect that won't matter to you, though. Anything to justify your vote for "Republic not an Empire" Buchanan.
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