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Now That Bush Has Sold Us Out... What are we going to do about it? (vanity)

Posted on 03/13/2002 2:47:41 PM PST by Michael2001

Well I'm mad and I'm angry, and maybe that's why I can't think of an appropriate response. While all of us were prasing him for how he was dealing with the war on terror, Bush passes this Amnesty Bill, something that not even the sneaky Bill Clinton would do. This is one of the worse Bills to pass through Congress, it will hurt us in many ways, and ten years from now we will still be feeling it's effects.

Bush has, without a doubt in my mind, sold us out for the Hispanic vote. He sold us out because he can take our vote for granted (who will we vote for Al Gore?). Is he wrong? What do we do when the Republicans stop looking out for our interests? Is it time for a new party, or do we work within the party and try to root out the Republicans In Name Only (of which there are many)?


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To: Joe Hadenuf
You guys are killing me,,,,,,,,

We're trying, Joe. We're really trying.

421 posted on 03/13/2002 6:33:55 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: AlGone2001
It certainly seems though that this whole deal is something Bush is trying to push through so he can take it to Fox when he goes to Mexico. It seems very inappropriate for an American president to be offering such gifts to a foreign leader. I don't understand in the first place how Fox can demand we are to take the citizens of his country and make them legal. I don't know why Bush seems to be bowing to him in all these matters.
422 posted on 03/13/2002 6:34:28 PM PST by FITZ
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To: sinkspur
A little more info regarding all this discussion....

INS

Immigrants

All persons wishing to have the right to live an work in the United States without restriction must qualify to immigrate and go through the formal immigration procedures. Immigrants to the United States are divided into two categories:

  1. Those who may obtain permanent residence status without numerical limitation, and
  2. Those subject to an annual limitation. The latter category is further divided into

1. UNLIMITED IMMIGRANTS

2. LIMITED IMMIGRANTS

Immigration into the United States is limited to 675,000 persons per year. These visas are regulated by a specific numerical control procedure. That figure is divided into three distinct sub-categories.

A. Family-Based

Preference relatives may receive all of the visas not used by Immediate Relatives, but no less than 226,000 visas per year. Family-based preference categories (with miminum limits in parentheses) include:

  1. First Preference: Unmarried sons and daughters of U.S. citizens, and children if any. (23,400)
  2. Second Preference: Spouses, children, and unmarried sons and daughters of lawful permanent resident aliens. (114,200)
  3. Third Preference: Married sons and daughters of U.S. citizens, and their spouses and children. (23,400)
  4. Fourth Preference: Brothers and sisters of U.S. citizens, and their spouses and children, provided the U.S. citizens are over 20. (65,000)

B. Employment-Based

A total minimum of 140,000 immigrant visas yearly are available for this category which is divided into five preference groups (percent of yearly limit):

  1. Priority Workers: Persons of extraordinary ability in the sciences, arts, education, business, or athletics; outstanding professors and researchers; and certain multinational executives and managers (28.6%).
  2. Members of the Professions: Professionals holding advanced degrees, and persons of exceptional ability in the sciences, arts, and business (28.6%).
  3. Professionals, Skilled and Unskilled Workers: Professionals holding baccalaureate degrees, skilled workers with at least two years experience, and other workers whose skills are in short supply in the United States (28.6%).
  4. Special Immigrants: Certain religious workers, ministers of religion, certain international organization employees and their immediate family members, and qualified, recommended current and former U.S. Government employees. (7.1%).
  5. Investors: Persons who create employment for at least ten unrelated persons by investing capital in a new commercial enterprise in the United States. The minimum capital required is between $500,000 and $1,000,000, depending on the employment rate in the geographic area (7.1%).

C. Diversity Immigrant Visa Lottery

The Diversity Lottery makes available a maximum of 55,000 immigrant visa numbers annually to persons selected at random from countries with low rates of immigration to the United States. There is a separate registration for each year's visas. Information on registration for the lottery is announced each year by the State Department.

Application

Whichever of these three paths is chosen, the basic processing procedures are the same. Once the applicant has qualified, the prospective immigrant must next formally apply for immigrant ("lawful permanent resident" or "green card") status. Depending upon where the applicant is physically located, and whether the applicant qualifies for both, the applicant may elect either of two procedures for applying for immigrant status:

  1. Consular Immigrant Visa Processing
  2. Adjustment of Status

For immigration purposes, the beneficiary of a petition is known as the "principal applicant". The principal applicant may or may not be able to include his or her dependants in the application. In most cases that are subject to quota limitations, the principal appolicant's spouse and unmarried children under the age of 21 are automatically eligible to immigrate as well. In cases involving "immediate relatives" (who are not subject to quota limitations), "derivative beneficiaries" are not permitted and each person intending to immigrate must be the beneficiary of a separate petition filed on their behalf.

Certain employment based applicants such as priority workers, investors, certain special immigrants, and diversity immigrants can petition on their own behalf. All others must have a relative or potential employer petition for them.

Applicants for family-sponsored immigrant visas should request the U.S. citizen relative to file a petition Form I-130 with the nearest Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS). In some cases, if the U.S. citizen is residing abroad, he or she may file the petition with a consular officer at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate.

Applicants for employment-based immigrant visas may require an approved petition Form I-140 from the INS. Priority workers may petition on their own behalf with the INS, while others must have their prospective employers file the petitions. Prior to filing a petition with the INS, members of the profession, professionals, skilled and unskilled workers, must obtain certifications from the Department of Labor that there are no qualified workers available for the proposed employment in the U.S.

Special immigrant returning residents and U.S. Government employees must apply to the Secretary of State through a U.S. consular office abroad. All other special immigrants must file the I-360 petition with INS.

An investor must file a Form-I-526 petition with the INS.

Diversity immigrants must file an application with the U.S. Department of State. Information on registration will be announced each year by the State Department.

The State Department will advise the beneficiary of the petition (the applicant for a visa) when it is received from the approving office. The visa applicant will receive further instructions at that time.

Visa Ineligibility and Waivers

The immigration laws of the United States, in order to protect the health, welfare, and security of the U.S., prohibit visa issuance to certain applicants. This includes persons who have a communicable disease, or have a dangerous physical or mental disorder, or are drug addicts; have committed serious criminal acts, including crimes involving moral turpitude, drug trafficking, and prostitution or procuring; are terrorists, subversives, members of a totalitarian party or former Nazi war criminals; are likely to become public charges in the U. S.; have used fraud or other illegal means to enter the U.S.; or are ineligible for citizenship. Some former exchange visitors must live abroad 2 years. Physicians who intend to practice medicine must pass a qualifying exam before receiving immigrant visas.

If any of the above restrictions apply, it is sometimes possible to obtain a waiver and continue the immigration process.

423 posted on 03/13/2002 6:35:36 PM PST by deport
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To: go star go
"Think about just how much fruits and vegetables would cost..."

People like you, who would trade our national sovereignty and go for a back door method to allow illegal immigrants to get around the law just for the sake of cheaper labor and goods, are the worst kind of "patriots".

Someday soon, it will be more than the cheap labor jobs at stake. And the blood will flow because citizens like you support this.

424 posted on 03/13/2002 6:35:47 PM PST by wcbtinman
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To: terilyn
Have you read the bill? Anybody that wants to apply for "amnesty" meaning a green card and legal status, must have already applied for the family relationship status prior to AUGUST 2001

Then why the big rush to have this pushed through so quickly and in time for Bush's trip to the Mexican leader?

425 posted on 03/13/2002 6:36:39 PM PST by FITZ
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To: sinkspur
"They" never called it an "amnesty bill."

I am trying to compose myself, he he, what was it they called it sink?

Oh, and thanks for the laughs in advance! LOL!

426 posted on 03/13/2002 6:39:48 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: FITZ
. . . but at least the libertarians wouldn't be attracting them with all the government handout programs the Bush-Fox team will.

OK, that's two issues. Shall we go for more? (Actually, it's one issue and one hyperbole, but why pick nits?)

427 posted on 03/13/2002 6:40:33 PM PST by AmishDude
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To: FITZ
It certainly seems though that this whole deal is something Bush is trying to push through so he can take it to Fox when he goes to Mexico. It seems very inappropriate for an American president to be offering such gifts to a foreign leader.

If you invetigate, you'll see that this was an issue that he was pushing before 9/11. It's not as though he came up with this over the weekend.

428 posted on 03/13/2002 6:42:27 PM PST by AlGone2001
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To: AlGone2001
I know last time amnesty was supposed to be for certain people who had lived and worked in the US for a fairly long period of time which got cut down to 5 years (someone told me 4 years), and they had to prove they had lived and worked here. It turns out none could prove anything since they were presenting fake Social Security Numbers and stolen Birth Certificates or were paid under the table. So they changed it to just a notarized letter from anyone claiming they had employed them ----that turned out the be a huge fiasco and a big joke ---truckloads of people who'd never stepped foot in the US came right on over and got their amnesty.
429 posted on 03/13/2002 6:42:33 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Dec31,1999
Thanks.

I want to let this forum know about some details concerning my private life. I think it is important to discuss straight facts/observations about an issue that has some serious ramifications. My wife of 22 years, applied for citizenship about 12 years ago. The process took about 4 years. She is an American citizen giving up her Mexican citizenship. When she achieved citizenship, she relinquished any Mexican rights to property and so forth. If her parents die, she may not receive any inheritance from their large ranch.

But today, we see Congress "short-circuiting" our own system of legal processes to become an American citizen. We see, that our Congress could care less about those that made the time to comply with the law while simultaneously losing property and other rights, because of their love for America. We see Congress accepting criminals while letting them become equal to Americans.

This is not the Congress of the people, by the people and for the people that our nation was based upon! This is a Congress of lies, deceit and shame ... selling our American heritage short!

430 posted on 03/13/2002 6:43:18 PM PST by Buckeroo
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To: AmishDude
Bush already said he wants to expand the Food Stamp program for immigrants. Also legal residents are "entitled" to many programs that illegals are not. At least the Libertarians wouldn't be giving the free health care and welfare programs that is the cause of much of this illegal immigration.
431 posted on 03/13/2002 6:44:25 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Mr. Blond
Your post is one of the best examples I've seen of the fundamental hatred of America that motivates many Paleos. You love an idea of America in your head, which the real America - the one that presently exists - isn't living up to. So you would welcome seeing America as she actually exists "hit rock bottom" for the advantage of your cause.

What might "rock bottom" include? How many of your fellow-citizens dead would be an acceptable price to pay? Would electing a Democrat who would lose or withdraw from the war on terrorism be OK? So the Islamofascists would really despise us, and blow up a few thousand people in American cities once a month just to show their contempt?

I must say I don't see much difference between you and a Muslim resident in the US whose real loyalty is to the Muslim Umma. You don't care what happens to the US so long as it promotes your ideal America. The Muslim terrorist-sympathizer doesn't care what happens to the US so long as it promotes Islamic hegemony in the world. Sounds very much alike to me.

432 posted on 03/13/2002 6:44:29 PM PST by Southern Federalist
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To: 4ourprogeny
Yeah, I agree. It's far better to allow Hillary and her Democrats to take office by default. Anything is better than those damn Rinos.
433 posted on 03/13/2002 6:44:32 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: wcbtinman
And the blood will flow because citizens like you support this

That seems to be the wet dream of many around here.

434 posted on 03/13/2002 6:44:41 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: sinkspur
Well sink, what did *they* call it?

he he he.

435 posted on 03/13/2002 6:45:53 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: ChareltonHest
We need to find a way to get the rite people in office.

Fat chance of that happening if Campaign Finance Reform passes.

436 posted on 03/13/2002 6:46:35 PM PST by oldvike
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To: FITZ
I don't know why Bush seems to be bowing to him in all these matters.

An attempt to gain the Chicano/Hispanic vote? Republicans seem to make some pretty big blunders regularly. Sort of like when they voted not to put Clinton on trial. Or how they fight to give China MFN status. It just doesn't pass the smell test. The Republican party is merely the lesser of evils, but not by very much, depending on how you look at it. Point is: we're not nearly getting what we want, and no matter what we do, the sweet liberty of yesteryear is increasingly under attack, either by the Dems natural proclivities, or now the terrorist threats.

438 posted on 03/13/2002 6:47:55 PM PST by Dec31,1999
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To: AAABEST; Jim Robinson
Well, what happens if we bolt on every little disagreement? The word unreliable comes to mind.

The fact is that we could not get the border security alone. This 245(i) measure might get the vital border security stuff through. The question is, do we let our demand for perfect legislation cause us to walk away from legislation that is still decent, IMO, even if it's not exactly what we want?

Furthermore, do we let is divide and cost us in the pro-life, judicial confirmation, Second Amendment, national security,. and foreign policy issues that are more pressing, IMHO? The answer, in my opinion, is no. If people want to bolt to the Buchanan Brigades, fine. But if Hillary or Gore get in, they'd better not be upset when I dish out their share of the blame upon them for an Administration hostile to the issues I listed.

439 posted on 03/13/2002 6:48:48 PM PST by hchutch
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To: DoughtyOne
I guess when we have a Dem president in 04 I'll have to live with your choice as well.
440 posted on 03/13/2002 6:51:03 PM PST by stands2reason
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