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1 posted on 03/15/2002 11:03:09 AM PST by 2banana
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To: 2banana
BOOKMARKED.
Thanks.
2 posted on 03/15/2002 11:06:37 AM PST by ppaul
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To: 2banana
God bless Bob Scheuer for verifying the record that many wish to pretend never existed.
4 posted on 03/15/2002 11:17:43 AM PST by Faith
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Research shows that 54 of the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence were Christians

Who was the other, if Washington was indeed not a Christian?

9 posted on 03/15/2002 11:23:57 AM PST by RoughDobermann
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Unfortunately the author forgets than in the debate over the language of the Declaration, it was proposed that the words "endowed by their Creator" should be "endowed by their Creator, the Lord Jesus Christ".

The change was voted down. While many founders were indeed Christians, they wanted to create a secular government.

Anybody remember the part in the Constitution about "no religious test"?

Our nation's strength springs from freedom, and respect for individual rights.

11 posted on 03/15/2002 11:31:43 AM PST by jimt
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"Religion is the only solid basis of good morals." - Gouveneur Morris

Really? Wow, I had no idea. I'd better quit volunteering and start raping, robbing and pillaging. I sure wouldn't want to disappoint the old Gouverenuer.

14 posted on 03/15/2002 11:36:26 AM PST by freeeee
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“The American nation from its first settlement at Jamestown to this hour is based upon and permeated by the principles of the Bible”

Former Supreme Court Justice David Joseph Brewer
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15 posted on 03/15/2002 11:40:25 AM PST by w_over_w
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This is a largely Christian nation, with a predominantly Christian population. At the time of the Constitution, a group of states with established Christian churches joined in a FEDERAL union, and DENIED to the new FEDERAL Congress any powers relating to relgion. The Constitution is largely based on Christian values and principles. The people living under it were envisioned as Christian people. The fact that the federal government was denied any powers relating to religion negates none of those facts about THE PEOPLE and the STATE governments. It is the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT which was intended to be neutral with regard to religion, not the states, and not the people.
17 posted on 03/15/2002 11:49:21 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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...I would like to apply some facts from our nation's history.

At this point the Demoncrats all go back to smokin' crack.

18 posted on 03/15/2002 11:53:14 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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Thank you. Excellent article; I printed it out.
26 posted on 03/15/2002 12:12:41 PM PST by alnick
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Our nation's strength springs from founders' Christian principles

BINGO!

43 posted on 03/15/2002 12:40:32 PM PST by Smile-n-Win
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Mr. O'Neill claims that we who believe that this country was founded on Christian principles are "wrong." While he is entitled to his opinion, consider some of the facts. Research shows that 54 of the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence were Christians,

As was pointed out to me by an alert Freeper, the signers of the Declaration of Independence are NOT considered to be Founding Fathers. It's the signers of the Constitution that are considered to be Founding Fathers. (Look it up in a dictionary.) But you used the small "f" "founders"...and

This is a bit of an academic point...I have no doubt that most of the men who signed the Constitution were also Christian. But the fact that they were Christian does NOT necessarily mean that they intended to "found" the country on "Christian principles." (By the way, you'll have to define what you mean by "Christian principles" by the way. Jesus said very clearly that if one is struck on the cheek, that one should then turn the other cheek, to allow that also to be struck. Is that one of the "Christian principles" upon which the U.S. was "founded"? Or was the U.S. only founded upon the Christian principles that are acceptable to modern-day conservatives?)

Gouveneur Morris was the apparent author of the Constitution,...

Most history books accord James Madison the honor of "Father of the Constitution." (However, it was almost certainly a group effort.)

It is not just the founders who supported Christian principles.

There is a HUGE difference between saying that the United States was "FOUNDED" upon Christian principles, and saying that the founders "SUPPORTED" Christian principles.

Benjamin Franklin (one of 6 signers of both the Constitution AND Declaration of Independence) was most certainly NOT a Christian. Only one month before he died he questioned the divinity of Jesus--which is pretty central to Christianity!!

Thomas Jefferson (principal writer of the Declaration of Independence...invited to the Constitutional Convention, but in France at the time) throughout his life also denied the divinity of Jesus. In fact, he "edited" the Bible to remove ALL references to miracles, including the Resurrection. So Jefferson was a Christian ONLY if one who denies the Resurrection and the divinity of Jesus can be a Christian. Can a Christian deny the divinity of Jesus?

So these two very important men in the founding of our country weren't Christians (unless, again, one can be a Christian even if one questions or denies the divinity of Jesus).

But that's NOT important in deciding whether the U.S. was "founded on Christian principles." To answer that question, one might look at the Treaty of Friendship and Peace with Tripoli, UNAMIMOUSLY signed approved by Senate (in 1796...a mere 20 years after the Declaration of Independence, and a mere 9 years after the Constitution), and signed into law by John Adams (signer of the Declaration of Independence, and second President of the United States):

"As the government of the United States of America is NOT IN ANY SENSE FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION (emphasis added :-)) - as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen (modern translation: Muslims)..."

U.S. not founded on the Christian religion, according to U.S. Congress of 1796

THAT makes it pretty clear--to me, at least--that the Congress of the United States, only approximately 9 years after the signing of the Constitution, was convinced that the U.S. was NOT "founded on the Christian religion."

Mark (personal opinion of Jesus--->good man, probably not divine)

54 posted on 03/15/2002 2:12:12 PM PST by Mark Bahner
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FORCE them to vote, knowing that AMERICA is watching.. so often we let them get away with things because they are counting on the fact that so many Americans THINK they are wasting their time...

We MUST not give up on this.... Keep the pressure on YOUR Senators to bring this vote to the FLOOR for a vote by the FULL senate !!!

DO NOT allow Sen. Leheay and his fellow LIBERALS on the Judiciary Committee to prevent this vote from going to the floor!!!

Advise and consent means 100 Senators not 10 !!!

Sign PETITION to SUPPORT Judge Pickering...

55 posted on 03/15/2002 2:19:01 PM PST by davidosborne
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Let me direct you to this thread for a similar point of view. This nation's strength is its morality, and that morality, like it or not, is Christian at its root.
71 posted on 03/17/2002 6:49:39 AM PST by IronJack
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Bump
76 posted on 03/17/2002 7:25:50 PM PST by RnMomof7
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Great post.

If this were an issue a jury had to vote on, the evidence would be overwhelming in the affirmative thereof.

82 posted on 03/17/2002 8:05:11 PM PST by F16Fighter
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Bookmarking and bumping! Thanks for the post.
86 posted on 03/17/2002 9:23:23 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma
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"Our nation's strength springs from founders' Christian principles "

And its weaknesses spring from abandonment of those principles.

87 posted on 03/17/2002 9:33:09 PM PST by Don Myers
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bookmarked here too!
97 posted on 04/09/2002 7:35:20 AM PDT by Terriergal
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Big bump - and when I become a JH/HS history teacher in about two years, my students will learn this. Revisionist textbooks and leftists peers be damned.
98 posted on 04/09/2002 7:45:01 AM PDT by arm958
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Time to revive an "Oldie but Goodie" for the Thanksgiving/Christmas Season.
99 posted on 11/14/2002 8:36:53 AM PST by Gargantua
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