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Border Patrol encounters Mexican soldiers: Heavily armed foreign troopers on U.S. turf near Tecate
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Saturday, March 16, 2002 | By Jon Dougherty

Posted on 03/16/2002 2:15:46 AM PST by JohnHuang2

A U.S. Border Patrol officer has encountered four heavily armed Mexican army soldiers on the U.S. side of the border near San Diego.

The soldiers, armed with three submachine guns and one M-16 rifle, crossed the border near Tecate, Mexico, while on a counter-drug mission, Border Patrol spokesman James Jacques said. They were all dressed in camouflage fatigues, said officials.

A Border Patrol agent, who was not identified in the SanDeigoChannel.com report, said he was following footsteps left by the Mexican patrol. When he encountered them, one of the Mexican soldiers had his sidearm unholstered.

The agent then unholstered his sidearm and identified himself. He told superiors the Mexican troopers then realized they were inside the U.S. and cooperated with the Border Patrol agent, who took them to a nearby Border Patrol station.

Their identities were verified by the Mexican consulate and other U.S. officials before they were returned to Mexico via the San Ysidro Port of Entry. The report did not say whether their weapons were confiscated.

"This could easily have escalated into a real tragedy," Jacques told reporters. "Thankfully, cooler heads prevailed."

The Border Patrol's Washington, D.C., headquarters did not immediately return phone calls seeking comment.

The March 10 incident signals a growing trend of Mexican military forces crossing into the United States.

In March 2000, WorldNetDaily reported that a group of Mexican soldiers fired on Border Patrol officers.

On March 14, 2000, "two Mexican army Humvees carrying about 16 armed soldiers drove across the international boundary and into the United States near Santa Teresa, New Mexico," said a statement issued at the time by the National Border Patrol Council, a union representing about 8,300 "non-supervisory" Border Patrol personnel.

There the vehicles pursued a Border Patrol vehicle, which was "outfitted with decals and emergency lights (that were activated for much of the pursuit) over a mile into the United States," the union said.

The lead Mexican army vehicle, said the council, contained nine soldiers "armed with seven automatic assault rifles, one submachine gun and two .45 caliber pistols," and was eventually apprehended by other Border Patrol units.

The second Mexican army Humvee, however, "pursued a Border Patrol agent on horseback and fired a shot at him. The soldiers then disembarked their vehicle, fired upon one more Border Patrol agent and chased another agent before fleeing [back] to Mexico in their vehicle."

Then, in November, two border patrolmen who had just disembarked from a "clearly marked Border Patrol helicopter" immediately came under fire from a 10-man unit of what appeared to be soldiers with the Mexican army, according to L. Keith Weeks, vice president of the National Border Patrol Union Local 1613 in San Diego, Calif.

The second incident reportedly occurred Oct. 24 in Copper Canyon, about eight miles east of the Otay Mesa Port of Entry.

About eight shots were fired, Weeks said. "Once other Border Patrol agents neared the scene, the soldiers retreated to Mexico and drove off in a minivan," he added.

News of the incursion comes as President Bush earlier this week convinced the House leadership to attach an amnesty bill to a series of other non-controversial bills that usually don't require much debate. The measure was passed.

Critics of Bush's bill say the granting of amnesty to millions of illegals rewards illegal behavior, worsens domestic security and demoralizes the Border Patrol and other law enforcement agencies charged with enforcing immigration laws.

On Wednesday, Bush signed into law the "Family Sponsor Immigration Act of 2002," which, the White House said, "allows an alternative family member to sign the necessary affidavit of support for an alien in the event of the death of the relative who initially filed a petition for permanent resident status for the alien."


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To: nicmarlo
Bush is, probably, selling us out for a combination of reasons.

His family has a good chance of long-term enrichment via an oil deal with Mexico.

His family could also profit by investing in businesses that rely on cheap illegal labor.

Unions receive $20.00 or more per month from every member they have, regardless of how much they make an hour or how often they work. If employers can afford to have 1 1/2 to 2 times as many employees on their rosters for the same or less than they're paying in wages and benefits, now, and they all pay the same monthly union dues, the unions make out like bandits. Bush might win some union as well as big business support with this sell-out. It worked for Senator Herb Kohl from Wisconsin.

His reasons will become evident as time goes on. Of one thing you can be sure, it's always about the money.

41 posted on 03/16/2002 6:03:09 AM PST by 4Freedom
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To: cake_crumb
1. Costs to American taxpayers increases:

Carrying Capacity Network, full article

Dr. Donald Huddle, Professor Emeritus of Economics at Rice University, found that in 1997 immigration cost the American taxpayer a net (after subtracting taxes immigrants pay) $70 billion per year, and if current trends continue, the costs for the 1998-2007 decade will be a net $932 billion. Americans are already suffering heavy levels of taxation, much of which is used for social services and related infrastructure costs associated with accommodating the newest members of our society.

According to Dr. George Borjas of Harvard University native born workers lose $133 billion annually because of job displacement and wage depression caused by immigration.

2. Encourages lawbreaking behavior for the reward of American citizenship or work status approval.

3. The INS is inefficient....and it is that agency which does background checks (which basically are no checks) into who will be allowed here. They just gave a terrorist a visa. More:

Tom Tancredo website for more info. and complete article on 245(i): Tom Tancredo

Specific reasons why Section 245(i) is a national security risk are as follows:

Allows hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens to stay permanently without going through face-to-face interviews in our embassies abroad, conducted in their native languages.

Permits people to remain here for years—20 to 30 years in some cases—with a status just above an illegal immigrant, until their name comes up on a waiting list for green cards.

Entices millions more foreign nationals to enter the country without screening to be illegal immigrants in hopes that they, too, will be rewarded for their lawbreaking.


42 posted on 03/16/2002 6:03:25 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Mom_Grandmother
You said it!!!! I like the way you think!

g

43 posted on 03/16/2002 6:09:11 AM PST by Geezerette
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To: Geezerette
Our AZ ranchers on the border are trying so hard to protect their property. It may come to a vigilante warfare status here eventually. These old ranchers still have the cojones and will die trying!

I have read several stories about the AZ ranchers. My heart goes out to them and I support any action that they may take.

I don't live on a ranch but I resent downtown Dallas being turned into downtown Mexico City.

Keep your powder dry!!

44 posted on 03/16/2002 6:11:53 AM PST by Brownie74
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To: cake_crumb
There is a mountain of evidence that we are experiencing a complete surrender of American sovereignty. The United States is a sovereign nation and our government refuses to stop the flood of foreigners. None of these foreigners has a birthright to enter this country. We, the people, can and SHOULD replace elected leaders who will not defend the border of the United States.

You might find this massive invasion of our country to be mildly amusing but the majority (millions of us) do not.

If you want to see real trouble, just watch what happens if this invasion is not halted.

We are not going to sit idly by and watch this great nation destroyed by political corruption, illegal invasion and destruction of the rule of law.

45 posted on 03/16/2002 6:13:25 AM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: Don Myers
My family has 30 votes against Bush, already. We're working to get the truth of this amnesty out to friends and associates before the next elections. If everyone on this forum does the same, we will have an impact, when it's time for the votes to be counted.

Think about it. For every one of us that votes against those that voted for this amnesty, those candidates have to find one vote to neutralize our vote and one more to put them up where they would have been had we voted for them.

These Bush-bot, traitors are giving up one vote in the hand for two in the "Bush"!

Pun intended.

LOL.

46 posted on 03/16/2002 6:20:11 AM PST by 4Freedom
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
We are not going to sit idly by and watch this great nation destroyed by political corruption, illegal invasion and destruction of the rule of law.

No you will destroy it with excessive paranoia and smearing a lot of hard working people who are doing the same thing you are, trying to live the American dream.

47 posted on 03/16/2002 6:21:46 AM PST by Dane
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To: Brownie74
One of our "Rush station" local talk show hosts, Bob Mohan, and a camera crew went down there when all the ruckus was in the news. Bob interviewed some of those ranchers and the mayor of Douglas, AZ. One rancher is in a wheelchair, and levelled his gun at 20 or 30 illegals crossing his property. HE got in big trouble for that! I think it turned out OK for him, tho.

What also made Bob Mohan and his crew sick was the trash the illegals left strewn all over the ranches. Baby diapers, food cartons and other things I'd rather not describe. He brought back pictures to prove it and our local TV news had footage, too.

That was about the time when scumbag klinton came down here nosing around fawning all over the "hispanic business" community (for votes and to give away mucho $$$$$).

I don't live near the border, thank God!

g

48 posted on 03/16/2002 6:24:14 AM PST by Geezerette
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To: Dane;NoControllingLegalAuthority
No you will destroy it with excessive paranoia and smearing a lot of hard working people who are doing the same thing you are, trying to live the American dream.

Our country was built on immigrants. That is not the problem. The problem is allowing people who come here ILLEGALLY to stay here and REWARD their criminal behavior. That is not smearing and being paranoid. Our country has borders and laws. They are being broken and Congress just said they'll reward lawbreakers.

49 posted on 03/16/2002 6:25:47 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: 4Freedom
For every one of us that votes against those that voted for this amnesty, those candidates have to find one vote to neutralize our vote and one more to put them up where they would have been had we voted for them.

And those candidates had better not take for granted or rely on the Hispanic vote that they are pandering to. I think most of those votes will go democrat.

As it stands right now, I see Bush and the pubbies going down the tube in 2004.

50 posted on 03/16/2002 6:27:28 AM PST by Brownie74
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To: 4Freedom
His reasons will become evident as time goes on. Of one thing you can be sure, it's always about the money.

We shall see....but I bet you're right.....money is at least part of the motive......trolling for votes another......I just don't understand his position if these aren't (part of) his motives.

51 posted on 03/16/2002 6:28:05 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: JohnHuang2
Check out this link:

(Tunnel Brought Mexican Drugs to America)

52 posted on 03/16/2002 6:30:06 AM PST by mrs slocombe
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To: nicmarlo
Our country was built on immigrants. That is not the problem. The problem is allowing people who come here ILLEGALLY to stay here and REWARD their criminal behavior. That is not smearing and being paranoid. Our country has borders and laws. They are being broken and Congress just said they'll reward lawbreakers.

Wow their reward in the vast majority of cases is busting their ass trying to make a better life. Look this isn't an amnesty, this is for people who are good hard working people.

53 posted on 03/16/2002 6:30:21 AM PST by Dane
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To: 4Freedom
Bush has made a serious mistake. He is turning his base against him. These guys have taken the base for granted far too long.
54 posted on 03/16/2002 6:31:32 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: Dane
Wow their reward in the vast majority of cases is busting their ass trying to make a better life. Look this isn't an amnesty, this is for people who are good hard working people.

Good hard working people, breaking the law by coming here, sending money out of the country, using hospitals and public schools for which they don't pay.....taxpayers do. Let them FOLLOW THE LAW and come here LEGALLY, pay taxes, help support the schools and services they USE......our country has BORDERS AND LAWS, they are breaking both.

55 posted on 03/16/2002 6:34:56 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: usconservative
C'mon, it's Czechoslovakia! We zip in, we pick 'em up, we zip right out again! We're not going to Moscow. It's Czechoslovakia! It's like we're going into *Wisconsin*.

That's the fact, jack

56 posted on 03/16/2002 6:34:56 AM PST by rightisright
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To: nicmarlo
The statement that the INS is "inefficient" is the about the biggest understatement in recorded history. They speak of the same INS which granted a visa to Muhammed Atta six months after he slammed a jet into the WTC.

New immigrants can't legally work without green cards. But they CAN work ILLEGALLY, while receiving Welfare, which most of them do.

None of this is new. Reform the Welfare system. Deny Welfare to illegals. Reform the INS...better yet, get rid of it, and replace it with a special division of the National Guard. I'm going to suggest an idea that nearly got the great man himself, Ronald Reagan, into serious trouble: COMBINE. Not the military, but the paramilitary, which, IMO, the INS should be a part of, because immigration IS a big part of national security.

We can't go around summarily blaming all potential immigrants to this country for the shortcomings of the INS. The amnesty thing is an imperfect first step to "reforming" the INS. It won't work. I never thought it would. The problem with the INS is that the no one WITHIN the INS knows what anyone else is doing.

The fact that amnesty won't work, however, is not proof that President Bush is a traitor who has sold "us" down the river. THAT assumption is a little over the top at this point. As is the assumption that a president with GW's approval ratings, who was only sworn in a little over a year ago, is trying to "buy votes".

57 posted on 03/16/2002 6:35:50 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: Dane
This country cannot allow in anyone who wants to come here. It is impossible. We don't even have the resources to do that. Also, mass migration would have its own effect on a nation. That is why nations have quotas.
58 posted on 03/16/2002 6:36:57 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: Geezerette
What also made Bob Mohan and his crew sick was the trash the illegals left strewn all over the ranches.

I have seen the pictures. That is what our neighborhood was beginning to look like until we took it back. We had to (and are still continuing to) rebuild a large segment of the old East Dallas Historical district.

All of this was done with private money. But, the neighborhood is beginning to look clean and bright again. It was worth it.

59 posted on 03/16/2002 6:39:45 AM PST by Brownie74
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To: nicmarlo
"Good hard working people, breaking the law by coming here, sending money out of the country, using hospitals and public schools for which they don't pay.....taxpayers do. Let them FOLLOW THE LAW and come here LEGALLY, pay taxes, help support the schools and services they USE......our country has BORDERS AND LAWS, they are breaking both."

Absolutely true. They sneak across the border, put a pregnant woman into an American hospital, and there is suddenly an American citizen in the family. If the baby is born in the US, it is a citizen. And welfare? Why should American citizens pay welfare for these people? Shouldn't immigrants be self-supporting, at least? I work damn hard for my money, and I pay enough in taxes as is. And much of those tax dollars goes to support these programs.

60 posted on 03/16/2002 6:40:55 AM PST by Don Myers
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