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Fighting Whities Mascot Causes Stir
Associated Press | Saturday, March 16, 2002 | By NICK WADHAMS

Posted on 03/16/2002 4:07:20 AM PST by JohnHuang2

DENVER (AP) - The idea started among some University of Northern Colorado students as a satirical commentary on a local high school's American Indian mascot.

The students named their intramural basketball team, made up of American Indians, Hispanics and whites, ``The Fighting Whities.'' They printed up jerseys saying ``Every thang's going to be all white,'' with a caricature of a middle-aged white man.

``The Fighting Whities,'' however, have taken on a life of their own.

More than 1,600 e-mails have flooded into the university in Greeley, north of Denver. Some say it's about time that a white person is made a mascot for a sport team. Others complain the idea as perpetuating yet another racial stereotype.

``It's obvious some of the people are taking it the way it's not supposed to be taken,'' said team member Jeff VanIwarden.

Team members have gotten phone calls from around the country and invitations to appear on television. They were mentioned by Jay Leno on the Tonight Show on Tuesday. The American Indian Movement has weighed in supporting the name.

The team chose the name after it couldn't persuade nearby Eaton High School to abandon its nickname, the Fightin' Reds, and the American Indian caricature on the team logo. The students say the logo is offensive.

The school superintendent denies the logo is derogatory and called the group's criticism insulting.

Some e-mails said the mascot image should be even more derogatory than a middle-aged white man with a tie.

``Some people online were saying that the mascot should be ... a fat guy with buckteeth kissing his sister,'' said Tom Crebbs of Oakland, Calif., who heard about the idea and started his own Web site selling spin-off shirts, hats and mugs.

Others, like Michael Gonsalves of New York, disagreed: ``If you are fighting against a perceived injustice, is the proper recourse to go out and do the very same thing?''

With all the publicity, the team plans on printing new T-shirts. VanIwarden said they will have a message condemning racial stereotypes to dissuade people from making light of the shirt.

On the Net:

The University of Northern Colorado: http://www.unco.edu

The American Indian Movement: http://www.aimovement.org


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1 posted on 03/16/2002 4:07:20 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Others, like Michael Gonsalves of New York, disagreed: ``If you are fighting against a perceived injustice, is the proper recourse to go out and do the very same thing?''

What these wonderful folks have done is point out the truth! There never was any injustice in these mascot names!

No one has ever, before this, selected a mascot to denigrate the mascot! When these folks tried to select a mascot to denigrate it, they found out that the class of people identified with the mascot liked it! This is great real-life sitcom!

2 posted on 03/16/2002 4:17:41 AM PST by SubMareener
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To: SubMareener
``It's obvious some of the people are taking it the way it's not supposed to be taken,'' said team member Jeff VanIwarden.

Obviously. And couldn't the same be said about the very thing they're complaining about? I don't recall who sponsored the poll (Sports Illustrated?) but it was something like 80% of American Indians really didn't care about what a mascot was.

3 posted on 03/16/2002 4:25:32 AM PST by zandtar
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To: JohnHuang2
``It's obvious some of the people are taking it the way it's not supposed to be taken,'' said team member Jeff VanIwarden.

Only someone steeped in the climate of race/gender politics that current schools foster wouldn't have seen this coming. Caucasians are supposed to be as thin-skinned and obsessive as these grievance-nursing groups, and it just stuns this guy that it's a hoot instead.

4 posted on 03/16/2002 4:27:29 AM PST by John Jorsett
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To: JohnHuang2
With all the publicity, the team plans on printing new T-shirts. VanIwarden said they will have a message condemning racial stereotypes to dissuade people from making light of the shirt.

does this mean they are going to print more of the "Classic" Fightin' Whities, or will this be a new and "Politically Corrected" version. Either way, I am sure these racial activists will be happy to take $$ for the shirts.

1500 orders x $20(shirt) = $30,000

5 posted on 03/16/2002 4:29:50 AM PST by rface
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To: JohnHuang2
LOL!

"Demonstrating absurdity by being absurd."


6 posted on 03/16/2002 4:32:13 AM PST by pocat
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To: JohnHuang2
Have you ever noticed this or is it just me: People are getting worked up about smaller and more trivial things every day.

Could you imagine, back in the pioneer days, someone getting upset and ready to take legal action because the name of something offended them?

Davie Crockett would be in big trouble with PETA. Custer would have been off the scale in political INcorrectness. The men defending the Alamo would have had to put down their weapons and look the other way while Santa Anna's men entered the country with their families and applied for welfare.

Political correctness is robbing us of our freedom very gradually so we won't notice it. It's like a block of cheese and they keep shaving off small slices of our freedom until it's all gone...one slice at a time and small enough to escape notice.

The liberals would like us to become a nation of door-mats and let people from other countries, including those who denounce us and openly express hatred toward us walk all over us. No pledge of allegance because it might offend one of them...the list goes on and on.

7 posted on 03/16/2002 4:32:40 AM PST by capt. norm
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To: rface
Solution: Find out what the original shirt looks like and start counterfeiting them. Talk about "backfire!"
8 posted on 03/16/2002 4:32:56 AM PST by zook
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To: JohnHuang2
"...Fightin' Reds.." "The students say the logo is offensive."

These students have been made really paranoid. They sound like losers that don't have anything better to do.

9 posted on 03/16/2002 4:34:47 AM PST by CWRWinger
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To: SubMareener
These indians have learned the lessons of greed too well from the white man.

A single t-shirt is twenty dollars.

I wanted to get one until I saw what was actually printed on the back of the shirt.

"Go Fightin' Whites"

(I thought it would say "whities")

Then the spoiler:

"Fighting the use of Native American stereotypes"

I'll keep my twenty bucks

Info available here

10 posted on 03/16/2002 4:34:55 AM PST by What Is Ain't
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To: JohnHuang2
I've thought this was funny all along. Big deal. As if any white person is offended.

Whitie, cracker, honky BUMP!

11 posted on 03/16/2002 4:35:17 AM PST by SpookBrat
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To: JohnHuang2
``Some people online were saying that the mascot should be ... a fat guy with buckteeth kissing his sister,'' said Tom Crebbs of Oakland, Calif., who heard about the idea and started his own Web site selling spin-off shirts, hats and mugs.

Ah, the refreshing smell of Capitalism.

12 posted on 03/16/2002 4:35:48 AM PST by Wrigley
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To: JohnHuang2
Have you noticed that their website describes their team as composed of "Native Americans and non-Indians"? Shouldn't that be non-Native Americans? Unless they're talking about people who are not from India.
13 posted on 03/16/2002 4:36:35 AM PST by aruanan
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To: JohnHuang2
I wish I had one of those t-shirts to wear while participating the Confederate Battle Flag/Southern Heritage event today.
14 posted on 03/16/2002 4:41:07 AM PST by CWRWinger
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To: republican; Angelique; rboatman; tame; Alamo-Girl; Zappo; backhoe; goseminoles; Balding_Eagle...
Here in Illinois, we have a university that is called (imagine this) the University of Illinois. Team nickname is the Fighting Illini. Every game sees a performance by Chief Illiniwek. His costume and his war paint are completely authentic. This tradition goes back many decades.

I also played college football at Illinois Valley Community College in Oglesby, Illinois (two-year record: 21-3, with two Midwest Bowl championships). The team nickname was the Apaches. You never saw so much war paint, heard so many war cries or saw as many Mohawk haircuts, except perhaps in a John Wayne movie.

Both of these traditions have been pursued with the greatest reverence and respect for Native American traditions. There is nothing the slightest bit denigrating about it. As an American of Swiss heritage, I would be greatly honored if a college named its teams the "Fighting Swiss."

This year, the Apaches play their final games. In the fall, they will be named something else. I know it was just a community college, but we had an outstanding team. We had a junior college All-American both years -- one of them could bench press 450 pounds and the other looked and played like a young Lawrence Taylor -- and we always sent several players as transfers to Division I schools, such as Iowa, Ohio State, Nebraska and Northwestern.

I am bummed out, dudes.

The pressure at the University of Illinois to change its team name has also been intense, but they are standing up to it much better. More power to Chief Illiniwek. May his tribe increase and find many buffalo.

15 posted on 03/16/2002 4:41:27 AM PST by Bryan
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To: JohnHuang2
"With all the publicity, the team plans on printing new T-shirts. VanIwarden said they will have a message condemning racial stereotypes to dissuade people from making light of the shirt."

I like the Fighting Whities T-shirt better.
The PC crowd is just mad that their promotion of racial hatred blew up in their faces for a change.

17 posted on 03/16/2002 4:44:57 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: CWRWinger
Pinging the Gen Custer fan club....
18 posted on 03/16/2002 4:45:04 AM PST by ken5050
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To: What Is Ain't
"Fighting the use of Native American stereotypes"

Now thats offensive!

19 posted on 03/16/2002 4:55:18 AM PST by Khepera
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To: aruanan
Have you noticed that their website describes their team as composed of "Native Americans and non-Indians"? Shouldn't that be non-Native Americans? Unless they're talking about people who are not from India.

Hell, for that matter, I'm a native Murrican and you prob'ly are too.

I just ain't no aboriginal Murrican.

Now, I do know some African-Murricans. They're whiter than I am, and speak with a sorta British accent, but they was born in Africa, by golly.

20 posted on 03/16/2002 5:03:35 AM PST by Erasmus
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To: Bryan
Oskee-wow-wow, dude.
21 posted on 03/16/2002 5:05:07 AM PST by Erasmus
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To: JohnHuang2
... ``The Fighting Whities.'' They printed up jerseys saying ``Every thang's going to be all white,'' with a caricature of a middle-aged white man ...
Is this supposed to offend me? to teach me a moral object lesson? All it does is make me laugh hysterically.
23 posted on 03/16/2002 5:07:16 AM PST by Asclepius
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To: What Is Ain't
Might as well buy a shirt ---it doesn't sound like this politically correct group can figure out much but to help the whites. If this mascot had been thought up by a white group, it would have been banned.
24 posted on 03/16/2002 5:29:44 AM PST by FITZ
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To: rface
Either way, I am sure these racial activists will be happy to take $$ for the shirts.

I'm sure some enterprising person will produce a batch of bootleg shirts. Since the graphic is all over the net, you could make iron-on transfers with special paper on an ink-jet printer

25 posted on 03/16/2002 5:39:53 AM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: SauronOfMordor
I'm white and it's alright. The shirt's a good joke on them and I would like one of my own.
26 posted on 03/16/2002 5:43:38 AM PST by Thebaddog
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To: JohnHuang2
Some radio DJ's in Denver are on a campaign to have the school change their mascot name to:

The Beavers!

It's getting funny. They want to see the new cheerleader uniforms.

27 posted on 03/16/2002 5:59:20 AM PST by gortklattu
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To: SpookBrat
Whitie, cracker, honky BUMP!

I'll add "paleface" and "gringo" to that bump.

28 posted on 03/16/2002 6:07:41 AM PST by Marauder
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To: pocat
Is that the real t-shirt image or is it one you made up? This "craze" will be short lived if that is the T-shirt.
29 posted on 03/16/2002 6:11:06 AM PST by BJungNan
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To: CWRWinger
I wish I had one of those t-shirts to wear while participating the Confederate Battle Flag/Southern Heritage event today.

Man, talk about getting something started. No one could justifiably say anything about the shirts, since they were printed and sold by another minority.

OTOH, nobody ever accused the NAALCP of embracing concepts such as logic, fairness, or balance ... or equality.

30 posted on 03/16/2002 6:15:21 AM PST by Marauder
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To: Erasmus
I just ain't no aboriginal Murrican.

Actually, there are no aboriginal Americans, only "I got here before or after you did" Americans. This is something American Indians don't like to admit. Many groups do all they can to suppress any acknowledgement that their ancestors came over from Asia or elsewhere because their scheme for being special requires them to have been here from the creation of the world (ab-origin).
31 posted on 03/16/2002 6:19:08 AM PST by aruanan
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To: JohnHuang2
``Some people online were saying that the mascot should be ... a fat guy with buckteeth kissing his sister,'' said Tom Crebbs of Oakland, Calif."

But that's not a Whitie...that's a REDneck!

BWAAAAAAAAAAH!

32 posted on 03/16/2002 6:27:54 AM PST by rvoitier
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To: JohnHuang2
I kinda like "The Fighting Honkies"
33 posted on 03/16/2002 6:29:09 AM PST by sandmanbr
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To: JohnHuang2
Finally, my own team. I'm truly honored and want to thank my father, my mother, and all those who have stood by me to this point in my life.

(I'll take the Whities AND the points for a hundred.)

34 posted on 03/16/2002 6:29:14 AM PST by savedbygrace
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To: savedbygrace; JohnHuang2
Wait, this thread IS about me, isn't it?
35 posted on 03/16/2002 6:30:16 AM PST by savedbygrace
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To: JohnHuang2
I heard a radio interview yesterday with someone representing "The University". I didn't get in at the beginning so I don't know the person's title or position. Every sentence this person uttered contained several "you know" statements. I think that "The University" should be more concerned with education than mascot colors.
36 posted on 03/16/2002 6:35:35 AM PST by FreePaul
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To: SubMareener
"What these wonderful folks have done is point out the truth! There never was any injustice in these mascot names!"

Like mascots were chosen as something to be ashamed of! Schools and teams choose mascots they can respect, admire, emulate. No insult or pejorative was ever intended - duh. More than 80% of Native Americans understand this and see no insult in traditional mascots. Just another hysterical lib non-issue.

37 posted on 03/16/2002 6:41:01 AM PST by Let's Roll
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To: BJungNan
Yep.
38 posted on 03/16/2002 6:49:31 AM PST by pocat
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To: Asclepius
This is the funniest post I've ever seen here, some people just gotta lighten up...
39 posted on 03/16/2002 6:54:46 AM PST by NYCop
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To: aruanan
Actually, there are no aboriginal Americans, only "I got here before or after you did" Americans. This is something American Indians don't like to admit. Many groups do all they can to suppress any acknowledgement that their ancestors came over from Asia or elsewhere because their scheme for being special requires them to have been here from the creation of the world (ab-origin).

There was an interesting program, I think it was Discovery Network, which proposed that the current Native Americans were not the first homo-sapiens to arrive in this hemisphere. Some archeologists have uncovered evidence that there were groups which preceded them (I think from Polynesia), and which were gradually slaughtered by the newer (i.e., our current) "Native Americans." Remnants of this original group fled farther and farther south, and the scientists found their genetic descendants down in Tierra del Fuego.

If true, this puts a damper on the Politically Correct depiction of the kind, peace-loving, gentle Native American tribes being wiped out by the EVIL Europeans.

40 posted on 03/16/2002 6:57:23 AM PST by COBOL2Java
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To: JohnHuang2
It's about time that Whites got a little recognition as possible mascots for sports teams. So far the Fighting Irish of Notre Dame is all I can recall.

The possibilities are limitless:

"The scape goats" (I know this one is already claimed by Funky Winkerbeam's team, but it fits)

"The whipping boys"

"The Bigots"

"The homophobes"

"The Sexists"

"The cross burners"

" The slavers"

"The good OL' boys" ("Good ol' girls")

" The Crackers"

" THe Honkies"

" The Red Necks"

" THe steadily employed"

" THe self sufficient"

" THe tax payers"

" The builders"

" The providers"

" The pacifists"

" The studiers"

" The doers"

" The apologists"

" The used"

" The pi$$ed on"

"The pi$$ed off"

" The lambs"

" The slaughtered"

" The providers"

"The walked on"

"The unrespected"

"The fed up"

"the mad as hell"

" THe ain't gonna take it no mores"

41 posted on 03/16/2002 7:00:12 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell
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To: Wrigley
And proceeds to be donated to a Native American charity or some such. Perhaps, the terrorist organization, A.I.M.?
42 posted on 03/16/2002 7:02:25 AM PST by thescourged1
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To: COBOL2Java
If a bunch of white guys on big Harleys wear "Fighting Whity" tee shirts, would that be politically incorrect. How about if a bunch of middle aged white women wore them to aerobics class, would that be racially insensitive? We had a black lab one time that we named "Honky" and everytime I went out and called him in our racially mixed neighborhood, you could hear the black folks laughing. He was beloved by all, white and black.
43 posted on 03/16/2002 7:03:52 AM PST by cajungirl
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To: BJungNan
See the shirts in the link in post#10.
44 posted on 03/16/2002 7:14:15 AM PST by StriperSniper
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To: COBOL2Java
If true, this puts a damper on the Politically Correct depiction of the kind, peace-loving, gentle Native American tribes being wiped out by the EVIL Europeans.

Especially since there are more Indians alive today than there were when Columbus came over.
45 posted on 03/16/2002 7:15:10 AM PST by aruanan
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To: COBOL2Java
"If true, this puts a damper on the Politically Correct depiction of the kind, peace-loving, gentle Native American tribes being wiped out by the EVIL Europeans."

They are no more peace loving than any other group of homo sapiens. They WERE nearly wiped out by Europeans. That is fact. There is no need to counter the left's attempt at changing history by changing history to make it more comfortable to the right. The descendants of the perpetrators of the crimes are NOT responsible for the sins of their fathers, but changing history is ALWAYS wrong. Two wrongs do not make a right.

There is evidence that whole tribes of native Americans in the Southwest were raided and slaughtered by tribes coming UP out of central America, too. History is HUGE and complicted, weaving a tapestry of fabulous intricacy. The more history we learn, the more clear the various patterns of the tapestry become.

Wow...I need more coffee.

46 posted on 03/16/2002 7:15:42 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: aruanan
Have you noticed that their website describes their team as composed of "Native Americans and non-Indians"? Shouldn't that be non-Native Americans? Unless they're talking about people who are not from India.

I'm a "Native American," I was born here myself although I'm of German, Swedish, Serbian, Russian, and Russian Jew lineage. As Andrew Dice Clay said so ling ago, "I'm a Native American although I don't live in a tee-pee and drive a horse to work." B-)

Seriously, I think people who worry about things like this need to get a life and a job and quit whining. I'm just getting tired of the "woe is me and my people because we were stepped on by whomever attitude" that is in the U.S. and the world today. As I see it more and more all it is is just a ploy to line up and get welfare in the form of money or other compensation instead of working for it. Some of these people would make "Dr. Smith" from the old "Lost in Space" TV show look like a model worker.

Yes, injustices do happen but to dwell on it and develop a "world owes me everything" mentality isn't the answer and is counterproductive in the long run.
48 posted on 03/16/2002 7:29:42 AM PST by Nowhere Man
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To: What Is Ain't
I wanted to get one until I saw what was actually printed on the back of the shirt.

Agreed. I went to the site you linked, clicked on 'Suggestions for a new product', and suggested 'Fighting Whities'.

49 posted on 03/16/2002 7:39:46 AM PST by Balding_Eagle
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To: JohnHuang2
My uncle Harry D.Timm Williams was the mascot for Stanford University for 21 years. He was called "Prince Lightfoot". They ousted him and changed the name to the Stanford Cardinals. At the time they said he was desecrating sacred Indian rituals etc (same old story) In fact he made his own costume and made up all of his own dancing. It had nothing to do with our tribe (Yuroks) or any other. At the time there were two Indian students and only a few blacks that pushed for this and got it passed. To this day the Alumni Association would like to change back to the "Indians" but the school will not have anything to do with it. I have his Indian Costume and it has been offered to Stanford for there Archives or Museum but they dont want it or anything to do with it. Like everything else these days they are trying to change History for political correctness.
50 posted on 03/16/2002 7:44:35 AM PST by fish hawk
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