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The Church They Love To Hate
lewrockwell.com ^ | March 20, 2002 | David Dieteman

Posted on 03/20/2002 9:27:32 AM PST by heyheyhey

The Church They Love to Hate

by David Dieteman

The news media loves nothing so much as to bash the Catholic Church.

Consider the recent cover of Newsweek, headlined "Sex, Shame and the Catholic Church."

Clearly, this is designed to be a devastating cover, a dagger aimed at the hearts and hope of those faithful Catholics unsure of how to puzzle out the apparent failings of their leaders. I am referring, of course, to the current media storm over allegations of pedophilia.

This is not to say that the alleged handling of any case of pedophilia is above criticism, or that the Church is above criticism. Priests are supposed to be worthy of trust, and not predators. Priests are supposed to provide guidance for the salvation of souls, and not moral corruption. Moreover, if the Church mishandled any alleged incidents of pedophilia out of concern for dealing with an alleged shortage of priests, this too may be laid at the feet of the Church: for the past 30 years, the Catholic schools have taught that all religions are equally valid, thereby discouraging many young men from entering the challenging life of the priesthood. In summary, the allegations of pedophilia and of cover-ups are serious and greatly disturbing.

On the other hand, the American news media is not in any moral position to render judgment on the Church.

The cover of Newsweek mentioned above is hypocritical, to be blunt. Recall that Newsweek refused to run Michael Isikoff's investigative reports on Bill Clinton's extra-marital affairs until the stories were already quite old.

The reason for this journalistic double-standard is quite obvious. The men and women who decide what daily events shall qualify as "news" dearly wanted to be on Bill Clinton's good side. Being on the good side of a man of loose morals like Mr. Clinton allowed them to get scoops, to get invited to hot Washington parties, and to feel important. And that, after all, is what matters in life. All the "right people" adored Bill Clinton, and were ready and willing to cover up his infidelities and abuses.

Where the Roman Catholic Church is concerned, however, the media knows its enemy. Consider the pompous New York Times. During the Second World War, New York Times editorials praised the work of Pope Pius XII in protecting European Jews from the National Socialists. Fifty years later, the "paper of record" has a case of amnesia, as it routinely accuses the same Pope of nearly conspiring in the Holocaust.

Perhaps this should come as no surprise: the Times still has the Pulitzer won by Walter Duranty in the 1930s. Duranty was an eyewitness to Joseph Stalin's terror famine who dutifully filled the Times with glowing accounts of the glories of Communism.

Where the news media is concerned, the Catholic Church is a rival. To understand this rivalry, it is necessary to understand the nature of the press. There is nothing inherently anti-religious about a printing press, a typewriter, a computer, a modem, or a television. Indeed, the Church itself publishes newspapers, runs television stations, and is on the Internet. The conflict, then, is a human conflict, i.e., a conflict between men and women with different visions for the world. To summarize: there are those who despise the moral teachings of the Church, and who strive to destroy the credibility of the Church.

Consider the cartoonist Don Wright of the Palm Beach Post, whose recent cartoon depicted a woman complaining that the Church tells her what to do with her body, but does not similarly condemn pedophiles.

Wright's cartoon is sheer nonsense, at best a cheap attempt at humor. But his goal is serious: to undermine the notion that abortion is evil by claiming that the Church is hypocritical.

This is foolish for several reasons. First, whether or not abortion is evil is wholly unrelated to the moral goodness (or evil) of the one contending that abortion is evil, just as the truth of the fact that gasoline is not good for human consumption does not depend on the morality of the man who tells you not to drink gasoline. Wright's insulting humor is merely an attempt to distract the weak-minded (and willingly led) from the real issue.

Second, contrary to Wright's offensive cartoon, the Church does not advocate pedophilia. At most, Wright might argue that the Church has failed to adequately punish known pedophiles and prevent their doing further harm.

Here, Wright may have a point. It may be the case that certain men should have been dealt with differently than they were; this, however, is a factual question, and I do not claim to know sufficient facts to say much more than that. Even if this is the case, however, it cannot excuse or explain the cover of Newsweek or the silliness of Don Wright's cartoon.

What explains the rage directed at the Catholic Church? At the most basic level, human beings are emotional; their emotions short-circuit thought and thereby drive them to do silly things. If you doubt this, go to a political rally and watch alleged "adults" dress up as for a wrestling match and cheer for no-name stuffed suits running for office as if picking sides for Armageddon. People are prone to foolishness.

Moreover, our lives can tend to grow boring. We work, we go home, we whine and complain. And it's fun to go berserk condemning a public scandal because everyone is outraged. Individual intelligent thought is replaced by mindless group think and the herd mentality.

Finally, it is easy to hate the Church. Those who are not Catholics may easily distrust what they do not understand. Many who call themselves Catholic may also hate what they do not understand. And many who cannot tolerate any views but their own, or who regard moral instructions as condemnation, despise the Church precisely because they do understand.

The Church will endure all such criticism, scandals, and abuses. Those who hate the Church are the inheritors of the French revolutionaries whose mass executions of priests were designed to obliterate the Church. Priests were executed in the Mexican Revolution as well, and they are persecuted in China today. In England and Ireland, during the Penal Laws, priests had a bounty on their heads. The Church, however, has endured all these things, and will endure countless others until the end of time.

The French revolutionaries did not get their wish. Neither will Newsweek or the New York Times.

No matter how the Church may have mishandled any alleged incidents of pedophilia, the Church remains the Church. One hopes and prays that any necessary reforms will be made with due consideration and speed, and that those whose lives were affected may be healed, and that they may forgive those who wronged them. In the end, no matter how much the media may love a scandal, and the rising magazine sales it brings, the moral authority of the Church will endure.


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1 posted on 03/20/2002 9:27:32 AM PST by heyheyhey
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To: heyheyhey
The Catholic Church has tolerated and excused this behavior for decades. Is it your contention that the news media [who are a long way from being my favorite people] should ignore this matter --- as many apologists in the Catholic Church appear to be doing?
2 posted on 03/20/2002 9:36:43 AM PST by curmudgeonII
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To: Bush2000;Tennessee_Bob;livius;MudPuppy;saradippity;HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity;Kevin Curry...
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3 posted on 03/20/2002 9:41:59 AM PST by heyheyhey
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To: sinkspur
FYI -- Hatred of the good for being the good is typical within evil ideologies and evil philosophies.
4 posted on 03/20/2002 9:44:08 AM PST by thinktwice
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To: heyheyhey
True, the media does love to bash the Catholic Church, and usually they are permitted to do so in a way that would not be tolerated with other religions. However, for the most part, this time the bashing is well deserved.
5 posted on 03/20/2002 9:47:20 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: heyheyhey
It's not the church that's disgusting the public, it's the behavior of high-level authorities within the church. Illustrating my point is the fact that, in general, Pope John Paul is one of the highest esteemed men in the world, and the Catholic Church is an accepted part of fabric of American life. JFK was a Catholic, as is his brother Ted.

The only aspect I can agree with regarding the media is its hypocrisy regarding pedophilia in the Catholic Church and pedophelia in the Boy Scouts. Why is one so loathesome and one so defensible? And don't feel alone in your persecution - the media hates Protestants as well.

6 posted on 03/20/2002 9:51:03 AM PST by steenkeenbadges
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To: heyheyhey
This is a great article. He should have singled out CNN as well.
7 posted on 03/20/2002 9:55:45 AM PST by RamsNo1
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To: heyheyhey
Mm. Do you suppose it could have anything to do with the fact that this church claims to be The Only One and True Real-Live Church of Jesus Christ On Earth, that it claims to speak with the voice of God independently of Scripture, that it demands such devotion of its adherents that when it says white is black they are forced to compel their minds to accept the absurd, and that it pretends that it is One Happy Seamless Garment, while other so-called Christians are just hopelessly-divided little Johnny-Come-Latelies?

Could it have anything to do with that, do you think?

Dan
What Is Biblical Christianity?

8 posted on 03/20/2002 9:56:53 AM PST by BibChr
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To: curmudgeonII
The news media has gone beyond reporting this story to where they are judging the Catholic Church itself. Since when does the Clinton-loving whore media have the right to do that?
9 posted on 03/20/2002 9:58:38 AM PST by RamsNo1
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To: nina0113;patent
ping
10 posted on 03/20/2002 10:00:17 AM PST by Steve1789
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To: BibChr
Does it feel good to have hatred in your heart like this? I have never heard in my Catholic church such hatred of Protestants, Jews or Muslims. This is all in your mind and said with a perspective of an outsider.
11 posted on 03/20/2002 10:01:42 AM PST by RamsNo1
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
For the most part, this time the bashing is well deserved.

No excuses for abuses.
I have my doubts though if this is done this time for the good of the children.
Where were the media, back in the 70's when those atrocities took place?
And, what are the true reasons why it is ALL NOW SUDDENLY brought up???

12 posted on 03/20/2002 10:01:46 AM PST by heyheyhey
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To: heyheyhey
We have a friend who is 59 and was quite wild in his younger days. He was molested by a priest at the age of 7 and kept the secret till the age of 43. He has since hated both the church and authority in general. He has not come forward publicly and will not. The deadline for bringing charges against pedophiles is 6 yrs in Maine.

In his own words (and I agree) the church has covered up for these perverts for way too long. "It's about time!"

Yesterday on the Michael Savage Show they were taking calls with the question "Why are so many homosexuals attracted into the priesthood?" Do "freepers" have any idea?

13 posted on 03/20/2002 10:03:53 AM PST by arepublicifyoucankeepit
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To: BibChr
Could it have anything to do with that, do you think?

Nope. Don't project your rationale onto the media, they have their own.

14 posted on 03/20/2002 10:05:33 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: heyheyhey
"The news media loves nothing so much as to bash the Catholic Church."

Note to the media

15 posted on 03/20/2002 10:05:42 AM PST by EdReform
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To: arepublicifyoucankeepit
"Why are so many homosexuals attracted into the priesthood?"

Same reason they're attracted to the public schools, the Boy Scouts, community theatre programs, youth sports leagues, and protestant churches. It's where the boys are. (Think of Willie Sutton and banks.) The problem is homosexual pederasts. Any "reporter" who isn't willing to come out and say that isn't telling you the truth.

AB

16 posted on 03/20/2002 10:10:13 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: heyheyhey
I bet you dollars to donuts that during the same period there have been more incidents of your honorable representatives in Washington screwing young interns. Where is the media on that? Can't undermine the faith in the Constitutional Republic, can we? I for one refuse to let the media communists to lead me by the nose and dictate what is deserving at any given moment to be considered a scandal. You ask a good question: why all of a sudden now? That, I think is worthy discussion more than anything else, as the anything else has been beaten to death elsewhere plenty enough. Why now? Has the Church been gaining moral authority amidst the populace lately? Has the Church of Abortion on Demand been losing the faithfull? (I dunno, I'm asking!)
17 posted on 03/20/2002 10:11:03 AM PST by Revolting cat!
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To: BibChr
Mm. Do you suppose it could have anything to do with the fact that this church claims to be The Only One and True Real-Live Church of Jesus Christ On Earth, that it claims to speak with the voice of God independently of Scripture, that it demands such devotion of its adherents that when it says white is black they are forced to compel their minds to accept the absurd, and that it pretends that it is One Happy Seamless Garment, while other so-called Christians are just hopelessly-divided little Johnny-Come-Latelies? Could it have anything to do with that, do you think?

I think this is only relevant to the members of whatever Christian denominations spend an inordinate amount of time teaching their members arguments to rund down other faiths. That doesn't include many people in the press, I'll bet.

The Catholics think they are right, just as you think you are right. As a non-Catholic, I don't think that's a reason to hate either one of you.

18 posted on 03/20/2002 10:23:12 AM PST by lady lawyer
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To: heyheyhey
The news media loves nothing so much as to bash the Catholic Church.

Ah that they do and what has the response from the American Cardinals
SIT BACK AND TAKE IT
Now I see why. They are spineless mobes who are only good for covering up crimes, pushing socialism, and backing gun control and were all over REAGAN's nuclear policy . And do nothing when so called catholic senators and congressman openly sponsor all forms of abortion
19 posted on 03/20/2002 10:24:02 AM PST by uncbob
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To: arepublicifyoucankeepit
As a Roman Catholic, I am sincerely sorry for the abuse of your friend by a Catholic priest.

I hope the scandals will result in a purer, holier and wiser Church, with no perverts among her clergy.

20 posted on 03/20/2002 10:25:18 AM PST by heyheyhey
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To: steenkeenbadges
It's not the church that's disgusting the public, it's the behavior of high-level authorities within the church.

Well a hell of a lot of the church members are disgusting me
Especially those wonderful catholics in Boston who send pro abortion, pro homsexual agenda Teddy Kennedy back to the senate every 6 years
21 posted on 03/20/2002 10:26:54 AM PST by uncbob
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To: uncbob
Good point there. Even my parish priest decries the wimpiness of many bishops and priests on those issues.
22 posted on 03/20/2002 10:28:24 AM PST by GenXFreedomFighter
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To: arepublicifyoucankeepit
"Why are so many homosexuals attracted into the priesthood?"

Because it's a good place to be if you don't want to tell your father that you're gay or tell your mother why you're not married.

23 posted on 03/20/2002 10:33:50 AM PST by geaux
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To: RamsNo1
Hm. So you can't really answer the questions without playing God and reading my mind? And wrongly, at that?

So there's something worth exploring, for you. Those questions threaten you at some deep level. There are other ways of dealing, you know, than denial.

Dan

24 posted on 03/20/2002 10:35:49 AM PST by BibChr
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To: RamsNo1
Does it feel good to have hatred in your heart like this? I have never heard in my Catholic church such hatred of Protestants, Jews or Muslims. This is all in your mind and said with a perspective of an outsider.

I am not Catholic, but my sympathies are with them on this one.  However, as one who has lived in South America, I can attest that there is plenty of official bashing of protestants by catholics.  You don't hear about it so much in the developed countries, but it is every bit as vicious as the anti-catholic tirade you hear amongst some in the U.S.

Be that as it may, I think that the media is far worse.
25 posted on 03/20/2002 10:37:12 AM PST by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
I'm not convinced you really thought my questions through. If I say — loudly, publicly, and repeatedly — that I run the cleanest house in the world and someone finds moldy tile and makes a big deal of it — why'd that happen? What made it a big story?

Dan

26 posted on 03/20/2002 10:37:28 AM PST by BibChr
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To: steenkeenbadges
The only aspect I can agree with regarding the media is its hypocrisy regarding pedophilia in the Catholic Church and pedophelia in the Boy Scouts.

And ain't it sad that the Boy Scout leaders have done far more and have had more resolve against abandonning their boys to the predators than those wonderful cardinals. The Scout leaders went to the supreme court to protect their boys while the cardinals welcomed the homosexuals with open arms to the seminary
27 posted on 03/20/2002 10:38:09 AM PST by uncbob
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To: lady lawyer
I'm with you. This has nothing to do with hate. I just wonder why my plain-sense questions are so hard to deal with rationally and honestly. I have my guesses, sure; but I still wonder.

Dan

28 posted on 03/20/2002 10:38:41 AM PST by BibChr
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To: BibChr
Could it have anything to do with that, do you think?

Many Christian denominations suffer moral crisis these days. Homosexuals and feminazis were let to run churches their preferred ways. The Catholic Church stood far ahead of the rest as a moral authority until very recently. Remember presidential visit to Vatican and the discussion on human cloning and stem cell research?

I hope all this will bring about much needed reforms in the Church.

29 posted on 03/20/2002 10:41:47 AM PST by heyheyhey
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To: uncbob
…while the cardinals welcomed the homosexuals with open arms to the seminary

So sad.

30 posted on 03/20/2002 10:47:47 AM PST by heyheyhey
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To: heyheyhey
Many Christian denominations suffer moral crisis these days. Homosexuals and feminazis were let to run churches their preferred ways.

One of the reasons that this occurs is because of the christians themselves

Too damn many of them vote for the socialistic, pro abortion, homosexual agenda pushing creep politicians. They do it because they were born democrats or they think the socialistics are going to give them something for nothing . If these bums were voted out of office the whole climate would change
31 posted on 03/20/2002 10:49:01 AM PST by uncbob
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To: BibChr
If I say — loudly, publicly, and repeatedly — that I run the cleanest house in the world and someone finds moldy tile and makes a big deal of it — why'd that happen?

There are always going to be bad people and weaklings in the Church - because it's made up of people! The Church has always said this. Just as Judas betrayed Christ, there will always be Judases who betray their covenant with God. This isn't the first scandal the Church has survived, and it won't be the last.

32 posted on 03/20/2002 10:50:40 AM PST by GenXFreedomFighter
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To: heyheyhey
I think I basically agree with what you're saying... I think. But one point that I think is missed by many is this: while RC apologists strike the pose that the RC is utterly unified and one, while Protestantism has 25 tetrazillion denominations, the truth is that the RCC contains within itself 25 tetrazillion denominations.

For instance, to take up from what you're saying, in Protestantism there are denominations in which homosexuality is tolerated: United Methodist and (the ironically named) United Church of Christ.

Homosexuality is — as we see — also tolerated in the RCC. Just not formally, and not outwardly, and within the overarching organization.

Dan

33 posted on 03/20/2002 10:52:36 AM PST by BibChr
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To: thinktwice
FYI -- Hatred of the good for being the good is typical within evil ideologies and evil philosophies.

There's nothing good about pederasty. Covering it up is even worse.

I hate to see this, but the bishops made their bed and now they've got to lie in it.

34 posted on 03/20/2002 10:59:32 AM PST by sinkspur
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To: BibChr
that it demands such devotion of its adherents that when it says white is black they are forced to compel their minds to accept the absurd,

Dan, your hatred of the Catholic Church is bigoted and hateful.

A Jekyll-side of your otherwise pleasant personna.

35 posted on 03/20/2002 11:02:29 AM PST by sinkspur
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To: BibChr
Nice rant.

Could it have anything to do with that, do you think?

Not very Christian of you there, Dan.

36 posted on 03/20/2002 11:03:57 AM PST by Cable225
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To: GenXFreedomFighter
Mm; but if you'd listened to as many RC apologists as I have, you'd have heard again and again about how united and perfect the RCC is, unlike all other churches, because it is The One True Organization. And we are talking about church officials who, themselves, are under the care of other officials. So what part of the RCC is perfect and flawless? Only the Pope? Nobody living? But something is supposed to be perfect about it, or so the defenders say.

Dan

37 posted on 03/20/2002 11:04:12 AM PST by BibChr
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To: BibChr; lady lawyer; PBRSTREETGANG; all
I just wonder why my plain-sense questions

Snicker... Snort... Chortle... GUFFAW!!! ROFL!!!. Danny boy, nothing you have to say regarding the Catholic Church is "plain sense". That you have the effrontery to style your snide, sarcastic, and dishonest question as "plain-sense" reveals much about you, none of it good.

I'll answer, though, for the sake of lurkers. Stripped of its illogical baggage, your question is "How can the Church founded by Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ, the Son of God, have sinners in it?" I suggest you ask Judas Iscariot, he might have an answer for you. You might also ask Simon Peter. He might have some insight into the matter. Jesus promised the He would be with us, His Church, always, and the the gates of Hell would not prevail against His Church. He didn't promise there wouldn't be a few evil people amongst us.

AB

38 posted on 03/20/2002 11:04:25 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: sinkspur
Would you please quote the hateful questions, above, and relate the times I've treatedy you hatefully?

And it it's so low, perhaps you could answer the questions? A couple have been brave enough to have an honest go at it. How could you be threatened by the prospect?

And while you're at it, explain to me the difference between a bigot and someone who has principled points of disagreement.

Dan

39 posted on 03/20/2002 11:06:54 AM PST by BibChr
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To: BibChr
Sorry, I couldn't answer your whole question in #8 as it insinuates a number of things that are not true about the Catholic Church.
This is the Catholic Church's stance on homosexuality.
40 posted on 03/20/2002 11:07:14 AM PST by heyheyhey
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To: curmudgeonII
The Catholic Church has tolerated and excused this behavior for decades. Is it your contention that the news media [who are a long way from being my favorite people] should ignore this matter --- as many apologists in the Catholic Church appear to be doing?

I don't think anybody's saying that the media should ignore this problem; however, demonizing the Church on the basis of a few individuals is like demonizing the entire federal government for what happened at Waco. It's a disconnect. And when you consider the agenda of the gay, left-wing socialists in the media who would like nothing more than a dissolution of organized religion and all opposition to their hedonism, you can make the case that the media is deliberately exaggerating the problem to score points with the addle-brained readers.
41 posted on 03/20/2002 11:07:52 AM PST by Bush2000
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To: GenXFreedomFighter
This isn't the first scandal the Church has survived, and it won't be the last.

Yes, but nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition.

42 posted on 03/20/2002 11:08:05 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Cable225
Which part isn't Christian? Quote that part, please. Is it un-Christian to think, or to ask questions? Some have caricatured that as being the RC position: don't think, don't ask questions. Do you agree?

Dan

43 posted on 03/20/2002 11:08:40 AM PST by BibChr
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To: heyheyhey
I'm Catholic, and as much as I detest the lack of courage in the church for identifying and rooting out these homosexual priests, and instead moving them on to other parishes to continue their destruction, I will hold on to my faith and pray that better angels will look out for us. Great article!
44 posted on 03/20/2002 11:09:00 AM PST by gohabsgo
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To: Frumious Bandersnatch
The polemical bandying back and forth between Catholics and Protestants varies depending upon the cultural, social, and class contexts, as well as with the history of antagonisms in the region. Some Catholics do have a strong dislike of or distaste for certain kinds of Protestantism. But this also seems to have a lot to do with personality types and education. Where Catholics have been systematically marginalized (since the 1600s), the tensions tend to get higher. You will notice that for both Protestants and Catholics, some of them become more interested in defining their theological differences as they progress in studies. Anti-Catholicism tended to become more pronounced in the U.S.during the 19th century as the numbers of European immigrants who were Catholic increased and, hence, they were seen as a sort of political threat. Over 150 years later, with no papal monarchy having materialized here, one would think that things ought to have settled down. But, alas, along came abortion and the sexual revolution, so the secular humanist libs began the agitation once again when the Church was seen as a menacing adversary to their social engineering agenda.
45 posted on 03/20/2002 11:11:03 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: heyheyhey
Thanks for a substantive, if partial, answer. But where does the buck stop? If it is legitimate for an RC to point at "Protestantism" and say "See how divided they are?", why is it not at least equally legitimate for a non-RC to point at the RCC, which contains within itself anointed church officials who condone and enable such activity, and similarly say "See how divided they are?"

Dan

46 posted on 03/20/2002 11:12:44 AM PST by BibChr
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To: uncbob
Bump
47 posted on 03/20/2002 11:14:38 AM PST by EdReform
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To: Dog Gone
Yes, but nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition.

Unfortunately, we've had rather the opposite of the Spanish Inquisition. We've tolerated feminists, queers, new-agers, and other assorted malefactors for the past 30 years or so, and pederasts in Roman collars are the result. They, and the people in the diocesan bureaucracies who let them in, need to be ripped out root and branch. Protestants, athletic leagues, school teachers take note: your organisations are also tempting targets for pederasts. They go where the boys are. The Boy Scouts have exactly the right idea: no queers allowed.

AB

48 posted on 03/20/2002 11:15:22 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: BibChr
Which part isn't Christian? Quote that part, please. Is it un-Christian to think, or to ask questions? Some have caricatured that as being the RC position: don't think, don't ask questions. Do you agree?

I don't know that I can point to a specific "part". Rather the overall tone where one can hear the venom dripping off the words is what raised my eyebrows.

Question anything you like, I know I had some serious in-depth questions for my pastor. It just seems to me, a guy going by the name BibChr would either look at things more objectively, or make a more concerted effort to disguise his disdain for the Catholic church.

It seems your biggest problem is the Catholic belief that we are the "one, true Church" of Jesus Christ. If that's the cause of your bitterness, my advice to you is get over it.

49 posted on 03/20/2002 11:16:39 AM PST by Cable225
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To: Cable225
See, here's what I think. When someone asks unarguably legitimate questions, and people can only find it in themselves to guess at and attack his emotional state, psychology, and motivation (rather than respond to the questions) —

— it really probably isn't his problem.

Dan

50 posted on 03/20/2002 11:22:32 AM PST by BibChr
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