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State Sponsored Terrorism? (OKC Bombing and 9/11/02 Attack Suspects Connected by FBI)
Fox News ^ | March 20, 2002 | John Gibson

Posted on 03/21/2002 1:17:24 PM PST by OKCSubmariner

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:32:57 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

I attended the execution of Tim McVeigh and I had no doubt it was the right thing to do

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: 911attacks; okcbombing
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To: Nita Nupress; Wallaby; Thinden; Mancini
"One of the reasons we managed to dig out the facts on the Akal/Teg Security threads was because we didn't get sidetracked."

Nita, I don't know that you recall this detail, but Wallaby can address it from his recollection: I had been HARPING on the detail that we needed to know WHO was in charge of Security for the Murrah Bldg. I could find NO references to it.

That had not been covered. Wallaby, whether because of my repetition or not, dug out an article that mentioned TEG. When I tried to find anything on them I'd draw a blank. Wallaby kept digging and found more that related to AKAL. It went from there.

Now with regard to mentioning NWO stuff, I'll not stop that for my part. Simply because, to me, that it is the logic behind the majority of what is occuring and accellerating. If folks don't want to hear it, fine. Recall your experience with quidam, it reached no conclusion. Did it?

What I'm saying is that planting the seeds of a logical answer to strange, and by individual review of details, un-connected major events is to me a method that has worked in the past. It may get some of us labeled KooKs, but I, speaking for myself, do not care.

I'm not a missionary, nor a crusader that MUST succeed. I'll just put my thoughts and opinions out there, and if others dismiss them, so be it. We're in a very fast countdown now.

I'm sorry you feel some of us are using the wrong methods, but that's the way it'll be. O.K.

41 posted on 03/22/2002 9:21:52 AM PST by rdavis84
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To: Fred Mertz
Fred I just put NDCORUP's input in the above reply for him ;-)
42 posted on 03/22/2002 9:23:50 AM PST by rdavis84
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To: glorygirl,Nita Nupress,golitely,Ronneil,ratcat,rdavis84,archy,lawdog,Uncle Bill,backhoe,Wm Bach,D
Correction for last paragraph:

"There is no doubt that there is a World Governance (NWO, New World Order, World Government,etc.) with a clear well established agenda and a presence in the US, in the EU, in corporations and in COngress and in the US government AND IN THE UN. Stating that does not make one a NWO conspiracy nut. It is fact."

43 posted on 03/22/2002 9:25:24 AM PST by OKCSubmariner
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To: OKCSubmariner
Johnny Islam Love Doe #2 OKC Bump
44 posted on 03/22/2002 9:27:57 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: OKCSubmariner
"Stating that does not make one a NWO conspiracy nut. It is fact."

And that's very clearly stated. Thanks.

45 posted on 03/22/2002 9:33:52 AM PST by rdavis84
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To: rdavis84
A good response to Nita's, rd. While I can fully understand her perspective, for those of us who believe that these kinds of events are not events unto themselves, that they are connected as part of an overall assault, NOT connecting them is going against the grain. The point is well made that some folks are turned off and would benefit from information in increments. Heck, my eyes glaze over fairly frequently. But my first concern is that I really don't think we have the luxury of time here.
46 posted on 03/22/2002 10:03:19 AM PST by mancini
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To: rdavis84; OKCSubmariner
Nita, I don't know that you recall this detail, but Wallaby can address it from his recollection: I had been HARPING on the detail that we needed to know WHO was in charge of Security for the Murrah Bldg. I could find NO references to it.

That had not been covered. Wallaby, whether because of my repetition or not, dug out an article that mentioned TEG. When I tried to find anything on them I'd draw a blank. Wallaby kept digging and found more that related to AKAL. It went from there.

You are exactly right, and you and Wallaby deserve all the credit for the topic even being researched.  Your work was stupendous on those threads and it shows what Freepers can do when they stay concentrated on the topic at hand.  My point was, we went through 6 entire threads with the luxury of not having to swat off the shills because we stayed on topic.   They were unable to sidetrack the ongoing research and conversation by focusing on any "Nutwing" topics.  They were unable to sidetrack us and marginalize our work because we didn't bring up the topics that marginalize in the first place. 

In my ever-so-humble opinion, it's a shame to waste the enormous talents of two individuals such as yourselves just because you're unwilling and/or unable to think strategically.  Instead, you insist on cluttering up the OKC investigation with your irrelevant (to everyone else) opinions about the Bush family and the ever-dreaded Bilderberger Gang.  The OKC bombing can and should be investigated without dragging all that garbage into it.  If that's where it ends up, then fine, that's where it ends up and we'll deal with it.  I just think it's doing the main participants (Ms. Davis, Larry Johnson, Shippers, etc.) a disservice by dragging it out now just to make your point.

That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it.   Hugs to both of you. :)

 

47 posted on 03/22/2002 10:05:39 AM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: mancini
P.S. Better to sound the alarms beforehand and risk being called a kook by folks than to have them say later "Why didn't anyone say anything?"
48 posted on 03/22/2002 10:06:11 AM PST by mancini
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To: OKCSubmariner
I just sent you e-mail re: a Mr. lawson who was just on Fox News he is part of a Judicial Watch lawsuit re" Iraq involvement in the OKC Bombing". Lawson had "no facts" and was not a good advocate. Lawson did mention that the feds were withholding security camera video showing Doe #2 getting out of the truck with Mcveigh but the " reporter" skipped over it. She is either pretty stupid or was too intimidated to go there.

The "reporter" also took the opportunity to "debunk" a report supposedly from a US News and World reporter who allegedly claimed that Mcveigh had Iraq telephone numbers in his wallet when he was arrested.She said she called the reporter and he now claims that the information was "just a joke" circulated sometime after the bombing. Some friggin joke. She named the reporter in question but I don't recall his name.

49 posted on 03/22/2002 10:10:00 AM PST by lawdog
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To: rdavis84
Should have sent this to you, not myself:

P.S. Better to sound the alarms beforehand and risk being called a kook by folks than to have them say later "Why didn't anyone say anything?"

50 posted on 03/22/2002 10:12:12 AM PST by mancini
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To: lawdog
P.S One minor correction RE; Doe #2 the reporter didn't as much skip over it but tried to say Doe #2 was id'ed as a "soldier" I believe referring to Fortier. Lawson corrected her and said no "not when renting the truck" but at OKC just prior to the bombing. Lawson also said that the building was brought down by additional devices "inside" the building the reporte looked puzzled and changed the topic.
51 posted on 03/22/2002 10:19:42 AM PST by lawdog
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To: mancini
"Why didn't anyone say anything?"

Exactly. And one of the beautiful things about a collection of people with generally the same goal, it that their lives and therefore their perspectives, are different.

The freedom we've had as a Nation has proven out that people who are free to think on their own are the best source of Contribution to the Nation's Society. That's a fatal weakness in those who are trying to Structure the Thoughts of more of the citizens every day and in more and stricter confines.

It's the fatal weakness in the two Party system. GroupThink --- Repub vs. Dem --- leads to numbness of the mind. It also diminishes FreeWill. Why make difficult choices? Our Leaders will take care of that!

It's a way of life I can't accept.

52 posted on 03/22/2002 10:25:13 AM PST by rdavis84
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To: takenoprisoner
I'm finishing the book The Selling of "Free Trade": NAFTA, Washington, and the Subversion of American Democracy, by John R. MacArthur. At some point in the book, he quotes a political operative as saying that a Republican president could never have had NAFTA adopted because, in opposition, almost all Democrats in Congress would have opposed it. He doesn't make the same point about GATT, but I should think the same thing is true for it.

Point is, our ruling class had a strong reason in 1992 to want to have a Democratic president in office who would play ball with them.

53 posted on 03/22/2002 10:39:31 AM PST by aristeides
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To: OKCSubmariner
"There is no doubt that there is a World Governance (NWO, New World Order, World Government,etc.) with a clear well established agenda and a presence in the US, in the EU, in corporations and in COngress and in the US government AND IN THE UN. Stating that does not make one a NWO conspiracy nut. It is fact."

OK...I can almost buy that, EXCEPT for the fact that the UN and EU have been solely anti-USA for some time...shouldn't we all be getting along?

54 posted on 03/22/2002 10:52:18 AM PST by Mojo-jo-jo
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To: Mojo-jo-jo
I don't know about that. Didn't congress agree to cough up all those UN "dues". Did we not bomb Slobo for the EU interest via NATO ? "We" are on the "march" to unify " North America" similar to the EU .
55 posted on 03/22/2002 11:43:07 AM PST by lawdog
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To: lentulusgracchus; Nita Nupress; Fred Mertz; rdavis84
the thing that's got me is cheney has been drummin up coalition support for an anticipated attack on iraq. about the same with powell.

the administration keeps saying the justification for expanding the war on terrorism to include saddam hussein is that his "state sponsored" training and financial support for al queda/osama bin laden in WTCII.

it seems our own goverment is going to great links to make the Iraqi connection to 9/11 in order to start the bombing of baghdad while the ME connections to murrah are very well defined. according to several sources, even several of the players overlap from WTC - truck bomb to OKC, to 9/11.

I hope the truth will find its way out on all the issues.

56 posted on 03/22/2002 12:45:39 PM PST by thinden
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To: aristeides
Point is, our ruling class had a strong reason in 1992 to want to have a Democratic president in office who would play ball with them.

Perhaps there is something here, I don't know. I do know that I am becoming more and more disillusioned with our political process. IOWs, am beginning to seriously doubt it's credibility.

57 posted on 03/22/2002 4:26:59 PM PST by takenoprisoner
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To: OKCSubmariner
bump
58 posted on 03/22/2002 4:29:25 PM PST by BlackJack
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To: rdavis84; OKCSubmariner
Are you guys still talking to me? My husband says I'm PMS'ing, if that helps.
59 posted on 03/22/2002 4:36:29 PM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: Nita Nupress
"Are you guys still talking to me? My husband says I'm PMS'ing, if that helps."

No!!! I'm NOT going to talk to you! And I'm holding my breath 'til I turn Blue, too! So there. ;-)

Go easy on your hubby, and have some Chocolate. I heard that helps.

60 posted on 03/22/2002 4:46:18 PM PST by rdavis84
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