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Who wins and who loses under campaign finance bill
CNN.com ^ | March 20, 2002 | CNN Staff

Posted on 03/22/2002 10:32:00 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:00:18 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

National parties: Opponents argue that the national parties will be the big losers because they will be deprived of unregulated "soft money" contributions, which amounted to $500 million in the 2000 presidential election. Candidates would have to look elsewhere for support, probably reducing the party's influence. Supporters say the law would force the parties to reach out to less affluent donors and expand grass-roots activities, eventually making the parties stronger.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Free Republic; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; cfr
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To: Luis Gonzalez
LOL!!! With the legal heavy hitters gunning for it, McInsane's pet project to rape the Constitution is headed for extinction. Not even President Bush who should know better by vetoing it, can thwart the inevitable. Earth to CNN, the Rats and their RINO buddies: this is as they like to say DOA. All you guys are whistling past the graveyard.
41 posted on 03/22/2002 11:29:55 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: PRND21; ALL
Why is CFR bad law? How does it violate my free speech?

Ignore PRND21. He's posed this question on numerous threads, and been answered numerous times. He's posing this question to disrupt threads. Ignore him, eventually he'll go away.


42 posted on 03/22/2002 11:29:57 AM PST by usconservative
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I don't know how CFR would affect Rush, but he's freaking pretty heavily about it, spouting misinformation for days at a time. My guess is that it would adversely affect him somehow, or that he perceives it would.
43 posted on 03/22/2002 11:30:39 AM PST by eaglebeak
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To: RAT Patrol
When did "groups" get constitutional rights?
44 posted on 03/22/2002 11:31:49 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: KC_Conspirator
I've been trying to find this in the actual bill. Can you point me to the section where that is detailed?
45 posted on 03/22/2002 11:33:05 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Yes, but Pro-Life is not PC,not is the NRA.

No company is going to risk giving money to gun nuts and clinic bombers, however who can say a bad word about the helping the environment and Bambi.


46 posted on 03/22/2002 11:33:24 AM PST by razorback-bert
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To: sinkspur; StoneColdGOP; Howlin; Miss Marple; Torie
Any comments?
47 posted on 03/22/2002 11:34:09 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I've asked people the same thing in different places on these boards. Nobody can.
48 posted on 03/22/2002 11:37:53 AM PST by eaglebeak
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To: eaglebeak
I wonder how much $$$ Rush will lose by not being able to sell the NRA ads for sixty days prior to an election?
49 posted on 03/22/2002 11:38:30 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: eaglebeak
I've looked at the bill many times, what perchance are you waiting for?
50 posted on 03/22/2002 11:40:30 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Recovering_Democrat
That's right. If you read about the rationale in the constitutions delineating the jurisdiction limits between the Feds, the states, the people and the three branches of government, we all perfectly understand that any piece of legislation which allows a party encroach another party's jurisdiction is illegal. Start with article 1 of the constitution and later how seperation of powers and checks and balances are to be managed.

Specificaly the bill imposes ludicrous limits on individuals and businesses from contributing to one party or another in paid ads specificaly. Read it for yourself, it is common knowledge that campaign finance reform imposes limits on individual contributions on speech BUT NOT ON DIRECT BRIBERY.

Since when had the state powers to control what one does with his or her pocket money aside from blatant cases of bribery and prostitution where money is specificaly used as a contract payment for a politician or a whore to give up his or her jurisdiction while he or her was voted or exists to exert such independent jurisdiction?

This campaign finance reform is a loophole for bribery for politicians. It does not go after corruption and illegal contracts in politics and politicans, it goes after individuals who make personal campaigns of their own, not the one bribing the bastards.

READ IT FOR YOURSELF. THEY WANT TO BAN FINANCIAL INFLUENCE. WHERE IN THE HELL DOES THE CONSTITUTION RECOGNIZES "INFLUENCE" AS A DE FACTO CONTRACT INVOLVING JURISDICTION VIOLATION AND EXPLOITATION? SO WHAT NOW? BLAME WOMEN AS PROSTITUTES IF THEY WILLINGLY TAKE A RIDE IN RICH MEN'S CARS HITTING ON THEM?

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NEED TO GET A FREAGING GRIP ON REALITY!!!


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GPO's PDF version of this bill References to this bill in the Congressional Record Link to the Bill Summary & Status file. Full Display - 114,378 bytes. [Help]

H.R.380

Bipartisan Campaign Finance Reform Act of 2001 (Introduced in the House)

Beginning
January 31, 2001

TITLE I--REDUCTION OF SPECIAL INTEREST INFLUENCE


`SOFT MONEY OF POLITICAL PARTIES
TITLE II--INDEPENDENT AND COORDINATED EXPENDITURES
TITLE III--DISCLOSURE
TITLE IV--PERSONAL WEALTH OPTION
`VOLUNTARY PERSONAL FUNDS EXPENDITURE LIMIT
TITLE V--MISCELLANEOUS
`USE OF CONTRIBUTED AMOUNTS FOR CERTAIN PURPOSES
`PROHIBITION OF CONTRIBUTIONS BY MINORS
`PROTECTING EQUAL PARTICIPATION OF ELIGIBLE VOTERS IN CAMPAIGNS AND ELECTIONS
`TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CONTRIBUTIONS AND DONATIONS TO BE RETURNED TO DONORS
TITLE VI--INDEPENDENT COMMISSION ON CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM
TITLE VII--PROHIBITING USE OF WHITE HOUSE MEALS AND ACCOMMODATIONS FOR POLITICAL FUNDRAISING
TITLE VIII--SENSE OF THE CONGRESS REGARDING FUNDRAISING ON FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PROPERTY
TITLE IX--PROHIBITING SOLICITATION TO OBTAIN ACCESS TO CERTAIN FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PROPERTY
TITLE X--REIMBURSEMENT FOR USE OF GOVERNMENT PROPERTY FOR CAMPAIGN ACTIVITY
`REIMBURSEMENT BY POLITICAL PARTIES FOR USE OF AIR FORCE ONE FOR POLITICAL FUNDRAISING
`REIMBURSEMENT FOR USE OF GOVERNMENT EQUIPMENT FOR CAMPAIGN-RELATED TRAVEL
TITLE XI--PROHIBITING USE OF WALKING AROUND MONEY
`PROHIBITING USE OF CURRENCY TO PROMOTE ELECTION DAY TURNOUT
TITLE XII--ENHANCING ENFORCEMENT OF CAMPAIGN LAW
TITLE XIII--BAN ON COORDINATED SOFT MONEY ACTIVITIES BY PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES
TITLE XIV--POSTING NAMES OF CERTAIN AIR FORCE ONE PASSENGERS ON INTERNET
TITLE XV--EXPULSION PROCEEDINGS FOR HOUSE MEMBERS RECEIVING FOREIGN CONTRIBUTIONS
TITLE XVI--SEVERABILITY; CONSTITUTIONALITY; EFFECTIVE DATE; REGULATIONS


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51 posted on 03/22/2002 11:40:39 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Man, does he actually do that? Or has he done that in the past? I don't listen to him enough to know. But if he does, no wonder he's freaking!
52 posted on 03/22/2002 11:41:03 AM PST by eaglebeak
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To: Luis Gonzalez
When did "groups" get constitutional rights?

Come on Luis, you know the constitution.

53 posted on 03/22/2002 11:41:56 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
Like Luis, I can't find anything that points to a ban on speech 30/60 days prior to an election. To mentioning a candidate's name, etc. Where is it? Did you see it?
54 posted on 03/22/2002 11:43:42 AM PST by eaglebeak
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To: Luis Gonzalez; deport
Hmmm. I haven't read all of it yet, but since much of it is not as big a deal as has been shouted about, McConnell has a good team to argue before SCOTUS, and McConnell i NOT mad at President Bush, I believe there is some strategery going on here.

I have puzzled over something that seemed so unlikely a position for President Bush to take. He has always been committed to building the party, he remembers what happened to his dad, and he tries to do the right thing for the country.

Here is GraniteStateConservative's post from early this morning (in reponse to a complaint by a poster that the SC was not the sole arbiter of constitutionality):

Well, if you live in the country, you don't really have a choice. The SCOTUS is the only constitutionally empowered branch to adjudicate. Bush has to execute laws-- even if he disagrees with them or their constitutionality. The only branch the public respects on adjudication is the SCOTUS. Would you believe Clintoon or Al Gore or Tom Daschle if they declared legislation constitutional? Of course not, and neither would most Americans.

This bill has been around for like 8 years. It is not going any where. If Bush vetoed it, the Democrats and McCain would spend the next months up to November talking about how that politicians who are pupperts of corporate interests (Bush, Senate and House GOPers who voted against it) don't want the legislation. They wouldn't try to fix the bill. They want this as an issue more than anything.

Imagine if this November, the midterms go as they have historically for the past 70 years (except for a year of FDR's and Clintoon's administration) and both the House and Senate go Democrat. Imagine if Gore wins the electoral vote and not just the popular vote in 2004. These aren't far-fetched. Gore would sign this law in Feb. of 2005 and we'd be right where we are now-- with the SCOTUS having to kill this. The GOP wanted line item veto, but SCOTUS killed it (do you hear people campaign on line item veto anymore?). The SCOTUS killed separate, but equal, they killed gun-free school zones in 1995. A President can't kill an issue and Congress can't. Only SCOTUS.

McCain is going to have a legacy of authoring partially unconstitutional legislation. Bush in his statement on the bill said that he thinks there are questions of constitutionality on this that SCOTUS has to rule on.

525 posted on 3/22/02 3:48 AM Pacific by GraniteStateConservative

This makes as much sense to me as anything I have read. What do you think?

55 posted on 03/22/2002 11:45:14 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
56 posted on 03/22/2002 11:45:23 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: lavaroise
Lavaroise, I meant to ask about this before--the is Shays-Meehan, introduced into the House, but is it the final campaign finance bill as passed by the Senate (after amendments, etc.)?
57 posted on 03/22/2002 11:47:05 AM PST by eaglebeak
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To: eaglebeak
Here's the exception for the media. Does the first amendment allow dividing us into classes of citizens?

(B)EXCEPTIONS.—The term ‘electioneering communication does not include

(i)a communication appearing in a news story,commentary,or editorial dis tributed through the facilities of any broadcasting station,unless such facilities are owned or controlled by any political party,political committee,or candidate;or

Amazing huh?

58 posted on 03/22/2002 11:50:36 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
No one is taking away the right of the people to peacebly assemble. No one is disbanding the NRA, they just have to disclose the source of the money used to buy the ad.

That means that Greenpeace can't buy an ad calling Bush an enviro-rapist using money from that guy who runs RJ Reynolds. They would have to prove that the money came from PEOPLE, exercising their First Amendment right.

59 posted on 03/22/2002 11:53:30 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: jwalsh07
It's really nothing new though, unless you can show how somehow citizens or political organizations have somehow been silenced. We get all kinds of info from the media every day. We count on them to do that.
60 posted on 03/22/2002 11:54:01 AM PST by eaglebeak
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