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How to increase public awareness that CFR is unconstitutional

Posted on 03/22/2002 1:02:23 PM PST by Smile-n-Win

Pollster: Do you support reforming campaign finance?
John Doe: Why, sure.

Pollster: Would you support restricting free speech?
John Doe: Of course not!

Obsessed as politicians are with polls, the one reliable way to prevent unconstitutional legislation from being enacted is to turn public sentiment against it. I would like to suggest a simple strategy for increasing public awareness that CFR is unconstitutional:

This is a strategy that has worked all too well for the Liberals. People now believe that the welfare state is something good, that killing your baby is OK, that it is normal for a sex blind couple to adopt and raise a child, and so on--things everyone would have recognized as absurd a couple of decades ago. This has happened because they've kept repeating their lies over and over again, accompanying them with words that sound like a serious argument to the superficial observer.

If the media kept telling us the sky was green rather than blue, many of our non-freeper friends would actually believe them after a sufficient number of repetitions.

The time has come to turn this weapon of the Liberals against them. Let's roll! Let's kill the unconstitutional CFR!


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To: In veno, veritas
The Constitution doesn't give you the right to breathe air either, but it is understood that this is a natural right.

Understood, but I don't see the connection between the right to breathe air and the right to pay for television commercials. Breathing air is an implied right that's pretty obvious. If the Klan wished to purchase air time it would be denied. Alcohol and cigs are already denied.

101 posted on 03/23/2002 7:33:01 AM PST by sakic
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To: FreeperinRATcage
Ahh...see, now your getting into the argument as to WHO controls the purchasing of "air time". Can big brother regulate ALL air time like this?

There's no argument at all. It's the FCC, and yet I can find no mention of the FCC in the Constitution.

102 posted on 03/23/2002 7:34:56 AM PST by sakic
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To: Smile-n-Win
The point is it's trying to shut us up, while not shutting up the Liberals.

This is not a conservative or liberal issue. It's a political issue that encompasses both parties and the way they control everything.

103 posted on 03/23/2002 7:37:31 AM PST by sakic
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To: Smile-n-Win
Protest the at White House with 2 posters the first one says "Read My Lips" and the second one says....????.

I'll get back to you. I expect to have to implement this plan in the next couple of weeks, as soon as W signs CFR.

104 posted on 03/23/2002 7:46:05 AM PST by Gore_ War_ Vet
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To: Smile-n-Win
It seems to me that financing the campaigns are part of the "manner" of holding elections and thus, subject to regulation. I have not looked into this deeply but what would that word refer to if not such things as this? The fact that I have these questions does not mean I am a supporter of this bill.

I don't necessarily agree that the 60 day cutoff on advertising is any more of a violation of free speech than say banning liquor and tobacco ads which have been upheld by the courts or the local prohibition of electioneering within 100 feet of a polling place. Those are "restrictions on free speech" as well and have been upheld.

The fundamental problem with CFR is the obvious fact that the RATS will simply ignore the law and do what the hell they want to anyway like The Arkansas Abomination did.

105 posted on 03/23/2002 9:11:36 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: eskimo
What does "manner of holding elections" mean to you? It seems to be applicable to any of the elements of an election: financing, campaigning, etc. I haven't thought much about it so am open to learn.
106 posted on 03/23/2002 9:16:10 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: T. P. Pole
Candidates are not allowed to campaign within 100 feet of the polling place here in Chicago. This is a limitation on free speech but seems to be allowed by the courts (it may have never been challenged though). How would the 60 day cutoff be different. Not all ads are prevented only a particular form the others are all acceptable.

Actually that restriction would probably not hurt conservatives anyway since most of the RAT voters are so dumb they have to be reminded 24/7 what to do.

107 posted on 03/23/2002 9:21:19 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: MeeknMing
That is the case. And is enough of a reason not to support it even if constitutional.
108 posted on 03/23/2002 9:23:14 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: PaulJ
My belief is that all aspects of an election cycle from nomination requirements, getting on the ballots, campaigning etc. would be part of the "manner" of holding elections. What do you think is meant by "manner?"
109 posted on 03/23/2002 9:28:07 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: Stultis
Your comments don't convince me that this is not part of the manner of holding elections which Congress has the right to regulate. Do you have any other information on what is meant by the "manner of holding elections" indicating that regulation of financing, advertising etc. is not meant to be included?
110 posted on 03/23/2002 9:34:39 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: justshutupandtakeit
My belief is that all aspects of an election cycle from nomination requirements, getting on the ballots, campaigning etc. would be part of the "manner" of holding elections. What do you think is meant by "manner?"

The manner means "the way"
What you're saying is the "manner" of running a capaign, not the manner of holding elections (or "the way" you hold elections).Campaigns and elections are two different things. I think the "manner of holding elections", as someone stated above, is strictly the mechanics of it, which is, of course, covered by the USC and federal law.
And I may be wrong, but isn't the way one gets on the ballots governed by state laws?
CFR applies not to the election, but to the campaign. So it isn't covered by Art. 1 Sec 4.

111 posted on 03/23/2002 10:04:19 AM PST by PaulJ
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To: PaulJ; Hold on Now
If you are defining "election" as the "act of voting" then perhaps you are correct. I am not sure that is the correct definition. I have not heard this issue discussed anywhere but when reading that Article with this bill in mind that word "manner" struck me. I will have to research some sources and the creation of the document and see if there was any discussion of exactly was meant.

I will call in an expert.

112 posted on 03/23/2002 11:48:36 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: justshutupandtakeit
It was an interesting point you brought up. Let me know what you find. I'm curious.
113 posted on 03/23/2002 12:12:30 PM PST by PaulJ
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To: T. P. Pole
Are you really in Hungary? What is your status regarding US citizenship?

Yes, I was born in Hungary and I still live here. I am a Hungarian citizen. I've always been a great admirer of the United States, and I'm very interested in the cause of Conservatism in your country. If Conservatism triumphs in the States, it's likely to have a positive influence on other countries around the world.

114 posted on 03/23/2002 12:33:55 PM PST by Smile-n-Win
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To: sakic
This is not a conservative or liberal issue.

39 out of 50 Republican Senators voted against it. The 11 who crossed party lines were mostly well-known RINOs. There were similar proportions in the House. Looks to me like real Conservatives don't really like this bill, and they have a good reason for not liking it.

I think it's an issue of meritocracy versus pressocracy. You know whose side the majority of the press is on, don't you.

115 posted on 03/23/2002 12:41:26 PM PST by Smile-n-Win
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To: justshutupandtakeit
It seems to me that financing the campaigns are part of the "manner" of holding elections and thus, subject to regulation. I have not looked into this deeply but what would that word refer to if not such things as this?

Forming districts, designing ballots, counting votes, and the like. Things the government does. Campaigning is something candidates do. Financing campaigns is something the people do.

I don't necessarily agree that the 60 day cutoff on advertising is any more of a violation of free speech than say banning liquor and tobacco ads which have been upheld by the courts or the local prohibition of electioneering within 100 feet of a polling place. Those are "restrictions on free speech" as well and have been upheld.

The unconstitutional CFR restricts speech in a way that directly interferes with the democratic process. It bans issue ads, but at the same time lets the press write whatever they want to. The press almost unanimously supports the Rats, and Conservatives will be left defenseless.

The fundamental problem with CFR is the obvious fact that the RATS will simply ignore the law and do what the hell they want to anyway like The Arkansas Abomination did.

I agree. (Except that I would say "The fundamental problem with the unconstitutional CFR is...") :-)

116 posted on 03/23/2002 12:54:44 PM PST by Smile-n-Win
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To: justshutupandtakeit
The election process is proscribed by law, i.e., the ballots, the voting, the counting, the machines to do it, etc.

CFR is the first piece of legislation, of which I am aware, that prohibits what I can say, and when I can say it, about a candidate.

117 posted on 03/23/2002 1:05:03 PM PST by leprechaun9
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To: Smile-n-Win
An admirable effort here.

I wish changing people's minds was as easy as asking a couple of questions. The difficulty is in getting them to think past those questions - almost an impossiblity with most.

Last summer, while working on the Recall McCain petition, I called our local radio station and spoke on McCain's unconstitutional legislation, and his oath of office, etc. No sooner had I hung up than the host said, "Oh, yeah, but we need campaign finance reform."

Yesterday, a gentleman called the same host and spoke to a November candidate for the House. When the words "CFR" were uttered, the host yelled, "Oooooh, ooooh," like he was in pain.

That guy is going to get a packet from me of the illegalities of CFR, telling him to educate himself! His ignorance is embarrassing.

118 posted on 03/23/2002 6:30:03 PM PST by lakey
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To: Smile-n-Win
Four out of five dictators surveyed favored Campaign Finance Reform.

After I enacted my own version of Campaign Finance Reform, I easily won re-election. It's easier to win when you stifle the speech of those who oppose you. - Robert Mugabe, President-for-life, Zimbabwe.

119 posted on 03/23/2002 9:33:05 PM PST by jrewingjr
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To: sakic
Actually, the Supreme Court has held that:
A political candidate has an absolute First Amendment right to spend an unlimited amount of his own money expressly advocating his own election (unless he voluntarily waives that right in order to receive public financing).
Individuals and organizations also have an absolute First Amendment right to spend an unlimited amount of their own money expressly advocating the election or defeat of particular candidates so long as there is no coordination between the individual or organization and the candidates. And governments may not presume that there is coordination under certain scenarios--unless there really is some. From the heritage.org web site.

The Klan does have the right to purchase commercials, just as the television stations have the right to refuse thier business.

120 posted on 03/23/2002 9:43:55 PM PST by In veno, veritas
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