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How to increase public awareness that CFR is unconstitutional

Posted on 03/22/2002 1:02:23 PM PST by Smile-n-Win

Pollster: Do you support reforming campaign finance?
John Doe: Why, sure.

Pollster: Would you support restricting free speech?
John Doe: Of course not!

Obsessed as politicians are with polls, the one reliable way to prevent unconstitutional legislation from being enacted is to turn public sentiment against it. I would like to suggest a simple strategy for increasing public awareness that CFR is unconstitutional:

This is a strategy that has worked all too well for the Liberals. People now believe that the welfare state is something good, that killing your baby is OK, that it is normal for a sex blind couple to adopt and raise a child, and so on--things everyone would have recognized as absurd a couple of decades ago. This has happened because they've kept repeating their lies over and over again, accompanying them with words that sound like a serious argument to the superficial observer.

If the media kept telling us the sky was green rather than blue, many of our non-freeper friends would actually believe them after a sufficient number of repetitions.

The time has come to turn this weapon of the Liberals against them. Let's roll! Let's kill the unconstitutional CFR!


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To: Sir Gawain, Xenalyte
An FR room?
21 posted on 03/22/2002 1:30:47 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Smile-n-Win
This is a strategy that has worked all too well for the Liberals. . . . they've kept repeating their lies over and over again, accompanying them with words that sound like a serious argument to the superficial observer.

And that is my concern with this method. I like the idea, but to say "they lie, and we should copy them" suggests that we are lying too.

22 posted on 03/22/2002 1:32:38 PM PST by T. P. Pole
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To: Smile-n-Win
Good idea and good post. I just included your article in Breaking in case anyone says anything to you about it
being there. I pinged a bunch of folks too. We need to tell Bush NOT TO SIGN THE UNCONSTITUTIONAL bill................
23 posted on 03/22/2002 1:32:47 PM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: PRND21
Please tell me why it is unconstitutional

Go to www.heritage.org

24 posted on 03/22/2002 1:33:03 PM PST by lawdog
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To: MeeknMing
I think we need to start a petition to President Bush and tell him NOT to sign that unconstitutional garbage.

Absolutely. I still hope the President will not sign the unconstitutional CFR. This is just contingency planning.

I also am going to compose a letter to him and e-mail it as well.

I thought you already did that! I e-mailed him yesterday.

25 posted on 03/22/2002 1:33:21 PM PST by Smile-n-Win
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To: T. P. Pole
They are basically making it illegal to criticize the government.

You just did.
Have you seen those ads? They should be illegal.

As I understand it, you can place an ad if you source the money and backers.
Speaking of sources...

One provision says you cannot do an "issue" ad 60 (or 30) days before an election.

Which provision is that? Can you post it? Anyone?

27 posted on 03/22/2002 1:35:24 PM PST by PRND21
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To: Smile-n-Win
What proves that this restriction is un-Constitutional is the fact that such speech would be perfectly legal for 275 days of the year. Protected by the Constitution, don't you know. Think of the outrage if such speech were banned completely. OK, then why for 90 days of the year? It's either wrong or it's right. If it's right, you can't take it away just because an election is coming up.
28 posted on 03/22/2002 1:36:14 PM PST by firebrand
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To: lawdog
I don't see any CFR info on Heritage...do you have a more specific link?
Thanks.
29 posted on 03/22/2002 1:39:45 PM PST by PRND21
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To: T. P. Pole; justshutupandtakeit, prnd21
I have also heard this bill referred to as the......
Incumbent Protection Bill

30 posted on 03/22/2002 1:42:36 PM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: Smile-n-Win
N.B. The purpose of this thread is not to bash President Bush. It is to save him from being bashed by Liberals in 2004, without any counterbalance.

The purpose of all threads is to give one's own honest opinion of the topic at hand, not to be shills for anyone or anything.

31 posted on 03/22/2002 1:43:00 PM PST by sakic
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To: T. P. Pole
Actually, issue ads by individuals or organizations, paid for with hard money, whose sources are disclosed, are completely permissible.
32 posted on 03/22/2002 1:43:39 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: T. P. Pole
That is restricting speech, thus is against the first amendment, and thus is unconstitutional.

Isn't the mere fact that the FCC regulates the media against the constitution?

33 posted on 03/22/2002 1:44:37 PM PST by Mixer
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To: toenail
LOVE that idea. I'm going to make one!
34 posted on 03/22/2002 1:46:17 PM PST by BornOnTheFourth
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To: lawdog;PRND21;Smile-n-Win
Heritage Foundation: Leadership for America
... Updated 3:38 pm. Issues 2002: Health Care. Some in Congress
want to force individuals and families ...
Description: A leading conservative think tank which publishes research on domestic, economic, foreign and defense...
Category: Society > Politics > Conservative

35 posted on 03/22/2002 1:46:58 PM PST by backhoe
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To: Smile-n-Win
Seriously now, it restricts free speech

Technically, isn't it restricting paid for speech? When the Constitution was written there was no way to account for things like television advertising.

36 posted on 03/22/2002 1:47:22 PM PST by sakic
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To: backhoe
That's the same link lawdog kindly posted...where's CRF info? I searched and browsed.
37 posted on 03/22/2002 1:51:02 PM PST by PRND21
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To: edmund929
The Council On Foreign Relations should be abolished!

Seemingly off topic but quite relevant actually.

Without the federal puppets installed by the Washington establishment's controllers who fancy themselves Marxist type administrators of socialist government, we might not be subjected to this assault on our Constitution and our individual liberty.

38 posted on 03/22/2002 1:52:43 PM PST by eskimo
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To: MeeknMing
Go to Petition Online and see if one hasn't already been started. If not start one and post it here on FR.

I'll sure sign it.

39 posted on 03/22/2002 1:53:25 PM PST by Brownie74
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To: justshutupandtakeit
CFR, as far as I know, has nothing to do with the times, places, and manner of holding elections. Right?
40 posted on 03/22/2002 1:58:31 PM PST by PaulJ
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