Ask the imam: Why can t the Jews and Muslims live together in peace?

Islam Q&A ^

[crystalk]

Then they will do better than ever; your post itself says that the main thing holding them back (if any) has been their support for this outmoded lefto-Marxist political party.

[Catspaw]

Reread his post #41.

[crystalk]

My info says that anti-Semitism is getting worse all the time in France, and that half the French Jews have left the country since 1960.

[Alas Babylon!]

No, no, no. You misunderstand. Blake says that all the Jews in Israel should come to America to be safe and prosper here. I doubt a Storm Fronter would want THAT!!!

Anyway, Blake got me thinking. In the Bible, Revelation Chapter 13, it talks about a woman who was sheltered in the wilderness to avoid persecution from Satan...

5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Is that woman Israel (Jesus, the man child) and is the wilderness the USA?

[crystalk]

Sudan, Somalia, Kenya, Ethiopia, Nigeria, Ghana, Ivory Coast, Indonesia, Pakistan, Malaysia, Philippines, USA, India, Bosnia, Serbia, Croatia, Macedonia, Spain, France, Britain, Trinidad, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, China, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Russia, Georgia, Chechnya, Armenia, Azerbaijan, ...

In any of those and more, Christians lost their heads last year through no fault of their own. In many cases other believers such as Buddhists and Hindus often suffered.

The cause of these sufferings is Islam.

[cardinal4]

When will the world finally realize the plans that these Muslims have for them?

I said that on an earlier thread and was called an alarmist and narrow minded.There is no doubt in mind that Islam has designs on all of us praying to the East.After killing off the Jews,I believe they want the rest of the world to become followers of Allah.Ive got news for them,THIS infidel aint becoming a muslim.

[tictoc]

I am an Anglo-Saxon purist

Blake#1,

I'm afraid I don't know what that means. Would you care to explain?

[Broward Lion]

They fight because the moslems want to kill all Jews everywhere and then come after Christians. I am heartened that we have a president who is willing to make and use all the bullets and bombs needed, until all moslems give up their push to rule the world. so many moslems, solittle time BUT PLENTY OF BULLETS.

[Turk2]

We know that you are a noble people that do not stab their friends in the back and never forget a favor. Thank you for your nice words about my people. Rest assured that we also have not and will not forget those who have stood by us through our darkest hours. The Jews are one of the very few people which fall into that category.

[crystalk]

It is chapter 12, not 13. The woman is Israel, the wilderness is (IMHO) eastern europe, and other remote areas such as Yemen or Morocco or Turkey, where she was sheltered during the 1260 years, but if the USA fits, wear it...

Jesus is the manchild, the great Dragon is Satan but that is also a symbol for Islam's immediate parent and precursor, who in Ch 13 gives his power to the 7-headed leopard beast, which IS Islam.

[Broward Lion]

You are a f**king moron. we had reformation and so did the Jews. These towel headed pissants never did and now millions of them will be slaughtered as they try to capture the world for their Imans. What a shame.

[crystalk]

They came for the Israelis, and I did nothing because I was not an Israeli.

They came for the Jews, and I did nothing because I was not a Jew.

They came for the Christians, but I did nothing because those bad old Christians deserved the worst anyway.

Then they came for the ordinary agnostic slob, and that is when I lost my head.

[Catspaw]

Does the Bible say anything about "Anglo-Saxon purist?" That's what I saw first in his post.

[rebdov]

You are an alarmist and an extremist only because your attackers haven't taken the time to actually read the evidence and educate themselves. This is not the only article, there are thousands attesting to their true intent. Only those with blinders on will deny what the Muslims themselves write. Jews hand Christians do not have to denounce Islam- Islam does the work for them. What is lacking is the will to publish their claims and aims. FR is one of the few places where you will read such articles.

MEMRI is also a critical site. They have taken the trouble to translate what the peaceful ones are saying in Arabic.

Don't let your guard down and don't be intimidated. If you read their works there is no difference between the Saturday and the Sunday people.

[DallasMike]

My info says that anti-Semitism is getting worse all the time in France...

My info (the father of an Orthodox family that I grew up with) tells me the same. Much of is due to the heavy influx of Muslims over the past 15 years, especially to the area around Paris.

[Eva]

I looked up the history of Palestine in the encyclopedia and it appears that it was originally the land of the Caananites and the Philistines. Then it was united under King David and Solomon and called Palestine. Then broken apart into Judah and Israel under King Saul. This was all more than 1000 years BC. Islam did not even come into the picture until around 675AD. So, there may have been a Palestine, but the Palestinians were Jews (the name coming from Judah). The area was conquered and colonized over and over by different groups, but never by anyone calling themselves Palestinians.

As for Muslims not allowing the Jews and Christians to openly worship polytheistic Gods, that is irrelevant because the Jews were the first monotheistic people in the world. Also the original Muslim rulers of the Palestine are allowed the Jews to keep their own settlements and their own religion, right along side the Muslim settlements. It was only in later years that Islam became an aggressive autocratic governmental institution. Islam was originally a religion of Peace.

[Blake#1]

Thank you for the question. Bringing Jews to the USofA panics Catspaw. In order to discredit my idea he/she attacks the messinger. My identification of my Anglo-Saxon heritage was to point out my forefathers were not always "friendly" to Jews. I don't think these forefathers would like my idea. So I have separated myself from the attitude of some of my forefathers. The question remains; why are people like Catspaw so enraged at the idea?

[rebdov]

The Jews had lived in Germany for almost 1000 years. Even in the camps they would be heard muttering that they are not OSTJUDEN, Jews from the East. They really believed that being so fully integrated in German society that they would be protected. In many ways they were more German than the Germans. Even when Jews converted to Christianity they were still on the rolls as Jews.

Jew hatred will exist as long as there are Jews. Until Moshiach comes, we Jews will be hated by some segment of world society. The comfort of the Jewish people is that while we have been oppressed and attacked we are still here and will remain so. Am Yisroel Chaim! As it says in the Passover Hagaddah- in each and every generation they rise up against us to utterly destroy us, but the Holy One blessed be He rescues us from their hands. Our existence is a testimony to His miracles. May we merit to usher in the era of Moshiach NOW!

[FITZ]

Moreover, if the Muslims agreed to live in peace with the Jews, who would be in charge? One of the basic principles of Islam is that Islam should prevail, not be prevailed over. One of the conditions for People of the Book (Jews and Christians) living with Muslims in a Muslim country is that they should live under certain conditions (shuroot ahl al-dhimmah) in return for the security and protection afforded them by the Muslims.

This is what it all comes down to everywhere there are Muslims. They --by definition -- are to take over and put Sharia law into place, they are to make every government and eventually the whole world under Muslim control. They are not a peaceful religion unless you accept their definition of peace ---which is that peace will happen when the world is completely under Koranic law.