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A CLASS STRUGGLE: Tenure of Avowed Marxist Controversy jolts College
Houston Chronicle ^ | March 24, 2002 | KEVIN MORAN

Posted on 03/24/2002 1:47:13 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: gaspar
I want to know since when does an Assistant Professor get tenure? The usual track is Assistant, Associate, and full Professor.

No, they have it right in the article. An Associate Professor has tenure. A full Professor is an additional promotion. Some Universities also have gradations of full Professor, others don't.

41 posted on 03/24/2002 4:34:13 AM PST by AmishDude
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
If things are so bad in the USA under our capitalist system why is this guy living here? I'm sure he has a nice home, a car, TV & DVD, home computer with unrestricted Internet access, can travel without restriction, read whatever books and magazines he wants etc. Certainly he would be happier living in such communist workers paradises as North Korea and Cuba.
42 posted on 03/24/2002 5:02:42 AM PST by The Great RJ
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To: uncbob
Hopefully, online learning will eventually make many of these college campuses obsolete.
43 posted on 03/24/2002 5:08:15 AM PST by abclily
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"...purely academic issue..." my freakin' butt! This is a determination as to if we will continue to allow the hate-America first crowd to control higher education, read that brain-washing, of this country.

The University of Wisconsin used to be an excellent eduacational institution. Since the radicals that tried to burn it down in the 60's took over its hallowed halls, it has become nothing but a Marxist Think Tank, the home of political correctness and a joke.

44 posted on 03/24/2002 5:09:00 AM PST by Redleg Duke
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To: Check6
Our public schools and public universities have gone to Pot, most people do not seem to care.
45 posted on 03/24/2002 5:11:41 AM PST by Texbob
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To: HDawg
Fuedalism may actually be better than Communism !

Tnure should ALSO be thrown out.

46 posted on 03/24/2002 5:26:03 AM PST by hoosierham
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To: AmishDude
For myself, the possibility of tenure is the only thing that keeps me in academia

I rest my case. The thing(s) that should keep you in academia should be the rewards of teaching, both monetary and psychological, the motivation to learn, grow, excel and the status and stature of the profession. In many educational systems today, both secondary and collegiate, it is difficult to get any of these.

As far as potentially having to move if you get laid off, that's the real world and it is a fact of life that only the insecure should fear.
47 posted on 03/24/2002 5:37:12 AM PST by pt17
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To: The Great RJ
If things are so bad in the USA under our capitalist system why is this guy living here? I'm sure he has a nice home, a car, TV & DVD, home computer with unrestricted Internet access, can travel without restriction, read whatever books and magazines he wants etc. Certainly he would be happier living in such communist workers paradises as North Korea and Cuba.

Oh no! The professor needs to spread the word to our children. He needs to plant seeds of our destruction. The attack on the WTC has opened the eyes of a lot of Americans unaware, or unconcerned, with the curriculum or the inflitration of our education system by subversive thought. Maybe they'll also take a critical look at media and government "servants" and see the frightening trend.

48 posted on 03/24/2002 5:37:21 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
If the Marxist guy is teaching the required material, he can stay.

However, this case is an example of the problems that arise with 'tax-funded education' -- one cannot discriminate against repugnant views, since "all" views must be included in a "public" institution.

Let's abolish public ed -- or leave the guy alone. If he's an indiot but doing his job, there is not much that can be done, here.

I was recently terminated at a community college in Los Angeles, for failing to join the Teacher's Union. Had done nothing wrong, have a Ph.D., several publications. Students loved my classes, & I helped them get $1,000's of dollars of scholarships to complete their educations. I was on several committees on campus, had the Faculty Senate president in my corner. However, I've learned that Academic Freedom is a very limited and selectively applied concept. It's used rather blatantly as a political tool, on most campuses out here in California. I teach economics and am a libertarian. But I kept my personal views to myself, since I am teaching a social SCIENCE, not running for office. Unfortunately, most of my colleagues have no intention of teaching the science of their field -- they view their classroom job as an opportunity to lobbying for the Democrat party, getting the students to volunteer for Democrat campaigns and so forth, for "extra credit" in a Poli Sci class. That's the way academia is nowadays, and there's not a darned thing you can do about it, aside from urging privatization of the whole higher ed system. I am sure the taxpayers of California would love to hear about the required 'volunteerism' for Democrat campaigns in State college Political Science classes, courtesy of their tax money, and plan to write a book when this is all over. I go to arbitration to get my job back this spring - wish me luck.

P.S. Teacher's Unions and Tenure must go. Collective bargaining is for cowards and communists, and Tenure is greedy protectionism of society's Elite. It is truly nauseating to have grown, highly educated adults 'demanding' job security. Teachers are not lettuce pickers, they are (presumably) the society's most educated and most skilled. If they can't cut it as teachers, they will find employment elsewhere, with their considerable educations. If we can't have cut throat competition among educators, our most highly trained, then -- in what industrial or labor sector CAN we have it? Watching some of my colleagues wax poetic and mewl like little kittens about how glad they are to be protected by Tenure is pretty vile. No wonder the average businessperson, forking over thousands to support school systems and struggling without the safety net of job Tenure to provide for his family in a volitile marketplace, has nothing for contempt for these sheltered, pampered soccer-mom socialists. It's embarrassing to have to work with this infantile, sheltered crew on a daily basis. Don't shed tears for them -- SIDE WITH THE CUSTOMERS, the Students. Abolish Tenure - NOW.

49 posted on 03/24/2002 5:43:28 AM PST by 4Liberty
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To: 4Liberty
Sorry for the typos:

volitile = volatile,

California = the armpit of higher education.

50 posted on 03/24/2002 5:50:30 AM PST by 4Liberty
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"I think we need deep-seated, fundamental, systemic social change"

What does he think we've been getting since the 1960's?

--Boris

51 posted on 03/24/2002 5:50:32 AM PST by boris
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To: Steve Eisenberg
I 90% agree, otherwise I wouldn't be on this board. However, I still don't see having a few willing-to-admit-it Marxist profs as much of a problem.

I had a Communist professor when I took American government in college, I got an A and I was already pretty conservative because I was working my way through college. Probably the ones who are upfront and honest about their philosophies are better than the ones who claim to be something different.

52 posted on 03/24/2002 5:51:33 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Texbob
"Our public schools and public universities have gone to Pot, most people do not seem to care."

Correction: Pol Pot.

--Boris

53 posted on 03/24/2002 5:52:04 AM PST by boris
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To: Check6
This proves what Tony Sanchez has been saying: "Texas is more liberal than you think." Also, notice that large numbers of students are rushing to get into the classes of this Marxist. Perhaps he is "giving grades" to keep students contented. The students probably don't listen to what he is saying -- probably don't even understand his views -- they are just there for an "easy A," I suspect. Students tend to avoid the instructors who have higher standards and expect more. They are looking for the easy way. Also many of the students are probably collecting federal subsidies to attend -- so for them it's a matter of getting the "most (grade point average) for the least (effort)." Ultimately, this is the government paying people to be irresponsible. Have we heard that before?
54 posted on 03/24/2002 5:52:57 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: 4Liberty
Teachers are not lettuce pickers, they are (presumably) the society's most educated and most skilled. .......It's embarrassing to have to work with this infantile, sheltered crew on a daily basis.

Exactly, they're sheltered and that gives them protection from being removed.
This is a very healthy environment for one point of view to gain a long term foothold.
Maybe it's time you became an advocate for your point of view while there's still time.

55 posted on 03/24/2002 5:53:19 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: uncbob
As long as parents are willing to go into debt to send their kids to these leftwing educational mills and as long as the alumni keep feeding in the big $$$ this crap will not end.

That's very true ---most of the kids going to these types of colleges aren't paying their own way. I think what's far worse than a communist/marxist professor are the feminists and multiculturalists in the colleges, what they teach is even worse.

56 posted on 03/24/2002 5:55:51 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Theodore R.
This proves what Tony Sanchez has been saying: "Texas is more liberal than you think."

Certain areas in Texas at least are extremely liberal --I know because I live in one of those very liberal areas where it seems most people believe in government redistribution plans and are quite marxist. Tony Sanchez has big support in many areas of Texas because he is basically a marxist and his drug money laundering for the Mexican cartels seems not to be a problem for him either.

57 posted on 03/24/2002 5:59:57 AM PST by FITZ
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To: 4Liberty
Public education is an oppressive monopoly protected by unions and politicians.
58 posted on 03/24/2002 6:02:01 AM PST by abclily
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Tenure was intended to protect instructors from political harassment. It is now used to protect bad instructors friendly with the administrators, and it is often used to "discipline" good instructors at odds with socialist administrators through the seldom-known process of "post-tenure review." So, where there is tenure, it should be abolished; where there is no tenure, it should be implemented!
59 posted on 03/24/2002 6:02:26 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: TxBec
Communism is ALWAYS installed by force.
60 posted on 03/24/2002 6:04:21 AM PST by Wagonmaster
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