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Bush-Rice 2004? | The rise and rise of Condi
The Sunday Times of London ^ | March 24, 2002 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 03/25/2002 1:05:22 PM PST by GraniteStateConservative

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To: cplboyle
"Clinton played the same game and I imagine section9 ripped him up and down."

I wonder. She seems to have true admiration for deceit.

141 posted on 03/27/2002 6:46:42 AM PST by Artist
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To: cplboyle; Artist

What a pair of True Believers.

First off, I'm a guy.

Second, the inability of conservatives to make tactical adjustments cedes the center to the left. I'm not willing to play your game of losing nobly in a noble cause. If you don't win, you don't get to appoint Supreme Court Justices. And the Supreme Court follows the election returns. Even after turning back Roosevelt's attempt to pack the Court, the Supremes affirmed much of the New Deal. Victory: it's as simple as that.

Repealing Roe v. Wade is not something that can be done tomorrow, and if someone tried to offer a human life amendment, it would never even make it out of a Republican Senate! You'd see a tag-team filibuster by the Rats that would go down in the history books. As far as RVW is concerned, it doesn't matter who's President. You guys act as if we have ninety Republicans in the Senate. We don't. Now get a clue.

Now I don't see either of you Talebani contradicting me, now do I? That's because you can't, and if either of you are going to be honest with yourselves, you know it. Demonizing pro-choice, undecided voters is a good way to lose elections. I saw Clinton maneuver us into doing just that. And no, I didn't demonize Clinton because he played the same game then that Bush is playing now. I have a grudging admiration for the political talent of the two-bit felon: he played the American people like a violin. I wonder how many Senate races were lost because some of you went out and voted for Buchanan. And we might have lost Iowa and New Mexico's electoral votes because of absolutists like you two.

You just don't want to do the hard thing: carry out a campaign of moral suasion and propaganda on behalf of the pro-life cause. Nope, you'd rather have Congress pass a law. That's the lazy man's way. It's typical of so many on the Right and the Left: Utopia is Just Around the Corner If We'd Only Pass a Law.....

But laws don't change people's hearts. And women would keep on having abortions. And there are, unfortunately, doctors who would perform them. You want to change people's hearts about abortion? Then do the difficult thing: talk with women as if they are human beings and have some trouble coming to terms with the act of abortion. Don't treat some woman who has ever even entertained the thought of having an abortion as a social pariah. Remember, she has a vote, and she can vote against you and for the NOW gang. If Roe were overturned tomorrow, without the political and propaganda groundwork being laid, it would be the ruination of the Republican Party for the next decade. Notice that I said, "without the proper groundwork being laid". You want to kill Roe? Fine, but till the fields, first. Swing voters get really pissed off at people who tell them that they are morally wrong.

Remember, the Northerners didn't go off to fight the Civil War because of the perfidy of slavery. They went off to fight the Civil War because of the attack on Sumter and the need to preserve the Union. Slavery came later. The abolitionists NEVER got any real political traction in the North. Lincoln was smart enough to work abolition in later, and even then after a costly victory at Antietam. And remember that Lincoln was willing to compromise on slavery to keep Virginia in the Union.

You remember Lincoln? His side won the damn war.

Thankfully, the President doesn't treat female swing voters, most of whom happen to be pro-choice, as pariahs. He knows how to reach out to them and get their votes. You two do not. You're True Believers. Eric Hoffer wrote a fine book about you guys. In the end, True Believers ALWAYS lose, either by direct vote at the ballot (because normal people can't stand being preached to by some political Elmer Gantry) or by the firing squad (because they make the mistake of believing in some fascist gangster who uses them and their passions like a wet dishrag).

Thankfully, George W. Bush knows talent when he sees it, and uses it to the advantage of the American people by hiring and promoting an outstanding individual such as Condi Rice. You'd rather see the Hildebeast as President than promote a good talent within the party, an individual who just happens to be ever-so-slightly on the pro-choice side of the ledger.

"Oh no, well if the choice is between Rice and the Fuhrette, I guess I'll just have to register my protest vote by voting Howard Phillips and the straight Constitutional Party ticket!" Now there's sound, strategic thinking! That will get you a pro-life Court!

Pardon me while I get a vomit bucket!

Bush is pro-life like Reagan was pro-life. The Old Man never let the issue get in the way of building a grand coalition. Neither will Bush. And for me, I figure that there are plenty of issues out there besides abortion. Condi is on the right side of all of them, except one. And even there (she did an interview with Oprah in the latter's coffee table mag, "O"), she came out in favor of restrictions on abortion such as parental notification. Of course, she's a serious Second Amendment person, so she's got my vote right there. Anyway, I'll take that bargain: politics is about settling for most of the loaf to get the rest later.

Some people just don't understand. No wonder they lose to Democrats.

Damn silly of me, having to live in the real world and all.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

143 posted on 03/27/2002 6:42:32 PM PST by section9
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To: section9
"First off, I'm a guy."

I've always thought that you must have an ego the size of Texas to post as you do....as if you have a persona. I find it odd that a guy named Chris would choose to post a cartoon of a girl at the top of each post he makes. It reminds me of SNL's "It's Pat!" sketch.

Nice of you to refer to me as the Taliban. You don't know anything about the way I live my life or my pro-life activities but you see fit to compare me to murderous torturers. Your arrogance (and ignorance) is sweeping.

Despite the fact that I gave W. my vote, (and his father too) fellow Republicans like you seem intent on driving people like me from the party so you can play footsie with pro-aborts in the big tent. Granted, anyone who can convince themselves that it's just a blob and not a baby is an easier mark, and probably won't mind all the lying as much.

BTW, I've missed that "hearts and minds" campaign you mention. Was is that "I'm pro-life......er, no I'm not" thing Laura did? Or was it that giant leap forward in communication when W. actually phoned and spoke himself (think of it!!!!) to that huge crowd of despicable True Believers at the March for Life this year? Or was it the day when he approved ESCR research on aborted babies that had already been killed for profit?

144 posted on 03/28/2002 7:09:09 AM PST by Artist
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