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The GUILD 3-27-2002 Quantum Physics Discussion

Posted on 03/27/2002 4:41:56 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs

What is Quantum Physics?

Quantum physics is a branch of science that deals with discrete, indivisible units of energy called quanta as described by the Quantum Theory. There are five main ideas represented in Quantum Theory:

  1. Energy is not continuous, but comes in small but discrete units. 1
  2. The elementary particles behave both like particles and like waves. 2
  3. The movement of these particles is inherently random. 3
  4. It is physically impossible to know both the position and the momentum of a particle at the same time. The more precisely one is known, the less precise the measurement of the other is.4
  5. The atomic world is nothing like the world we live in. 5

While at a glance this may seem like just another strange theory, it contains many clues as to the fundamental nature of the universe and is more important then even relativity in the grand scheme of things (if any one thing at that level could be said to be more important then anything else). Furthermore, it describes the nature of the universe as being much different then the world we see. As Niels Bohr said, "Anyone who is not shocked by quantum theory has not understood it." 6



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1 posted on 03/27/2002 4:41:56 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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To: BigWaveBetty; Billie; Mountaineer; Timeout; Clancyj; daisyscarlett; LBGA; rheo...
Feel free to discuss your theories or experiments that you have conducted in your home.
2 posted on 03/27/2002 4:43:03 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
We would not have the computers we do without at least a rudimentary understanding of quantum physics. :)
3 posted on 03/27/2002 4:44:11 AM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
LOL!

God Bless You, HLL.   You just made my day!

Thanks!

4 posted on 03/27/2002 4:46:43 AM PST by jigsaw
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To: RadioAstronomer
Oh crud, I put this is News instead of the Cheese Hole. I HATE THIS NEW SYSTEM!

I apologize for not putting this in the Cheese Hole.

5 posted on 03/27/2002 4:47:02 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
What did YOU have for breakfast? Brain Wheaties?
6 posted on 03/27/2002 4:47:39 AM PST by CheneyChick
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Weird. For some reason, I've spent the last two weeks reading up an electricity, gravity, magnetism, relativity, and (yesterday) quantum physics. I wish I had paid attention in college, I might be an engineer (or even a physicist) instead of a computer geek.

It's fascinating, yet headache-inducing.
7 posted on 03/27/2002 4:50:39 AM PST by babyface00
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To: CheneyChick
I have Brain Wheaties every morning.

Yesterday on our Oscar Aftermath thread we were accused of being frivolous, so today we decided to stop hiding the brainpower of the Guild and discuss Quantum Physics.

Of course there are twenty thousand LOTR threads and " What's your favorite Heavy Metal Band" threads, but somehow we were singled out for frivolity.

I find this curious since the Guild is probably a group of some of the best educated and intelligent women that I have ever had the honor to know.

8 posted on 03/27/2002 4:51:46 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Energy is not continuous, but comes in small but discrete units.

Thus making it easier to smuggle into the country.

9 posted on 03/27/2002 4:53:04 AM PST by Valin
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
I see. In that case, you posted this in the right forum.
11 posted on 03/27/2002 4:55:50 AM PST by CheneyChick
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THE USS ROOSEVELT IS HOME!!!!!!!! This is the only picture I have so far but it's live on television. OUR SHIP IS HOME!!!

Sailors aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt, New York City Police and New York City Firefighters take part in a ceremony returning the World Trade Center flag to the city of New York March 26, 2002. The American flag became widely known after it was raised in the midst of the rubble from the September 11 terrorist attack. The Roosevelt is due to return to its homeport in Norfolk, Virginia March 27 after a six-month deployment in support of Operation Enduring Freedom. (Reuters)

12 posted on 03/27/2002 4:56:18 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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To: semper_libertas
If you click on Previous Threads you can get a hint of what we are. We are a group of mostly women with a men's auxillary, who discuss current events, investigate political corruption, family and fashion.

We usually post in the Cheese Hole ( General Interest) but today I screwed up and posted us in the wrong forum. Of course by posting in the wrong forum it means more people can find us.

We also supported the USS Roosevelt and now the USS Kennedy for Operation Enduring Freedom, so we are all so very happy that our ship is home today.

13 posted on 03/27/2002 5:01:42 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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To: Valin; Endeavor;Teacup
Energy is not continuous, but comes in small but discrete units. Thus making it easier to smuggle into the country.

Finally! Someone to explain the nature of Enron's business ... I think.

Endeavor - the reference to the mothman on the previous thread was a not-so-inside joke between Teacup and me about a certain infamous Chelsea groupie who is drawn like a moth to the flame whenever a thread about Chelsea Clinton appears. He jumps all over any negative comment about his lady love and generally makes a fool of himself, all to our considerable amusement.

14 posted on 03/27/2002 5:06:01 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Live coverage on FOX about USS THEODORE ROOSEVELT!

WELCOME HOME!!!!!

15 posted on 03/27/2002 5:07:17 AM PST by SassyMom
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs;All
The early scientists and physicists who studied Quantum Physics had THE WORST hairdos.
Did they ever bathe? It is clear that the simple task of using a comb never crossed those brilliant minds.

And that clothing! Dirty white lab coats, day in and day out. Talk about old Crusty.

Psst...I read in an old old issue of The Quantum Enquirer that Neils Bohr (mentioned in your first post)
had a strange, unnatural obsession with test tubes, IF you know what I mean.

16 posted on 03/27/2002 5:13:10 AM PST by Mrs.Liberty
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Read an interesting book on this a few years ago "The Tao of Physics" by something Kapra.
It dealt with the (infered) link between Quantum Mechanics and Eastern mystic religions.
Pretty mind-blowing stuff.
17 posted on 03/27/2002 5:15:49 AM PST by Psalm 73
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Good morning all. I left my physics book at home, so I'll share the funniest column about Sunday's Academy Award Show.
18 posted on 03/27/2002 5:16:04 AM PST by TexasNative2000
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To: Psalm 73
"We are a group of mostly women..."

Oh, sorry about that, I'm not even a little bit of a woman.

19 posted on 03/27/2002 5:17:47 AM PST by Psalm 73
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Note; part of this is directly inserted text by Physicist from a critique to my original :-)

THE STANDARD MODEL:

The best description of how matter and energy interact (sans gravity) is called “The Standard Model” It describes the organization of all of the particles and how they interact. The elementary particles are divided into two families called quarks and leptons. Each family consists of six particles and three of each particles in each group are acted on by a force carrier.

Quarks: Six called, up charm, top, down, strange, and bottom.

All six quarks are acted upon by gluons and photons. This is because all of them carry electromagnetic charge (u,c,t have a charge of +2/3 e, while d,s,b have a charge of -1/3 e), and all of them carry a color charge. There are three kinds of color charge, which are commonly written as red, green and blue. Every quark in the universe has one of these charges. Each flavor of quark can have any color charge.

Note: Because there is one kind of EM charge, there is one photon, but since there are three kinds of color charge, there are eight gluons. Gluons themselves carry both a color charge and an anti-color charge, so you'd think that there would be nine gluons, but the combination red-antired + blue-antiblue + green-antigreen is colorless, so if you define a red-antired gluon and a blue-antiblue gluon, a green-antigreen gluon can be described as a superposition of the other two. Only eight gluons are needed to span the color space.

Leptons: Six called: e neutrino, u neutrino, t neutrino, electron, muon, and tau.

All quarks and leptons couple to both W and Z bosons. A W, for example, transforms an electron to an electron neutrino, or a t-quark to a b-quark.

Gravity is not included in the standard model, however it is believed that is exchange force is a graviton.

THE FOUR FUNDEMENTAL FORCES OF NATURE:

The four fundamental forces in nature:

Strong force
Weak force
Electromagnetism (EM)
Gravity

All of the fundamental forces are considered Exchange Forces. In other words the force involves an exchange of one or more particles.

The exchange particles are as follows:

Strong – The pion (and others)
Note: The pion does mediate the inter-nucleon force. That force isn't fundamental, however. The fundamental force is the inter-quark force that binds the quarks into hadrons (such as protons, neutrons and pions), and that is what we usually mean by the strong force, nowadays. The force between hadrons is a residual color dipole interaction that is analogous to the Van der Waals force in electromagnetism. Electromagnetic (EM) – The photon
Weak – The W and Z
Gravity – The graviton

The Strong Force:

It is a force that holds the nucleus together against the repulsion of the Protons. It is not an inverse square force like EM and has a very short range. It is the strongest of the fundamental forces.

The Weak Force:

The weak force is the force that induces beta decay via interaction with neutrinos. Not only would the Sun not burn without this force A star can “burn” by a nuclear fusion process. Three of those processes are proton-to proton fusion, helium fusion, and the carbon cycle. Here is an example of proton-to-proton fusion, which is the process our own sun uses: (two protons fuse -> via neutrino interaction one of the protons transmutes to a neutron to form deuterium -> combines with another proton to form a helium nuclei -> two helium nuclei fuse releasing alpha particles and two protons). The weak force is also necessary for the formation of the elements above iron. Due to the curve of binding energy (iron has the most tightly bound nucleus), nuclear forces within a star cannot form any element above iron in the periodic table. The curve of binding energy comes from the strong and electromagnetic forces. The role played by the weak interaction is to convert protons to neutrons and vice-versa, which is often required to make stable nuclei out of two lighter ones. So it is believed that all higher elements were formed in the vast energies of supernovae. In this explosion large fluxes of energetic neutrons are produced which produce the heavier elements by nuclei bombardment. This process could not take place without neutrino involvement and the weak force.

Electromagnetism:

The electromagnetic force is the forces between charges (Coulomb’ Law) and the magnetic force which both are describe within the Lorentz Force Law. Electric and magnetic forces are manifestations of the exchange of photons. A photon is a quantum particle of light (electromagnetic radiation). This particle has a zero rest mass The relativistic mass of a photon is also zero. Gravity couples to energy density, which is typically dominated by mass. But even in Newtonian gravity, massless light particles will bend in a gravitational field (the trajectory of a test particle doesn't depend on mass). The speed of light in a vacuum is a constant and is unobtainable by baryonic matter due to the lorentz transformation. Electromagnetism obeys the “inverse square law”.

Gravity:

Gravity is the weakest of the forces and also obeys the inverse square law. The force is only attractive and is a force between any two masses. Gravity is what holds and forms the large scale structures of the universe such as galaxies

20 posted on 03/27/2002 5:19:29 AM PST by RadioAstronomer
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