Abuse scandal angers conservative Catholics

Boston Globe ^ | 3/27/02 | Michael Paulson

[Travis McGee]

I agree, but any anti-homo chickenhawk freeping will have you nailed as a homphobic hater.

[ArrogantBustard]

The FSSP seminary in Nebraska is full.

The FSSP seminary is constantly begging money from me. They want to expand their facilities so they don't have to tur applicants away.

AB

[patent]

>>>>>>Well, choosing between a law-abiding nun, and a priest who molests children, I'd have to go with: the nun.

Summer,

The seminary directors responsible for much of our problems today are feminist nuns who are all but apostate, and prefer homosexual priests to orthodox, law abiding priests. They caused much of this, and we should never consider rewarding thier evil by granting them the object of their efforts.

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[summer]

Thanks, patent. Others later made that point to me. I honestly did not know anything about that. Again, thank you for taking the time to post.

[patent]

Thanks for the bump Travis. We will always have some in the heirarchy with evil agendas, but I'm coming to believe more and more that the Church will be largely cleansed of the infestation we have now.

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[SMEDLEYBUTLER]

Will and Ariel Durant, in their eleven volume history of western European history state that, in the Middle Ages the Pope decreed that priests should be celibate.

The discipline of celibacy predates Pope Gregory VII and the Roman Synod in 1075 reaffirming it for priests. Many priests were celibate prior to that Synod. Do Will and Ariel bother to mention the concilar legislation of the Council of Elvira, canon xxxiii, dated 295-302 AD? Can Will and Ariel, or anyone else, show in Scripture where the Apostles weren't celibate?

Do Will and Ariel address Matthew 19:12, 26-29 or 1 Corinthians 7:7-8, 32-35?

[SMEDLEYBUTLER]

celibacy is the root of the problem.

Hogwash. Why then do Protestant denominations and the Orthodox Church have pedophiles and sexual misconduct when they allow married clergy?

[LarryLied]

Many of the US seminaries, with the apparent blessing of American bishops, have become something akin to Club Meds for promiscuously practicing homosexuals.

Are there are ties to outside homosexual groups? Difficult to believe ACT-UP, GLAAD and GLSEN haven't known what was going on for a long time.

[Matchett-PI]

"The doctrine of the "divine right of kings" is a Protestant invention.."

Is that what you got out of that paragraph? I doubt if I have ever seen anyone miss the point as widely as you just did. I hope you didn't do it on purpose.

Tell you what! Let's just take that little phrase out of the paragraph, break it up in smaller bites, and see if you can get the point this time:

"Romanism especially does not thrive in a republic, but there Calvinism finds itself most at home.

An aristocratic form of church government tends toward monarchy in civil affairs, while a republican form of church government tends toward democracy in civil affairs.

Says McFetridge, "Arminianism [Romanism] is unfavorable to civil liberty, and Calvinism is unfavorable to despotism.

The despotic rulers of former days were not slow to observe the correctness of these propositions, and feared Calvinism as republicanism itself."

It might also be helpful to you to go back to reply #53, click on that paragraph link, and go read the rest of it.

[Palladin]

Wow! What a post!! Right on the money.

It's about time conservative Catholics rose up in justifiable anger. Let's pick up the bullwhips and drive the hedonistic lavender clergy out of the sanctuary.

[saradippity]

So would I! But my observation of so many nuns,shows me that the choice,given your suggestion might be between a lesbian nun who shows an innocent 12 year old girl how pleasurable sex with another woman can be and a holy,chaste priest who takes his responsibilities to be Christ in the world seriously.Wake up,this is war!

[Chemnitz]

I hate to tell you this, but the nuns still in the Roman Catholic Church (in America) are radical feminists, pro-abortion, and often lesbian. My professor, a former nun teaching at Notre Dame, wrote in her dissertation that lesbian relationships were common in various orders. That was stated as casually as if she had mentioned that some still wore habits. So I don't think a regiment of nuns will solve any problems.

[blam]

"Abuse scandal angers conservative Catholics"

It angers this WASP also.

[LarryLied]

I'm a WASP too and I fear what would happen if liberals are successful in taking over completely or crippling the Catholic Church. There are basic conservative principles no other organization defends so extensively around the world.

[Campion]

An aristocratic form of church government tends toward monarchy in civil affairs, while a republican form of church government tends toward democracy in civil affairs.

This must be why Catholic Switzerland was a republic long before the reformation, eh? And why the barons of a Catholic England wrote the Magna Carta?

The idea that church government should be selected based on what sort of civil polity we want is worse than backwards; it is absurd. Jesus and the Apostles established a church government: you can see it clearly in the Pastoral Epistles and in the writings of the early Fathers. It's not ours to amend, throw away, or modify.

Oh, BTW: heaven is a monarchy, not a "republic" or a "democracy". Was yesterday, is today, will be tomorrow. Get used to it!

[Romulus]

And why the barons of a Catholic England wrote the Magna Carta?

Almost certainly drafted by the Archbishop of Canterbury, Stephen Langton, btw.

[MissMillie]

Yes, the church has been aware of the problem, but it is only now that we have been made aware of the church's awareness.

[MissMillie]

The problem isn't that priests are having sex with each other. The problem is that they are molesting kids--an illegal activity. Despite your claim that nuns may be involved in homosexual activity, there do not seem to be many, if any, claims that these homosexual nuns are molesting children.

[Chemnitz]

It is not my clain about nuns being engaged in lesbian activity. It is published in a Ph.D. thesis.

Someone thought nuns would fix the problem or ordaining women perhaps. I agree completely that the main problem is with priests having sex with youths and children, mostly homosexual sex. Homosexuality seems to be widely accepted among the Roman clergy. That by itself is a major problem. Naturally the corruption spills over in many different evil ways.

I contend that no one in a position of trust (teacher, scout leader, clergy, nun, shrink, youth worker, social worker) should violate that trust by taking advantage of a vulnerable person. That applies not only to children and teens but also to that new self-absolving category..."consenting adults." Those who abuse that trust should be banished from the profession forever. That is especially true of religious vocations since they alone have the ability to knock on a door and invite themselves in.