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Letter to Gun Control Advocates
Keep and Bear Arms ^ | 4-8-02 | Jack Harbinger

Posted on 04/08/2002 7:50:51 AM PDT by SJackson

Letter to Gun Control Advocates

by Jack Harbinger
jharbinger@msn.com

April 8, 2002

This is an email I sent to the Violence Policy Center.

I have just been browsing www.BanHandgunsNow.org

I'd like to say that the views expressed there mirror many of my own -- when I was an uninformed teenager. I concluded, based on war stories and the news, that guns were evil or at best deadly accidents waiting to happen.

Then I went shooting with a friend. Handgun shooting. It was a pleasant outdoor exercise in eye-hand coordination. It was a sport I could participate in even though I was overweight, nonaggressive and nearsighted.

I bought a gun of my own, legally but nervously, as if I were doing something somehow suspect and dirty. I had been conditioned, you see, to regard guns as the accoutrement of the criminal and the lowlife and the tyrant's soldier.

As a gun owner, I felt obligated to learn about gun laws, so as not to break any. I've never had so much as a parking ticket.

I was shocked by what my research showed me, learning as I did about how many rights have been eroded in our lifetime, yours and mine and our parents'. We have lost so much while gaining little, but we are not being taught about it in school.

That is why I am writing to you. You have your opinion and a right to it, but when you publish it in any kind of media for public consumption, I believe you have the obligation to back it up with some kind of legitimate research. That's just good journalism and good sense.

For every outrageous claim you make about the evil nature of handguns and small arms in general, there's impartial research concluding just the opposite, that guns decrease crime and save lives. The research of John Lott and Gary Kleck, both anti-gun or indifferent at the beginning, convinced them that guns are a valuable tool of self-defense. I urge you to visit www.jpfo.org and www.KeepAndBearArms.com and learn about the history of gun control and its hideous consequences.

As a student of history and of psychology, I have learned that human nature hasn't changed much in thousands of years, let alone the two-hundred-plus since our Constitution was dreamed up, or the six decades since World War II.

You know about that unpleasantness originating in Germany in the 1930s and soon exported throughout Europe. Minorities were blamed for societal ills, harassed and made official targets of government-sanctioned violence. Soon Henry Ford's mass production techniques were adapted to the systematic killing and disposal of innocent human beings.

But first, these innocents were convinced that personal weapons were the tool of the criminal and the terrorist, and convinced or threatened into surrendering them in the name of crime prevention and in exchange for promises of protection. Sound familiar?

They died by the millions.

Stalin, a Russian, managed a similar program on an even larger scale. As did Pol Pot of Cambodia, Idi Amin of Uganda, Saddam Hussein against his Kurdish countrymen...

One reason the Nazis failed to conquer a mostly-disarmed Europe was the Liberator pistol. It was cheaply mass-produced, crude and had no safety devices, and was air-dropped by the thousands to civilians. I'm sure it would be on your "junk guns" list for banning. It was very deadly to invading Nazi soldiers at close range. It allowed Resistance fighters to acquire well-made German firearms and help secure the freedom you take for granted and even work against.

Great Britain benefited from Lend-Lease rifles and handguns shipped by sympathetic Americans. You see, after World War I, the War to End All Wars, England severely regulated gun ownership, confiscating and destroying many, just as they have done recently. They were fresh out when the Germans came knocking. Churchill's famous speech promising to fight them in the hedgerows and back yards was said to have concluded, after the microphone was turned off, "but I do not know what we shall use."

I imagine you are of the "It could never happen here" school of thought. It almost did. I speak of the American internment camps where Japanese-Americans were imprisoned after the attack on Pearl Harbor. U.S. citizens unconstitutionally held prisoner indefinitely without trial because of their ethnic background, in the 20th century. And mid-19th Century Americans virtually wiped out the American Indians because of a Hitlerian-sounding idea called "Manifest Destiny," the belief that descendants of Europeans should occupy North America from sea to shining sea.

That the Indians were able to obtain guns let them last fifty years longer as a race. Only when their major food source, the buffalo, was hunted to near-extinction to drive them to submit did the Plains Indians surrender and assimilate to survive. The White Eyes would have been just as happy to see them extinct too. Only when they learned to act like "real people" were they allowed to live. By our great-grandparents. Yours and mine.

That's why I am armed, and will remain so, regardless of any law that well-meaning but misinformed people support. Human nature can be brutal, and often feel perfectly justified in being so.

I will not go, neither me nor my family, to the camps or killing fields or lonely clearing in the woods like a good Jew or Gypsy or homosexual or Catholic or "nonessential worker" or random robbery victim in the wrong place at the wrong time. We refuse to be at the mercy of someone who has no mercy, someone with a gun or knife or tire iron or baseball bat or sharp stick or merely bigger and stronger, who sees us as subhuman or a source of some quick cash or sex or sadistic power trip and then as an inconvenient object to be disposed of, not as a human being. No.

One of the most heartbreaking photos I ever saw was of a robbery and murder victim in his last hour of life. It was taken by the camera of an automated teller machine.

The athletic-looking young man is trapped between his killers in the front seat of his own car. They are using his bank card to withdraw $200 to buy drugs. He is about to be taken to a lonely piece of woods a half-hour away and killed and buried under some leaves because he is a witness. (These particular murderers have been in prison a dozen times because they left witnesses.)

The look on his face is one of hopeless, helpless, tragic sorrow. (I've seen it before, at the First Million Mom March, in Poland in 1936, on the faces of naked women and little girls just before policemen machine-gunned them and left them in mass graves. For the crime of being different. It is not a look one is likely to see on an armed person. The Nazi policemen look bored, as if they are performing some routine task. As indeed it became.)

The ATM robbers and murderers look like they are merely ordering Big Macs for three to take to their kids' soccer game. Their victim looks like he is being taken to his execution, which indeed he is.

It was the 26th violent felony conviction for one of the killers. He was the mentally-retarded one, the one the Supreme Court is trying to decide whether it is morally right to execute, though he had no compunction about executing someone who never hurt anybody, without benefit of trial, or appeal, or a last meal or last goodbye.

A handgun could have, would have, saved this victim of selfish, brutal, casual evil.

His killers had a gun (breaking laws by doing so, not to mention the laws forbidding kidnapping, robbery and murder. But you think more laws are the answer).

We'll never know why the victim didn't have one.

Maybe he couldn't afford a gun. Maybe he believed in the goodness of people and thought he'd never need one. Maybe he wanted to carry one but he thought the laws regulating concealed carry were too strict for him to bother getting a permit so he wouldn't be arrested for the crime of being prepared for self-defense without government permission. Maybe he had one but it was safely locked up at home, as you suggest.

The killers didn't worry about the laws or the concealed carry requirements. Criminals are by definition law-breakers.

But you still think more laws are the answer.

The killers, and all criminals, have the advantage of surprise, youth, strength, speed and numbers.

A handgun can give the helpless a fighting chance.

You say a gun would be taken away and used against me.

With minimal practice, I can now draw from concealment and fire two center-chest or head hits in about a second. If I can do it, most people could. I'll never be a helpless, cooperative victim. Neither will my children or grandchildren. Ban Handguns Now? Go ahead. We'll still have ours. They will last, and work, for hundreds of years.

If a law is ever passed that sends someone to my door to collect my guns, I'll know it's time to use them, because any other rights I might have had are then equally not worth the parchment they're inscribed upon.

I hope you won't volunteer for victimhood either.

I hope you will do some research as I have suggested. As they say on "The X-Files," the truth is out there, if you're interested in the truth.

Then, when you buy your first gun, write and tell me all about it.


To see other messages designed to help anti-gun people wake up, click here.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: banglist

1 posted on 04/08/2002 7:50:51 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: bang_list
Is there a "topic" to list Bang_list articles under.
2 posted on 04/08/2002 7:51:36 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson
This is a great post. It might have been posted before but this is the first time I've seen it.

On another note, FR needs a link on the forum page to all the "bump lists". If anyone knows where this link is, please tell me.

3 posted on 04/08/2002 8:00:37 AM PDT by MrB
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To: SJackson
Great letter. Unfortunately, it falls on deaf ears. The gun-grabbers know all this already. They don't give a damn; they have an agenda. The sooner everyone understands this, the better.


4 posted on 04/08/2002 8:09:44 AM PDT by Joe Brower
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To: SJackson
"One reason the Nazis failed to conquer a mostly-disarmed Europe was the Liberator pistol. It was cheaply mass-produced, crude and had no safety devices, and was air-dropped by the thousands to civilians

Failed to conquer? must have been news to the frenchies watching the boche marche through the arc de triomphe....

also, IIRC the liberator, while a neat idea, was never dropped in any quantity in the european theatre- some were dropped in Philippines, but that was it.

well-reasoned, historically articles are helpful to the cause- this one isn't.

5 posted on 04/08/2002 8:41:40 AM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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To: SJackson
Great article, but you need to send it to every newspaper "letter to editor" address you can find. There is no hope of educating the anti-gun leaders. The simple reason is they already know it. Many rank-and-file anti's may be as misguided as you say you were in your teen-age years. But the leadership is not and you can prove that by simple logic: Every anti-gun group puts out an official line that is based on willful false information. At some level in their organizations the altering takes place. It is possible that the blue-haired food-people at the bottom believe it. It is not possible that the people making up the misinformation believe it. Bottom line: At the leadership level the anti-gun movement is detrimental to public safety and they know it. It is intentional. Pass a law INTENDED to make the problem and then demand that it be strengthened and more brutally enforced to address the problems it exacerbated in the first place. Worked for Hitler, Stalin and has shown great promise for Schumer and the like. Kristalnacht was only the "zero-tolerance" application of an earlier group of gun-control "for the children."
6 posted on 04/08/2002 8:51:24 AM PDT by Jerry W. Howard
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To: MrB
It coming if you use the new Beta version, in the mean time.
Check the Bump List folders for articles related to and descriptions of the above topic(s) or for other topics of interest.
7 posted on 04/08/2002 9:24:47 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: SJackson
Is there a "topic" to list Bang_list articles under.

Unless the article deals with a crime I think Culture Society where you placed it is the right choice.

8 posted on 04/08/2002 9:26:45 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: Joe Brower
Joe, you are correct of course. The leadership of the "gun grabbers" certainly have an agenda and it does not include the empowerment of the masses in any way, shape, manner, or form. Take away the guns and you create slaves, PERIOD.

The followers of the "gun grabbers" are absolutely the most mind-controlled, vacuous people on the face of this earth, IMHO.

9 posted on 04/08/2002 9:27:30 AM PDT by Gig
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To: SJackson
The athletic-looking young man is trapped between his killers in the front seat of his own car. They are using his bank card to withdraw $200 to buy drugs. He is about to be taken to a lonely piece of woods a half-hour away and killed and buried under some leaves because he is a witness. (These particular murderers have been in prison a dozen times because they left witnesses.)

The look on his face is one of hopeless, helpless, tragic sorrow. (I've seen it before, at the First Million Mom March, in Poland in 1936, on the faces of naked women and little girls just before policemen machine-gunned them and left them in mass graves.

The debate about "gun control" begins and ends with these senetences. No more need be said, no more discussion is necessary.

10 posted on 04/08/2002 9:28:12 AM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: Free the USA
Thanks for the link, I guess I'll put it on my own home page instead of looking for it on the FR Forum page.
11 posted on 04/08/2002 9:31:25 AM PDT by MrB
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To: SJackson
Mrs Ruth Price DIED HARD. NO ONE SHOULD EVER HAVE TO GO WITHOUT A FIGHTING CHANCE.

Other women who know how Mrs. Price was lied too by the government false statements that 911 will protect you.

* Women who defend their sons daughters and husbands *

http://www.sas-aim.org/home.htm

Bad guys don't live by the rules. Here is Mrs. Ruth Price story and I would think that you would agree she disagrees with this leftist extremist, anti-gun views. Here is Mrs. Price story. Another disarmed voice.

Mrs. Price speaks directly to the gun control extremists with a powerful message. Requires Audio setup, downloads in 30 seconds, however, well worth your wait for this message.

Mrs. Price story

If you have trouble with this load, cut and paste to URL line.

http://www.geekswithguns.com/audio/911_call_no_address.ram

Next Picture from Mother's of the past, speaking to soccer moms of today.

First Million Mom March

Have we forgotten already.

Women's talk about self defense.

From a woman's point of view

The best news link on the planet for self defense.

www.keepandbeararms.com

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Who needs protection? The women of our lives, and our children, the poor who have little police protection, our grandparents, and parents, our wife, and our daughters need the right to self-defense at home and on the street. 2.2 million felons in jail, 3.5 million felons on probation, and 14 million drug abusers looking for their next fix. Do you think they are living in your city? Guns save lives. Gun free zones are killing zones for criminals. Most anti gun liberals are one mugging away from conservative views.

Dail 911 and die is more than a cute saying. It is life or death.

The actual 911 call is Mrs Price voice. Take this recording to every MMM and anti gun rally in the nation. Perhaps the MMM anti guns will be the next Mrs Price.

Another Mrs Price story in Columbus OHIO -- Dialed 911 and Died.

Mrs. Turner's story. Restraining orders, Killer telling police he was going to kill her, begging for life for several minutes, nor did phone call to 911 save this woman's life.

Mrs. Turner's story

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b28997102ad.htm

What is your self defense plan when the bad guy shows up at your door?

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12 posted on 04/08/2002 10:14:31 AM PDT by CHICAGOFARMER
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To: SJackson;all
Just FYI--

Won’t looser licensing restrictions make it easier for criminals to get weapons? "Every criminal who wants a weapon already has one," said another retired Israeli police officer in a radio interview. End of argument. In two sentences, the most cherished dogmas of anti-gun groups such as the Brady Campaign and Gun Industry Watch have been dismissed.
Israel is Arming Its Civilians - Why Aren't We?

13 posted on 04/08/2002 12:15:07 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: SJackson
bttt
14 posted on 04/08/2002 1:10:42 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: SJackson
The reason Brady et al. want "gun control" is that they want to control all the guns. Because whoever controls the guns controls whomever don't.

They fear things like expansion of CCW not because they're afraid they might make crime go up, but because they're afraid it will make crime go down. This is a very common pattern with liberals, btw; they fear school vouchers not because they might fail, but because they would succeed.

Any time you're dealing with liberals, you need to recognize that there are not two political classes in this country, but three:

  1. Those who wish to be controlled.
  2. Those who wish to control themselves.
  3. Those who wish to control others.
Note that category #1 and #3 are both liberals, and yet they are in every other sense the exact opposite of each other. Any time you wish to talk to liberals, you should ascertain whether they are of type #1 or #3. If type #3 you should recognize that there is no need to prove the wrongness of their position, for they already know themselves to be lying.

Now then, ask yourself whether the VPC seems like #1 or #3?

15 posted on 04/08/2002 5:25:04 PM PDT by supercat
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To: supercat
15, good post, nothing to add.
16 posted on 04/08/2002 5:54:45 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson
just keepin' it on the top...
17 posted on 04/08/2002 6:04:49 PM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: SJackson
Bump...
18 posted on 04/08/2002 6:09:10 PM PDT by Inspector Harry Callahan
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