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OK, this is a dilemma. We should be for states' rights, but we also need alternative energy sources, and I'm pro-nuclear. So we have to put the radwaste somewhere. If not the blasted heath of the Nevada desert, WHERE?
1 posted on 04/09/2002 11:11:28 AM PDT by cogitator
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If not the blasted heath of the Nevada desert, WHERE?

The Saudi desert?

2 posted on 04/09/2002 11:17:12 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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Well, we could always inform the governor that the Nevada share of the Hoover Dam electricty and Colorado River water has been re-allocated to more cooperative states.

I can understand his concern, but when it comes right down to it nuclear power is something we need, and it needs to have someplace for its waste to be stored. Right now, Las Vegas gets its power from Hoover Dam, and so nuclear is not an issue for the governor of Nevada. But if Vegas continues to swell, they too will be wanting a nuclear power plant.

Yucca Mountain seems as good a place as any. How many posts until somebody suggests ANWAR? ;-)

3 posted on 04/09/2002 11:18:19 AM PDT by AzSteven
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saudi arabia
4 posted on 04/09/2002 11:24:08 AM PDT by KQQL
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"The fact that the Yucca Mountain decision was made without any analysis of the transportation risks to the 123 million Americans in states through which this dangerous waste will travel is the dirty little secret," Guinn said.

Guess what governor, they didn't mine the nuclear fuel from underneath the powerplants. They transported the fuel (and continue to do so) past these same 123 million people in the first place. And there's never been one problem. So now that the fuel is depleted and less radioactive, you don't want to transport the fuel back out of the populated areas into a hole in Nevada, where it can't hurt anyone.

Talk about reality-challanged-liberal. This guy saw to many radioactive giant ant movies in the '50s.

5 posted on 04/09/2002 11:25:11 AM PDT by BigBobber
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If not the blasted heath of the Nevada desert, WHERE?

There is a toxic waste disposal facility at 55 West 125th St. in New York. Maybe we could bury more than just the last 8 years of toxic waste there.

6 posted on 04/09/2002 11:29:36 AM PDT by KarlInOhio
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We should be for states' rights

If the Governor says no, then it should be no. Maybe it is a good site, maybe not. What about a long-term lease [100,000 years] at a decent monthly rate that will make the Governor happy?

7 posted on 04/09/2002 11:33:40 AM PDT by RightWhale
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"Congress will have 90 legislative days to override Guinn's veto on a simple majority vote."

Should be a no-brainer. 2 Senators don't want it in Nevada, and 98 want it anywhere but in thier states.
A simple majority should be a breeze.

8 posted on 04/09/2002 11:34:38 AM PDT by Psalm 73
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One little part of the dilemma.....why in hell should the citizens of the State of Nevada be responsible for the dumping by 42 other nations?

Further.....why should the State of Nevada have to take the junk from the rest of the Nation? It seems like Nevada has done more of its share of helping the nation with things atomic, and by extension nuclear.

I suggest storing it in the Halls of Congress, the basement of the White House, and around the homes of all the stockholders and consumers of nuclear power.

BTW, i am all for nuclear power as a large ingredient in the arsenal of power sources. I am not for one state getting stuck with all the s**t!!! And certainly not from a foreign country!!! I don't buy the BS we 'have to save the environment case folks like Russia won't'...then let them eat it when it rots in THEIR environs!

9 posted on 04/09/2002 11:36:21 AM PDT by Rowdee
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"Yucca Mountain is not safe, it is not suitable," Guinn continued...

So says a professional politician who owes his living to gathering a majority of the votes of his constituents, by whatever means possible as long as he doesn't get caught with his pants down (and even then, based on previous experience, he may be okay, if he has a "D" after his name).

OTOH, we have the process of scientific inquiry, which is beholden to no one other than Mother Nature, which has produced study after study indicating the site is safe and suitable for the intended purpose.

Which is more objective, more likely to honor the truth? I'll go with the science.

11 posted on 04/09/2002 11:42:04 AM PDT by chimera
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How about the mine where they dug it up?
12 posted on 04/09/2002 11:44:20 AM PDT by patton
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We should be for states' rights, but we also need alternative energy sources, and I'm pro-nuclear. So we have to put the radwaste somewhere.

i'm always amazed at the incompentence of hte nuclear industry that they went ahead and made thousands of tons of waste without knowing where it was going. I guess they were getting paid all along, and now its someone else's problem.

14 posted on 04/09/2002 11:47:53 AM PDT by gfactor
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Let me guess it's an election year and Gwinn's a struggling incumbent that has to appear as though he's fighting for Nevada.

Bump for later.

24 posted on 04/09/2002 12:22:16 PM PDT by swheats
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Jenin, Gaza City, Ramallah, ...
26 posted on 04/09/2002 12:56:14 PM PDT by SR71A
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Saudi Arabia sounds good to me!
28 posted on 04/09/2002 1:08:22 PM PDT by pulaskibush
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Like you, I've always been in favor of nuclear power, but I also have always been in favor of knowing what to do with the waste products before they were a problem. Our government, pushed by the likes of ENRON, put the cart before the horse - as usual.

In fact, there is no safe place on this earth to put all that radioactive garbage. Worse yet, as the Governor has pointed out, there is a significant hazard involved in transporting it to any site. However, now that the problem is upon us, the transportation problem is a given, one we have no choice but to deal with. The storage problem, on the other hand, is one we don't have to deal with.

Why not put NASA to work doing something useful? Why not package the stuff up and shoot it into the sun?

33 posted on 04/09/2002 1:26:25 PM PDT by oldfart
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I don't see the problem. Override the governor's veto. He still gets to look like a hero to those who've been needlessly scared about nuclear waste, and the stuff finally leaves the cooling ponds where it is vulnerable to terrorist attack.

Jimmy Carter got us into this mess, so I guess an alternative would be to put it on his peanut farm.

Breeder reactors are the way to go.

43 posted on 04/09/2002 1:47:53 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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So we have to put the radwaste somewhere. If not the blasted heath of the Nevada desert, WHERE?

One serious alternative is to reprocess the "waste" and recycle it as fuel.
Nevertheless, these Nevada politicians are an national embarassment and a disgrace.
Nevada Power is teetering on bankruptcy despite unacceptable rate increases, and the dam*ed idiots are hellbent on obstructing utilization of nuclear power.
Furthermore, alternatives such as solar are not economicly feasible despited the natural advantage of Nevada being one of the sunniest states in the Union.
These posturing bozos will not get my vote based specificly on this issue.

47 posted on 04/09/2002 2:00:39 PM PDT by Willie Green
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was'nt this site already built? They took money for a project they refuse to now use? Maybe Nevada owes Uncle Sam some money.
52 posted on 04/09/2002 2:09:52 PM PDT by linn37
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I don't think there is a states' rights issue here.

As I understand it, at least most of the federal lands in Nevada were not "taken from" the state of Nevada. The state of Nevada never owned them. Nevada began life as a territory of the United States -- the whole territory was owned by the federal government. The United States admitted Nevada to statehood on the understanding that large lands in Nevada would continue to be federal property.

Admission of a territory to statehood means that the Federal government yields land which it already owns to be the territory of a new political community within the United States, a new state. The United States is under no obligation to admit any territory to statehood, or to give any territory any more federal land than it wishes to give. The United States admitted Nevada to the Union without yielding to the new state certain lands within its borders which were and are owned by the United States.

Article 4, Section 3 of the Constitution states: "The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States..."

Yucca Mountain is property belonging to the United States. The state of Nevada has no jurisdiction over Yucca Mountain. The President has made this decision according to "rules and regulations" established by Congress. It is entirely constitutional. Nevada will simply embarrass itself if it tries to make this a states' rights issue.

(reposted from "Bush Endorses Yucca Mountain")

53 posted on 04/09/2002 2:13:23 PM PDT by kidd
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I still say Alexandria, Virginia and the other DC suburbs are the perfect places for it. They say it's safe, so why would they resist? Bravo for the Governor of Nevada.
54 posted on 04/09/2002 2:13:41 PM PDT by henderson field
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