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Questioning the Morality of Military Attacks on Civilians
New York Times ^ | 4/6/02 | PETER STEINFELS

Posted on 04/11/2002 2:15:10 PM PDT by H.R. Gross

April 6, 2002

Questioning the Morality of Military Attacks on Civilians

By PETER STEINFELS

The headline was "100,000 People Perished, but Who Remembers?" Appearing in The New York Times on March 14, it perfectly captured the essence of a powerful report from Tokyo about the forgotten victims of March 10, 1945, when, as the Times correspondent Howard French wrote, "a fleet of American B-29 bombers dropped 1,665 tons of napalm-filled bombs on Tokyo."

Sixteen square miles of the city went up in flames and 100,000 perished in a single night. Although scores of similar incendiary raids on Japanese cities followed, their memory, even in Japan, seems to have been obliterated by the mushroom clouds over Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Among one group, however, the memory was not lost: philosophers, theologians and military and political leaders concerned with the ethics of warfare. They have long considered those raids leading examples of how a well-established moral principle, forbidding direct attacks on civilian populations, collapsed.

The breakdown began earlier, with the British decision to terror bomb German cities in reprisal for the London blitz, and ended in the nuclear strategy of massive retaliation. To the defense that direct and indiscriminate attacks on civilians can ultimately end wars sooner and thus spare lives, most moralists have replied that the end does not justify the means.

Recently "who remembers?" has become a question pertinent to debates over the war in Afghanistan and more recently in the Middle East. Those who do remember can only blink their eyes at the fierce charges and countercharges last year over incidents involving Afghan civilian deaths numbered in two digits. At the same time, television documentaries on biological warfare were showing how only a few decades ago American war planners (and Soviet ones as well) were devising weapons and strategies that would have indiscriminately wiped out civilians by the tens of millions.

Determining the numbers and causes of civilian casualties in Afghanistan as precisely as possible is important, but it already seems indisputable that the United States military not only rejected direct attacks on civilians but also strove mightily to avoid what is antiseptically termed "collateral damage" — and that this represents a major reversal of earlier attitudes.

When opponents of American actions in Afghanistan, as well as in the Persian Gulf and Kosovo, refuse to acknowledge any progress in this area, it suggests that their concern about the fate of civilians cloaks an opposition springing fundamentally from other sources.

That is a complaint of Michael Walzer, the political theorist whose widely used study "Just and Unjust Wars: A Moral Argument With Historical Illustrations" (Basic Books) strongly defended the principle that civilians should be immune from direct attack.

Writing in the spring issue of Dissent magazine, Mr. Walzer challenges the unqualified demand that any response to the terrorism of Sept. 11 had to avoid endangering civilians. This demand, he says, was simply "intended to make fighting impossible."

"I haven't come across any arguments," he writes, "that seriously tried to describe how this (or any) war could be fought without putting civilians at risk, or to ask what degree of risk might be permissible, or to specify the risks that American soldiers should accept in order to reduce the risk of civilian deaths.

"All these were legitimate issues in Afghanistan, as they were in the Kosovo and Gulf wars," he continues, but not issues really confronted by demonstrators chanting "Stop the bombing."

Mr. Walzer is ultimately more interested in addressing left-wing attitudes toward the United States than in the soundness of current moral debates about war and peace.

But the integrity of moral discourse about warfare is surely threatened when concern about civilians ceases to have much to do with what is happening on the ground but instead becomes an instrument to support a prior condemnation of all war, or at least all American war. It begins to look like the military is taking the principle of civilian immunity more seriously than many war critics.

On the other hand, one can say that it is easy for the armed forces to agree that the end doesn't justify the means now that smart bombs and other technological advances in weaponry have supplied new means for discriminating between military and civilian targets. What will the United States do if it faces a situation where these new options don't work?

That is exactly the challenge posed by the suicide bombings in the Middle East. A few have been aimed at military targets but most, like the Netanya hotel bombing on the first night of Passover, have been as pure examples of directly attacking civilians as one could conceive.

Defenders of these actions maintain that these are the only effective means that Palestinians possess in the face of overwhelming Israeli military power. What is more, defenders of suicide bombers — "martyrs" would be the language they prefer — argue that they have still not caused as many civilian casualties as the "collateral damage" of Israeli military actions. Those defenders would be incensed by the idea that their small-scale actions, however lethal, represent the same kind of immorality as the destruction of 100,000 lives in a raging inferno.

Those are not things said out loud in Europe and the United States. But they are tempting thoughts to those who identify strongly with Palestinian frustrations and perhaps even to some who feel that a greater balance of power between Palestinians and Israelis could actually force a settlement.

The questions posed by that temptation could not be more basic: Is the moral line against directly attacking civilians going to be crossed once again to fit the circumstances? Does the end justify the means? Who remembers?


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1 posted on 04/11/2002 2:15:10 PM PDT by H.R. Gross
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To: JeffHead
Here is a thread discussing what you first stated on the thread about Israel/Palestine.
2 posted on 04/11/2002 2:24:49 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: H.R. Gross
On the other hand, one can say that it is easy for the armed forces to agree that the end doesn't justify the means now that smart bombs and other technological advances in weaponry have supplied new means for discriminating between military and civilian targets.

Ultimately, the use of violence inherently rejects 'civilized' behavior. 'Laws of war' is an oxymoron.

However, when it is in a nation's best interest to abide by customs of war, then it will do so. Making war on civilians instead of on combatants is inefficient (if you're fighting a conventional war - not terrorism from a position of weakness). Attacking a hospital or a school instead of a military target is inefficient. Treating POWs 'properly' provides an incentive for your opponent to do the same.

The better you can focus your war effort on combatants and enemy combat power, the more efficient it will be. The 'laws of war' become a recognition of practices that benefit the attacking nation. Pragmatism rules - at last for the winning side. Thankfully, more accurate weapons have the collateral benefit of reducing collateral damage.
4 posted on 04/11/2002 2:32:58 PM PDT by Gorjus
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To: H.R. Gross
It is hard to tell who is a soldier or a civilian, an adult of a achild, when a 10 year old boy blows up himself and 13 Israeli soldiers. Instead of the three "Rs" they are taught to hate the Jews. Heard the other day...."Peace may have a chance when the Arabs learn to love their own children more than they hate the Jews." Negotiations, more promises not kept, or giving up the occupied lands would be only another step in their long range plan to do away with Israel. There is no solution that will work except to do away with the radical leaders of the PLO.
5 posted on 04/11/2002 2:35:06 PM PDT by bobg
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To: bobg
correction.... It is hard to tell who is an adult OR a child.
6 posted on 04/11/2002 2:38:40 PM PDT by bobg
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To: H.R. Gross
I have been wondering the last few days when we might see bombs start going off in Palestinian neighborhoods, the old eye for an eye thing. If the IDF can't stop the suicide bombers I fear that will be the next step.
7 posted on 04/11/2002 2:44:25 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: H.R. Gross
To speak of "innocent civilians" is nothing but pure Horse Sh*t anyway. The only innocents are between 1 and 8 years of age. Anything else is collateral damage. When a civilian works at a factory turning out arms for their country's defense ... they're NOT innocent. When they give aid and comfort to an enemy, they are NOT innocent. WW2 was total war, no well defined boundaries and "No Fire" zones. Being in the military all I can tell you is that in wartime you pay your nickle and take your chances. If you happen to end up a casualty of war, thems the breaks. All the whining about Israel kicking ass on the Palestinians is being done by those who don't have enough spine to fight for their beliefs.

These peaceniks are the next generation of "cattle" who will be the first in line when the dictators start lining people up for the boxcar ride to the extermination camp.

8 posted on 04/11/2002 2:46:18 PM PDT by Colt .45
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To: H.R. Gross
Interesting article — if you read "The New Dealers' War" by Thomas Fleming, it includes a section about the debate surrounding so-called "morale bombing" during WWII. Fleming's contention is that it did not have the intended effect, and in fact delayed the end of the war (coupled with the idea of unconditional surrender, which he regards as one of FDR's worst strategic blunders).
9 posted on 04/11/2002 2:46:41 PM PDT by Polonius
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To: H.R. Gross
Those are not things said out loud in Europe and the United States. But they are tempting thoughts to those who identify strongly with Palestinian frustrations and perhaps even to some who feel that a greater balance of power between Palestinians and Israelis could actually force a settlement.

I must say that the idea of the Palestinians having equal military power with the Israelis is a nightmare to contemplate.  Does anyone think they would have failed to used "the bomb" if they had it?  Whew, this is a chaming thought that this writer must have overlooked to about the same degree he missed the other points in his commentary.

I'm really sick and tired of people trying to spin current Israeli actions as attacks on innocent civilians.  Does anyone think the men holed up with Arafat are innocents?  Does anyone think that those holed up in Bethleham are innocent civilians?  Do they think that all people who are shooting at the Israelis and killed, are simply innocents?

This is a cock and bull pipe dream.  I'm tired of hearing it fronted as fact.

Thanks for the post.

10 posted on 04/11/2002 2:52:45 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Colt .45
These peaceniks are the next generation of "cattle" who will be the first in line when the dictators start lining people up for the boxcar ride to the extermination camp.

When I was in high school, the local police department would display several totalled autos in front of the school each spring about prom time as a warning against drinking and driving. I think the impact saved lives.

All high school students should visit an exact replica of a concentration camp as General Eisenhower saw it in 1945. The victims could be wax figures, but the smell and the sound of suffering could be added by Steven Spielberg's buddies.

11 posted on 04/11/2002 2:53:44 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: Colt .45
The only innocents are between 1 and 8 years of age. Anything else is collateral damage. When a civilian works at a factory turning out arms for their country's defense ... they're NOT innocent. When they give aid and comfort to an enemy, they are NOT innocent.

I'm not going to say whether or not I agree with this.

I just have one question: If the same were done to us, would you accept this as a valid defense from an enemy officer at a war crimes trial? Would you acquit an enemy officer who ordered such attacks against us?

Please don't take this as an attack on you. I'm just curious if this cuts both ways.

If other freepers have opinions on this, I'd like to hear them.

12 posted on 04/11/2002 3:01:44 PM PDT by freeeee
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To: H.R. Gross;Phil V.;Watchmaker;Dark Wing
The United States government decided on June 18, 1945, to commit genocide on the Japanese by spraying their cities with poison gas from the air, starting two weeks before our invasion of Japan, and continuing until resistance ended or all the Japanese were dead, whichever came first. We then moved hundreds of thousands of tons of poison gas to the Pacific to do this.

The A-Bomb was our last-ditch effort to avoid having to do this.

Check out the Autumn 1997 issue of Military History Quarterly for the article by Norman Polmar and Thomas Allen.

You can read a discussion of the implications of our prospective genocide of Japan by going to Google Advanced Groups search at:

http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search

and do a search for the "Exact Phrase" A Study of the Possible Use of Toxic Gas in Operation Olympic.

The Emperor of Japan ordered a surrender because he knew we really would kill all of them.

He realized that when he left his palace after our first big fire-bombing raid on Tokyo to inspect the piles of charred, smoking bodies in the streets, and the piles of boiled corpses in what had become totally dry rivers, streams and ponds. A Torch to the Enemy by Martin Caidin.

Japan surrendered because the United States committed deliberate atrocities and war crimes (our fire-bomb and nuclear raids really were that) to shock Japan into surrender. We gave them two alternatives - genocide or surrender. And we posed a credible threat of genocide because we had already started doing that to Japan.

The Japanese gave orders about the same time to commit genocide on all the Allied civilians they could catch in occupied China, the East Indies, etc. IMO they'd have killed several million people a week for months - say 50 million people, about as many as had died in all of World War Two before then. Not counting the 20-30 million Japanese who would have died of gas attack, starvation, disease, napalm and ground fighting during the US invasion.

The Imperial Japanese Army was as evil an institution as the SS, and more lethal.

American fire-bombing attacks on Japan, and nuking of two of its cities, saved at least a 100-150 lives, mostly Chinese but including 20 million plus Japanese, for every Japanese who died in the fireboming and nukes.

So atrocities, war crimes and terror have a place in statecraft. The way to not lose one's moral place is to not start doing those, but when the other side does, finish it, finish it fast, and win.

The United States has known this for a long time - it's in the institutional DNA of our armed forces. From page 510 of The Journal of Military History's April 2002 issue (the current one):

"The Instructions for the Government of Armies of the United States in the Field, more commonly referred to as General Orders 100, were first issued in 1863 at the height of the Civil War and reissued periodically to American combat forces for the next four decades. ...
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If the opponent's citizenry, once occupied, continued to resist, ... they broke the compact and became subject to "protective retribution." Moreover, the preservation of the nation was paramount and justified the killing of armed and -- if unavoidable -- unarmed opponents, the destruction of private property, and the devastation of the enemy's countryside in the name of "military necessity."

The Israelis have been too squeamish about this, IMO, because they're, well, Jewish. But they'll get over that and do what they have to in order to win.

13 posted on 04/11/2002 3:12:21 PM PDT by Thud
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To: H.R. Gross
Truman probably went to his grave with self-doubt over what he ordered. The ironic thing is that it saved more lives than it cost. It's obvious that he did the right thing to demonstrate to the fanatics that they had a losing hand.
14 posted on 04/11/2002 3:15:14 PM PDT by Real Cynic No More
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To: colorado tanker
I have been wondering the last few days when we might see bombs start going off in Palestinian neighborhoods, the old eye for an eye thing. If the IDF can't stop the suicide bombers I fear that will be the next step.

Sounds legit to me. All Israel has to use are remotely detonated car bombs . No Israeli needs to die or suicide himself.

15 posted on 04/11/2002 3:15:28 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: bobg
I have a problem with suicide bombers; however, the situation where someone commits suicide to take out enemy soldiers, to me, is justifiable, and falls under acceptable wartime behavior. It is much different than intentionally targeting civilians. The problem I have with this issue is if it was a 10-year old boy, that is a real problem. Children in our country of that age can't drive, they can't vote, they are not supposed to have sex. They're still children. That makes the person(s) who coerced that child guilty of a most heinous and despicable act.

I wonder what the new UN War Crimes "law" would say about that. Is it a crime against humanity to intentionally send a youngster to do something like that?

16 posted on 04/11/2002 3:19:51 PM PDT by Real Cynic No More
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To: Colt .45
When a civilian works at a factory turning out arms for their country's defense ... they're NOT innocent. When they give aid and comfort to an enemy, they are NOT innocent. WW2 was total war, no well defined boundaries and "No Fire" zones. Being in the military all I can tell you is that in wartime you pay your nickle and take your chances. If you happen to end up a casualty of war, thems the breaks.

The workers in the World Trade Center were making a fortune for Uncle Sam, and helping him to project his power around the world. That attack was not a criminal matter, it was an act of war. Now we have to root out and destroy our enemy every bit as ruthlessly as they've attacked us.

17 posted on 04/11/2002 3:20:33 PM PDT by xm177e2
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To: freeeee
In answer to your question ... yes! If our civilians were bombed while working at a munitions factory its called "tough sh*t" life sucks and then you die.

But seeing as how I would be on the front lines, doing my level best to ensure that they don't come here and do that, I expect support not exacerbation of the situation by some wimp who doesn't even have the guts to put his/her own ass on the line. You can say that my years on active duty have made me cynical about most Americans and those "peacable" turds. They are the ones who tend to suck the life blood of the strong virulent men who've kept this country free.

18 posted on 04/11/2002 3:20:54 PM PDT by Colt .45
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To: dennisw
In today's "Palestine" someone should be questioning the morality of civilian attacks on the military....
19 posted on 04/11/2002 3:21:49 PM PDT by tracer
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To: Colt .45
Thank you for a civil answer. I respect your answer because it isn't hypocritical.

I'm sure you would do your absolute best to prevent the same from happening to us. Please accept my thanks and gratitude for your service to our country.

20 posted on 04/11/2002 3:25:28 PM PDT by freeeee
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