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The Crusades in the Checkout Aisle: CRUSADES NONSENSE FROM U.S. NEWS & WORLD REPORT
CRISIS Magazine - e-Letter ^ | April 12, 2002

Posted on 04/12/2002 9:28:57 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM

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CRUSADES NONSENSE FROM U.S. NEWS & WORLD REPORT

CRISIS Magazine - e-Letter

April 12, 2002

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Dear Reader,

Well, the media is at it again. Last week, as you probably noticed, U.S. News & World Report ran a cover story on the Crusades, promising to tell "the truth about the epic clash between Christianity and Islam."

(Here it is: http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/020408/ideas/8crusades.htm)

Unfortunately, after reading the piece, it was pretty clear that they failed to fulfill that promise.

Coincidentally, the current issue of CRISIS also has a cover story on the Crusades, written by renowned Crusades historian, Dr. Thomas F. Madden. I encourage you to compare the two.

(You can read it here: http://www.crisismagazine.com)

Naturally, after reading the U.S. News & World Report piece, I knew we needed to respond. So we went back to Dr. Madden, and asked him to have at it.

That he did. Here it is...

Sincerely,

Deal W. Hudson

p.s. Please forward this to anyone you think could use the information. Like me, I know you're tired of hearing the media recycle the same nonsense about the Crusades.

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1 posted on 04/12/2002 9:28:57 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: *Catholic_list; *Christian_list; *Abortion_list; *Pro_life; patent; notwithstanding; JMJ333...
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2 posted on 04/12/2002 9:31:00 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
bttt
3 posted on 04/12/2002 9:37:12 PM PDT by Don Myers
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Thanks for the heads-up. Gosh I wish Royalist were still around.
4 posted on 04/12/2002 9:37:58 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
DIRECTOR OF CATHOLIC PREGNANCY COUNSELING CENTER IS AN ESCORT AT ABORTUARY
5 posted on 04/12/2002 9:39:25 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp;*History_list
Check the Bump List folders for articles related to and descriptions of the above topic(s) or for other topics of interest.
7 posted on 04/12/2002 9:46:49 PM PDT by Free the USA
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Sure its full of holes.
Hardly a word about Romes Papal Bulls..concordants..and land seizures..not to mention the overthrow of Non Muslim entites Rome had "Vendetta" with.
The current madness..Americas failed Mid-east policies from 30 years back ,was to imagine that they could control Islam..modify it..enlighten it..give it a softer side via Financial treaty and economic/military enhancement.
Foolish Rome tried the same thing and were nearly run over by the Juggernaught...Outside the gates of Vienna..the Lights finally came on upstairs.
The main reason Islam did not subjugate Europe was logistics..they were streched to far.
Islam despises weakness..it only emboldens them more.
8 posted on 04/12/2002 9:57:27 PM PDT by Light Speed
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
This is the second article in the past few days that disses Runciman's history. It wouldn't bother me all that much except that I spent big bucks about 3 months ago to buy all of his books, thinking that he was DA MAN.
9 posted on 04/12/2002 10:07:01 PM PDT by CaptRon
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To: Goldhammer
Karen Armstrong is a biased apologist for Islam.
11 posted on 04/12/2002 11:30:23 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
While it is true that Aristotle came to the West through Arab translations, those were acquired in Spain where Christians and Muslims did interact.

Whoops. I was about to say: "This makes much more sense, especially since one of the great Christian commentators on Aristotle, Thomas Aquinas, was influenced by Moses Maimonides, the scholar from Cordoba."

Then to confirm my knowledge of history, I did a brief search. Here's what Encyclopedia Brittanica says:

"Jewish philosopher, jurist, and physician. Born in Córdoba, Spain, he was obliged to practice his faith secretly under Islamic rule. To gain religious freedom he settled in Egypt (1165), where he won fame for his medical skill and became court physician to the sultan Saladin."
So somehow the Spanish expatriate Maimonides exerted enough influence for his works to get from Egypt to Europe.
12 posted on 04/12/2002 11:39:02 PM PDT by Dumb_Ox
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To: Goldhammer
Don't expect it from Karen Armstrong either, though her laughable book on the Crusades lines the shelves at the bookstore. Armstrong begins recounting the Crusades with the decree of Urban II.

Exactly. Just forget the over 400 years of Jihading from Spain and the gates of Paris to Asia (leading to the near extinguishing of Eastern Christianity); present a sanitized benign view of the dhimmis under Islam and you have the recipe for pro-Islamic revisionism.

13 posted on 04/12/2002 11:48:35 PM PDT by Lent
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"...the killing of defenders who refused to surrender was the accepted standard for both Muslims and Christians in the Middle Ages."

Isn't this what the Israelis have done in the current military push thru the refugee camps? If it sounds so acceptable then, why is it not acceptable now?

15 posted on 04/13/2002 1:09:38 AM PDT by etcetera
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To: Light Speed
"Outside the gates of Vienna" Bump! And that was a very close-run thing.

It's going to be interesting to see how far all of this goes. Will we begin a new "Reconquista" to take back the Holy Kingdom of "Outremer"?

Dieu le Veut!

Regards,

16 posted on 04/13/2002 4:34:39 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
BUMP....Excellent post
17 posted on 04/13/2002 6:00:16 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Bless you for your posting -- especially the note from Deal Hudson.

By the way, we should remember Karen Armstrong the ex-Catholic, ex-nun, ex-Christian is trying to rewrite the history of everything (including the Crusade) while giving her "august" blessing to the Muslims.

18 posted on 04/13/2002 6:40:41 AM PDT by history_matters
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To: Goldhammer
It's a profound mystery why Pope Urban II called for the Crusade, isn't it?

Present day Islamics, leftists, Christian bashers, etc. yap about the Crusades as if they happened in a vacuum. What happened to the history of this issue is that European Arabist historians began to sanitize the Jihad and the history of Islamic expansionism. In the last several years these lies have been exposed. Bat Ye'or for example in her two books The Dhimmis and The Decline of Eastern Christianity Under Islam has examined the historical hegemony of Islam in its repression, dhimiization and cleansing of whole Christian and Jewish communities, in North Africa, the ME, Asia Minor, etc.

The problem with the Crusades of course is not the initial purpose - to role back the Islamic tide particularly in the Holy Land - but that it went awry turning on Christianity itself, eventually the 4rth Crusade attacking the seat of Eastern Christianity in the Byzantine Empire, Constantinople. The latter definitely was fatal to the empire which eventually led to the success of the Islamic Turks and the beginning of the Ottoman Empire.

19 posted on 04/13/2002 7:21:23 AM PDT by Lent
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Here's a related post Negationism in India

Is there a pattern here? A tendency? A natural drive by some organism? Or what-have-you?

20 posted on 04/13/2002 7:54:54 AM PDT by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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