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ABSOLUTE POWER: What "Pro-Choice" Is Really All About: Answers, Abortion, Fatherhood
4/14/2001 | Sarah E. Hinlicky

Posted on 04/14/2002 8:09:13 AM PDT by The Giant Apricots

What the Choice is All About

by Sarah E. Hinlicky

For a long time it baffled me. To be specific, it baffled me from the first time I heard what exactly an abortion is - I must have been 10 or 11 years old - till last week. I could never ever, for the life of me, no matter how hard I stretched my imagination or suspended my moral judgment, understand why anyone would want to be pro-choice.

I could get the "pro-life-for-me-but-not-anyone-else" point of view, I could conceive (ha!) of the "government-shouldn't-legislate-morality" perspective, I could even sympathize with the "our-country-isn't-there-yet" argument.

But I just couldn't figure out why anyone in her right mind would say that abortion is a right that all women should, must, and ought to have in order to be truly free in a just and democratic society, and thus all other rights should bow before it.

What does the dismembering of fetuses (if you insist on calling them that) have to do with justice and democracy?

And so it was that I spent lo these many years of my life assuming that pro-choice activists either have some sort of inexplicable blood lust, or live in perpetual denial of reality.

But this past week I finally got it. I don't know how they managed to communicate their message so poorly all along that it took me nearly a decade and a half. This is it: when it comes right down to it, pro-choice activists are not talking about fetuses at all.

They're talking about fear. They fear a future in which men control the bodies, lives and futures of women. And that's why we've been talking past each other all this time.

I first began to see the light (so to speak) about two months ago, talking to my old friend Catherine. Catherine does not hesitate to express her opinions or launch the conversation into dangerous topics. We started with capital punishment, and from there it was a short leap to her fears for women during the new presidential regime.

Choice will be taken away, she said, and you know what follows from that. Men impregnating women, keeping them home, beating them up, destroying their career chances, abandoning the infants, children starving on the streets, and the final re-institution of the 1950s.

I was, needless to say, somewhat stunned by the course of her logic. You think we'll get a better world by killing the children? I said.

You think anyone will care to look for solutions to economic and domestic problems when they can just knock off the main players in the drama?

Around and around the debate went. It expanded and contracted and went nowhere. At least we trusted each other to say what we really thought, no small accomplishment in the discussion of this particular issue, but by the end we had to admit that we'd reached a standstill and we might as well quit. (Ironically enough, afterwards Catherine went on to say that she thought our society was hostile to rounded female bodies because it fears fertility in women, and isn't that atrocious?)

The conversation percolated quietly in my brain until this past Thursday, when I went to a public debate on abortion policy over at Princeton University. The main draw: Peter Singer, notorious Australian "bioethicist" who is famous for advocating such things as bestiality and infanticide (the former only if it is mutually pleasurable, the latter presumably not).

His arguments were surprisingly unpersuasive, for they relied upon vegetarianism (?!). The really interesting speaker, in fact, was a student at the university, joining her illustrious colleague on the pro-choice panel.

She spoke very fast and very passionately, and as far as I could tell she only contradicted herself once. But there was this phrase that she kept repeating: "an incubator of the state."

It was her tag line, her emotional hot button, and every time she said it you couldn't help but have a little thrill of 1984-ish horror run up and down your spine. Bearing babies for Uncle Sam? Kitchen, children and church, like Hitler used to say? My uterus a public utility?

What could be more grotesquely offensive to my sensibilities - all of them, as a woman, as a Christian, as an American, as a modern (or even postmodern) - than that? I'm not an incubator of the state, no way.

It took a little while to snap out of the haze she had cast over the crowd. Pro-lifers are certainly not advocating incubation for the state; the phrase misses our point entirely. In the meanwhile, though, I had missed hers too. It took some reflection to get it. She really feared, like Catherine, that some nameless faceless bureaucrats out there (probably men) had it in for her, wanted to punish her for being a woman, being fertile, being (worst of all) sexually active outside of chaste Christian marriage.

She thought that that is what the pro-life side is all about, and she saw her life and future and career and hopes and dreams all threatened.

For her, it's not about life, or babies, or responsibility, or sacrifice. It's all about control. Who's going to control my body, me or the nameless faceless state?

Well heck, I can hardly blame her for choosing herself over them.

The question is, who's got the better grasp on reality? What is this really all about? Is it about saving the lives of innocent babies, or is it about keeping adult women under control?

By sheer coincidence (God's way of remaining anonymous, as the old French proverb goes), the very next day I stumbled across a novel in the library called The Handmaid's Tale, by Margaret Atwood, copyright 1986. It's a movie now too, I guess, and I must have heard the name tossed about on the breeze, so I thought I should read it, ignoring the three 20-page papers I have due in less than a month.

It's a story of a theocracy in not-so-far-distant America, renamed the Republic of Gilead, run by nasty men who take some stuff in Genesis as prescriptive rather than descriptive. Women are divided into their three (and only) functions: Wives, who look pretty and with some luck bear sons, Handmaids who bear sons (for Wives who can't) but do nothing else, and Marthas who cook and clean. They lead regimented lives, every step and bite and word under scrutiny, but men come and go as they please.

Women who perform all three functions, for poorer men, are disdainfully called Econowives. All marriages are arranged and pleasurable sex is permitted only with prostitutes (called Jezebels, of course). Procreating is the only goal in life for women. Love is not a factor. Women who fail in their appointed duties are sent to clean up toxic waste in the Colonies; they only last a couple years, at most.

The moral of the story is not too hard to figure. Men must not control female sexuality, but they obviously want to. Abortion must stay legal. Love must stay free, marriage breakable.

If not, we will have social totalitarianism upon us, and all the progress of the past 40 years will be swallowed up by another interminable reign of the uterus. It's a well-told story, and properly terrifying. Imagine having my books, my school, my tank tops taken away! Imagine having my Bible turned into an instrument of torture! No, I don't want that either.

But is that the threat?

It clicked, finally. When I as a pro-life woman am talking to another woman who is pro-choice, we are not talking about the same thing. I am talking about my horror that the most vulnerable humans in our country are being slaughtered at the rate of 4,400 a day because they can't be paid for, because the boyfriend doesn't want that, because social disapproval has overcome the mother, because fear is the number one motivating factor. But she is talking about her horror that her education might be ended, her rights revoked, her career squelched, all because she has chosen to have sex with a man and nature has taken its course, or worse yet she has been raped by a man and nature has taken its course, and someone out there had decided to punish her for violating their morality.

We're not talking about the same thing. No wonder we can't understand each other. No wonder we can't persuade each other.

As a matter of fact, though, she raises some good questions. Is the pro-life side always motivated purely out of love for the unborn child? You don't need to go to the extreme of abortion clinic bombers to find exceptions to what should be the rule.

Pro-lifers often have strong feelings about chastity and sexual responsibility. Is there a certain amount of satisfaction in the thought that these women are being disproved in their casual sexuality? Or that single irresponsible men are being brought to account for their own wanton behavior?

Or that sex is manifestly not just about having a good time? Is there even a hint of that in there?

I'll tell you right now: that has to go. Not one of us is one hundred percent chaste in word and deed and it is not our business to judge. Life judges harshly enough as it is. Single mothers are the heroes of our time for not taking the easy way out, and we ought to be telling them that. We ought not to be moralistically informing the world that sex has its consequences and they should've seen it coming. They're smart enough to figure that out for themselves. And it shows very little love for people in situations of genuine personal distress.

But I have some questions for my pro-choice friend too. Who does she think is out to get her? Does she really imagine a conspiracy of control-freak middle-aged white upper-middle-class corporate men who want to turn her body into another profit-churning manufacturing plant?

In this prosperous job market, are they really out for her career and her job power? Do they really see her as a machine whose main purpose is to produce babies? I think it's fair to say that her enemies, in this society and at this time, are far more interested in her not producing babies - inconvenient, demanding, messy things that they are. The man most interested in her sexuality is the one who can profit from it without any cost to himself, and he's the one who'll keep her pigeonholed, as non-wife non-mother non-commitment, by his true commitment to abortion availability.

The sad irony for my pro-choice friend is that the abortion regime is far more likely to produce men indifferent or hostile to women than one in which love, marriage and children - the package deal - is given the highest priority.

An honest assessment of sexual dynamics in this country is in order. It is bizarre that possibly 50 percent of marriages fail. It is bizarre that so many abortions are deemed necessary. It is bizarre that pregnancy has been logically disconnected from sex. It is bizarre that broken relationships are the standard experience of modern people. It is bizarre that commitment seems irrational. It is bizarre that is so hard for young folks to fall in love, promise themselves to each other, get married and stick it out.

You've got to wonder about a society when the most natural thing in the world has been turned into the most unnaturally difficult thing in the world.

(Un)fortunately, it's also our only hope.

Enmity has been there between men and women since the beginning of time and shows no signs of abating. There is only one place where a man and a woman can really come to terms with each other, without the games, without the hostility, without the pretense and without the clothes. That is in marriage, operated on trust, and formed in love. Falling in love is the only thing that softens otherwise calculating and manipulative creatures; staying in love, loving willfully and deliberately and permanently against all the odds, is the only way to keep the enmity at bay. This is how men stop seeing women as meat, objects, possessions, trinkets, subplots; this is how women stop distrusting, deceiving and wheedling for power that they physically don't have.


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To: The Giant Apricots
That contract is the basis for all civilized societies.

Yes and that contract is called marriage and it is made the moment a man and a woman begin intercourse. No papers or wedding vows or official sanction needed. The bible told me so. I believe it is 100% true and correct. It also describes the punishment for killing a baby in the womb as death. I believe the words "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" are recited at that point.. I also believe that the bible grants men as the head of the family with final say as to the role of the woman in the family. The man takes full responsibility for the families welfare and the decisions made. God granted man control over the lives of his wife and children.

As a man I would not give my responsibilities over to a woman since she has enough to deal with already taking care of the domestic chores. Any woman who is being treated like a man should be very angry as she is being taken advantage of and being abused.

61 posted on 04/17/2002 2:19:22 PM PDT by Khepera
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To: Lorianne;harrison bergeron;nick danger;paul atreides;rdb3;wwjdn;Iron Jack;woahhs;xm177e2;illbay...
women and men enough to say to them: "If you co-conceive you will not be treated unequally and unfairly relative to the other co-conceivor." On the other hand, if we tell men who pro-create they are worth less than women who pro-create, the result will be abortion.

I added men to the first line, and switched the places of women and men in the second, just to illustrate that it needs to go both ways. Not in favor of guys over gals, or in favor of gals overguys, but both ways equally.

The term "single mother" is too often employed as meaning without-and-not-needing the father of the baby. Thus it's danger to fatherhood and thus to society.

At the risk of being complex, it should be noted that what the feminist idealogues want a full matriarchy, in which fathers have no rights whatever, and mothers automatically have sole custody and full control. Via the welfare state and the divorce courts, they are getting exactly that.

Abortion itself, to the ideological drivers of the feminist movement, is lesboedipal: an ideologically-lesbian version of the Oedipal Complex.

Abortion is patricide. As biological fatherhood is the ultimate realization of manhood, aborting a father's baby is the nuclear bomb in the war on fatherhood.

And the studies claiming that 85% of biological fathers participated in the abortion decision and favored it are false. Many such studies were done at abortion clinics, which for obvious reasons, massively taints the sample.

They are proferred as a pre-emptive salvo against their greatest danger: the prospect of men standing up for fatherhood en masse. Which will happen sooner rather than later, and is the best thing that ever could happen to this nation.

Further, they are profferred by pro-lifers who, as HB noted, don't want the killing of prenatal infants, but have an ingrained problem with attributing that killing to the only group legally empowered to make it happen.

So, they look around for a man to blame---the father of the baby, or the male abortionist.

Now, under the USSC decisions Danforth (76) and Casey (92), the father of the baby cannot legally save it. That he cannot is criminal beyond comprehension, and a horror unparalleled in human history.

Thus, until Roe/Danforth/Casey are overturned, only the mother of the baby can save it, and thus must accept responsibility when failing to do so. If she so fails, the blood is on her hands.

All that said, this social image of psuedoparthogenesis, referring to enobled single mothers as though they immaculately conceived, and demonizing unwed fathers even while marginalizing them, HAS to change. It's wrecking families, and society, in unprecedented ways.

Solutions?

An end to no-fault divorce

Covenant marriage laws

A judiciary-binding presumption of joint residential custody in all divorce and out of wedlock cases, rebuttable only when one parent is unfit.

An increase focus on positive images of fatherhood.

An end to dis-incentives for marriage: the "no man in the house" welfare rule, which Tommy Thompson and Wade Horn are working on, and an end to the marriage penalty, which President Bush wants

Couples counseling at Crisis Pregnancy Centers and Churches

62 posted on 04/17/2002 2:34:58 PM PDT by The Giant Apricots
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To: The Giant Apricots
So you are most interested in laying the blame for everything on women? That is the primary goal?

Oddly enough, you seem to think men can save the day by coming forth and wanting their kids. Yet you refuse to allow that men not wanting their kids is a factor on the flip side. This is blatantly biased with the goal not to eliminate abortion but to demonize women and to wash men's hands of abortion entirely. If that is the goal, I suspect you'll eventually reach it, but it won't end abortion.

There are twice as many abortion referrals and inquiries than there are abortions. Some who make appointments don't show up on the appointed day. This does not even take into account those who never call or inquire about abortion at all. This means, most people do not choose abortion, a fact we should be happy about and we should find out why this is the case. A great many of these "choices" not to abort are because the baby had two advocates, not just one or none. This signifies that the father (as well as other family members) is an intergral part of the decision NOT TO abort. We already know the father is a part of the decision to abort. It makes logical sense that he is equally influential in a decision not to abort. We should be finding out what factors actually play into an abortion or non-abortion decision. Study after study has shown that many women do not want to abort and feel pressured to do so either by the father, family members or by the prospect of unequal societal demands on her relative to men who pro-create.

In addition, abortion on demand as the law of the land could not stand were it not for the political support of both men and women. Support by only one side, especially considering that many women are anti-abortion, is not a rational conclusion.

In addition, we are all complicit in abortion by creating a society which devalues women, devalues motherhood (in particular by demonizing the very women who do not abort), devalues parenthood in general, devalues living responsible lives and promotes a double standard for personal accountability for ones actions. It is plain and clear that accountability in pro-creation is one-sided and unfair. We need to strike the root of the problems, not flail away at the branches. Making out the past to be all rosy is also not a solution. Obviously many women felt they had no stake in the status quo, which included being relegated to a lower status in society when they pro-created relative to men who pro-created. Obviously this system was rejected by women, and unfortunately instead of demanding equal status reqardless of pro-creative status, many women chose to fight instead for the right to render themselves un-pregnant in order to claim equal status. This was an extremely shortsighted, cowardly and counterproductive strategy. However the way to correct it is the same as it was before ... women must demand equal status regardless of her pro-creative status. Abortion masks the underlying problem. Abortion only temporarily sweeps that inequality under the rug.

In my opinion a truly radical feminist would not advocate abortion ever, but rather demand equal status and equal obligations between men who pro-create and women who pro-create.
63 posted on 04/17/2002 3:20:22 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: The Giant Apricots
Now, under the USSC decisions Danforth (76) and Casey (92), the father of the baby cannot legally save it. That he cannot is criminal beyond comprehension, and a horror unparalleled in human history.

That he would ever have to bespeaks a moral bankruptcy that mocks even instinct.

64 posted on 04/17/2002 4:34:05 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: Lorianne
It is plain and clear that accountability in pro-creation is one-sided and unfair. We need to strike the root of the problems, not flail away at the branches.

Mayhaps we define accountability diiferently. I would say that fathers have the worst of it once the child is born: their joint custody rights are not vaidated, and no one offers them the equal opportunity to be a primary caregiver to the children they sired. If you believe that things are "one-sided and unfair" in such a way as would in your view disadvantage women, I'd be interested to hear your extrapolation of that contention.

...which included being relegated to a lower status in society when they pro-created relative to men who pro-created.

How so "a lower status"? Having the opportunity to stay home all day and be a primary parent while your spouse pays all your bills is an immensely advantaged position not traditionally offered to men.

... women must demand equal status regardless of her pro-creative status. Abortion masks the underlying problem. Abortion only temporarily sweeps that inequality under the rug.

What would you call "equal status" in contrast to "inequality"?

65 posted on 04/17/2002 6:08:55 PM PDT by The Giant Apricots
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To: The Giant Apricots
I do believe that this article is the first that I have seen that is right on the money!
66 posted on 04/17/2002 6:13:14 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: The Giant Apricots
Mayhaps we define accountability diiferently. I would say that fathers have the worst of it once the child is born: their joint custody rights are not vaidated, and no one offers them the equal opportunity to be a primary caregiver to the children they sired. If you believe that things are "one-sided and unfair" in such a way as would in your view disadvantage women, I'd be interested to hear your extrapolation of that contention.

I am all for fathers having equal rights and obligations in parenting. I've also already mentioned I favor a paternal veto on abortion. There ARE inequities to fathers that need to be rectified in our divorce/custody laws. But I don't think this has much to do with abortion because by and large IMO women don't abort in order to prevent fathers from parenting.

Lorianne: ...which included being relegated to a lower status in society when they pro-created relative to men who pro-created.

How so "a lower status"?

Oh come now. You know very well the history of disparity between women who have pro-created out of wedlock and men who have. There is a long long history of inequitable treatement, punishment, retribution, etc ... even death... against women who have pro-created while the man is rarely even reprimanded. This is the tradition that lead to infanticide in earlier times. And it still goes on today in other forms... you hear it all over these threads where men demonize women (in the vilest terms) when in fact the woman did exactly the same thing the man did, she had sex. There are plenty of people who want to punish the woman for having sex but not the man. Pregnancy gives them all the ammunition they need. To them "pregnancy" proves that the woman is "at fault" though this makes no logical sense, they don't care. Irrational scapegoating becomes the major goal. Is it any wonder many women will render themselves un-pregnant in the face of such harsh criticism of "pregnancy" (as opposed to equal criticism between the parties)?

In additon, girls/women who are parents are "expected" to sacrifice education, career, etc. to a degree unequal to the expectaion on fathers. If this is by mutual agreement I see no problem, but the consensus, especially in OOW conception situations is that the female has screwed up her life and the male hasn't; she will pay, he will not. And society strictly enforces that as code and makes sure it will happen. Is it any surprise many women abort rather than submit to this harrassment? What do you think the "right to privacy" was all about?

Having the opportunity to stay home all day and be a primary parent while your spouse pays all your bills is an immensely advantaged position not traditionally offered to men.

What a rosy picture you paint! Again if this is by mutual agreement fine, I agree. If so, the employed spouse is not "paying all the bills" of the other spouse .... they are dividing up the tasks at hand by mutual agreement. Your wordage devalues the stay at home parent by casting them in the role of supplicant for their room and board and cushy "lifestyle" when in fact most stay at home parents work as much as the employed parent does.

Lorianne: ... women must demand equal status regardless of her pro-creative status. Abortion masks the underlying problem. Abortion only temporarily sweeps that inequality under the rug.

What would you call "equal status" in contrast to "inequality"?

When a child is concieved, right away there is an expectation by men, women, society .... that both parents will share equally in the responsibility and obligations to the child-to-be and both will share equally in any sacrifices which may have to be made if the conception occurs at a less than opportune time. That means if there is a conception to teenage parents, both the boy and the girl will have 50/50 accountability and responsibility to the child. That would be "equal status". Unequal status is the expectation that it is the girl/woman who must lose-out (which is what we preach to young girls), who must be "punished" for the act TWO people took part in. Telling girls/women they WILL be unequally held accountable in unintended/unwanted conception situations and that they MUST accept this unequal treatement as their fate ... is a major reason why we have abortion.
67 posted on 04/17/2002 6:54:09 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: rdb3
I have the same problem you do. I see it as the womans fault when she gets pregnant, not the mans.
68 posted on 04/17/2002 7:11:33 PM PDT by winodog
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To: winodog
windog: I see it as the womans fault when she gets pregnant, not the mans

Translation: I believe men have the God-given right to 100% risk-free, consequence-free sex.
69 posted on 04/17/2002 7:54:10 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: ElkGroveDan
"It would probably never happen, but I would love to see the results of a survey of women who had abortions that asked who was the stronger advocate of their abortion; the man or the woman."

Talk to any alternative pregnancy center worker, and they will tell you that the number one thing that will stop an abortion is a supportive husband or boyfriend. Number two is supportive parents. Most women and girls who get abortions are not feminazis, but women looking for a way out of an ill timed predicament that will drastically alter their lives. Unfortunately, that "way out" costs a life.

70 posted on 04/17/2002 8:03:12 PM PDT by joathome
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To: rdb3
"Yet, I NEVER impregnated one woman in my life. Not one."

You don't REALLY know that, do you? NO, YOU DON'T! Especially considering that so many men on this board consider women nothing but cheap, lying tarts. :(

71 posted on 04/17/2002 8:14:13 PM PDT by joathome
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To: The Giant Apricots
"And the studies claiming that 85% of biological fathers participated in the abortion decision and favored it are false. Many such studies were done at abortion clinics, which for obvious reasons, massively taints the sample"

Sorry, but that is correct. Ask any pro-life clinic worker what's the number one thing standing between a woman and a decision to abort, and that worker will tell you that it is a supportive husband or father. Supportive parents also help, in the case of young teen girls.

72 posted on 04/17/2002 8:27:05 PM PDT by joathome
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To: The Giant Apricots
"How so "a lower status"? Having the opportunity to stay home all day and be a primary parent while your spouse pays all your bills is an immensely advantaged position not traditionally offered to men."

Really? My husband is a superb father who spends virtually all of his free time with his children, but he does not consider my staying home an "immensely advantaged position." Rather, he views it as God's plan for our family. If God had intended him to care for infants in the home instead of me, he would have given him breasts to nurse, for starters. :)

73 posted on 04/17/2002 8:32:45 PM PDT by joathome
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To: joathome
You don't REALLY know that, do you?

Pray tell, what evidence do you have that suggests that I truly don't know this to be the case?

74 posted on 04/17/2002 8:33:48 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: rdb3
Just pointing out that any woman could have gotten pregnant and had an abortion without telling you, or were all those women pro-lifers?

It's a misconception to think you would have been told, especially since you made it clear in your posts that these were not all "committed" relationships.

75 posted on 04/17/2002 8:41:58 PM PDT by joathome
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To: The Giant Apricots
Good job.
76 posted on 04/17/2002 8:42:05 PM PDT by hocndoc
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To: joathome
Just as I thought, no evidence. Just speculation to prove some type of irrelevant point.
77 posted on 04/17/2002 8:47:12 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: Marine Inspector
Can you give me a diagnosis that would fit your scenario? I don't know of one that is not an immediate life-endangering emergency. And none of them require the death of the child as a condition.
78 posted on 04/17/2002 8:48:12 PM PDT by hocndoc
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To: Lorianne
When a child is concieved, right away there is an expectation by men, women, society .... that both parents will share equally in the responsibility and obligations to the child-to-be and both will share equally in any sacrifices which may have to be made if the conception occurs at a less than opportune time. That means if there is a conception to teenage parents, both the boy and the girl will have 50/50 accountability and responsibility to the child. That would be "equal status".

I agree with all of that 100%. Perhaps we're not as far apart as either of us have perceived to this point. Still...

Unequal status is the expectation that it is the girl/woman who must lose-out (which is what we preach to young girls), who must be "punished" for the act TWO people took part in. Telling girls/women they WILL be unequally held accountable in unintended/unwanted conception situations and that they MUST accept this unequal treatement as their fate ...

A) You see the current expectation that the mother will sacrifice career and education to be the primary caregiver as unfair to her. O.K. I'd love to see a societal expectation that fathers will spend equal time---and be OBLIGATED to spend equal time---with all children they father. Equal responsibility.

B) In turn, I see the current expectation that the father will be just a bankbook, working to support the child without the legally right to be an equal caregiver/parent. So, similarly to the above, I'd love to see a societal expectation that mothers be OBLIGATED to provide the same percentage of their income to supporting child/family as the father is.

So how would you suggest the imbalances in A and B be rectified simultaneously?

79 posted on 04/17/2002 8:51:03 PM PDT by The Giant Apricots
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To: hocndoc
Thank you very much...
80 posted on 04/17/2002 8:52:14 PM PDT by The Giant Apricots
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