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1 posted on 04/15/2002 4:34:52 AM PDT by Fintan
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To: Fintan
Good to see ARI products in the mainstream press.
2 posted on 04/15/2002 4:40:43 AM PDT by RJCogburn
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To: Fintan
It means that your life and property belong to you, not to the state or to society.

It means the selfish ones are those who seek to take others money, not those who seek to keep their own.

3 posted on 04/15/2002 4:44:16 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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4 posted on 04/15/2002 5:01:55 AM PDT by IronJack
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Coerced altruism is made worse in the U.S. because the 50 percent that don't pay taxes are also eligible to vote in public elections. Thus, a simple majority, that has no responsibility to pay for government services, will vote consistently for politicians that promote more (free) government services. This scheme is inherently corrupt. The progressive income tax system is the root of this corruption. A flat tax would go a long way to correct this Marxist scam. Unfortunately, too many Demorats get elected while promoting this scam. Demorats need to be publicly demonized around 15 April for promoting this scam.
5 posted on 04/15/2002 5:18:32 AM PDT by Tralfaze McWatt
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*yawn*

I'd support ditching the income tax. Won't happen.

However, while we have it, there's no excusing that the wealthiest indeed get the greatest benefit from a vibrant economy, low crime and relative peace abroad. We should probably adjust the upper bracket so mutli-millionaires and multi-billionaires pay a share more in line to the overall benefit they've received. At such levels, money is just making more money. It has little to do with their continued daily effort, nor even really what their contribution is worth to humanity.

Perhaps a special sportsman and entertainer tax is in order for all those nothings which contribute only to the decay of decency and morality to pay us for having to put up with them. And no more damned tax-payer funded ballbarks, too.

There was one op-ed in the local paper on Sunday suggesting, in essense, it wasn't fair that the poorest 50% don't pay 50% of all taxes. The writer, somewhere off in an alternate reality, neglects to realize any tax on the poor has a bigger impact on that person's or family's buying power. These aren't people of means. At those levels it can mean passing on necessary health care and I'm not talking about vanity or lifestyle indulgences like birth-control pills and viagra but full-time care for an dementia patient who is too dangerous to be cared for at home any longer.

To someone in the upper brackets, and yet they too can live beyond their means but who have the financial resources and management resources available to them to more easily avoid it, such costs are hardly an issue at all. Consider Limbaugh and his not bothering with health care insurance and HMOs, instead using his financial means to pay as he needs. Damned few are in his position. Most must wait two, three months in the HMO queue for kidney or liver ultrasounds, colonoscopies, and other tests.

We can't all be in the top 1%. The economy, from a business and consumer angle demands a majority of people at lower income levels to fill critical, if often menial tasks. We can't all be making $150,000/year. Businesses and conservatives already grouse at increases in minimum wage, imagine if we were all paid like lawyers (or, in some places, like teachers!).

Sometimes I wonder if Democrat's solution is to import (near) slave labour in the form of illegal immigration and the Republican solution is to rent near, or actual, slave labour in foreign countries all the while both are gleeful as our investment portfolios bloom and we drag on our health care system with habits of excess drink, smoking, and unhealthy diets. At least Rush, being able to pay in full, dodges the hypocrasy yolk by not being a drag on HMO costs and contributing to the need for higher premiums.

Or not.

6 posted on 04/15/2002 5:19:15 AM PDT by newzjunkey
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the altruistic goal the government desires

nice try but you missed the point
do the math .....
take money from 49 % of the people
give to 51 % of the people =
perpetual power.

7 posted on 04/15/2002 5:19:52 AM PDT by THEUPMAN
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As someone who lives in the Philadelphia area and who occasionally reads the Philadelphia Inquire. I am stunned that they even printed this article.

Is this April 1st?

8 posted on 04/15/2002 5:21:48 AM PDT by Falcon4.0
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The truth is lost on the stupid, horse headed masses! They're mad now after writing that check for money that they don't owe to Uncle Sam. Two weeks from now it'll all be forgotten. John & Jane Q. Public will slip back into their slothful world of six packs and video rentals!
10 posted on 04/15/2002 5:28:12 AM PDT by Destructor
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A taxing question: Just what is fair?

The income tax is unfair and needs to be eliminated in favor of user fees and consumption taxes so everyone will pay the taxes. If you buy it or use it, then pay a tax. Today, the vast majority of self-employed folks are tax cheats, never reporting all of their income, and living off salaried folks like leeches.

11 posted on 04/15/2002 5:30:05 AM PDT by JoeGar
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"Fairness" is probably not a concept that can ever be applied to coercive taxation. It's roughly synonymous with "justice," which is about redressing wrongs, not how best to mulct the citizenry, however necessary the process might be.

Having said that, I should add that we could move our tax system a giant step closer to fairness, by replacing income taxes (individual and corporate) with consumption taxes, and by transforming as many governmental activities as possible from tax-funded to fee-for-service. People generally demonstrate greater equanimity about consumption taxes, which are simple to calculate, don't justify invasions of their privacy, and don't require complex recordkeeping and return preparation. They tend to view fee-for-service as inherently fair -- "You ought to pay for what you get." There's probably a role for uniform import and export tariffs, too.

Of course, what I'm suggesting would be a whole lot easier if the government's activities were limited to its Constitutional functions. Sigh.

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
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15 posted on 04/15/2002 5:39:03 AM PDT by fporretto
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Christians find a useful ratio in I Samuel 8. Here, the aging prophet defines for a rebellious people the meaning of tyranny -- a civil government that demands more than God does. And the people still voted for a tyrant, so as to be politically fashionable.
16 posted on 04/15/2002 5:40:17 AM PDT by TomSmedley
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bttt
20 posted on 04/15/2002 5:48:45 AM PDT by lodwick
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They want the rich - which includes the most productive people in society - to be the servants of the poor.

One thing to consider...is a plastic surgeon in Beverly Hills really 500-1,000 times more productive than an elementary school teacher? Is that plastic surgeon more productive than a farmer who grows enough food to feed 10,000 people? Using income as the only measure of productivity seems a bit myopic.

The only vocation in America which is absolutely essential is farming. Without doctors, we'd suffer a 1-5 year loss in longevity, without farmers we'd suffer a 90+% population decline in a matter of 2-3 years. Are farmers more productive than doctors? Not according to income statistics.

22 posted on 04/15/2002 5:56:09 AM PDT by ReadMyMind
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Taxes are like the weather because...............:<)
35 posted on 04/15/2002 6:18:47 AM PDT by verity
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36 posted on 04/15/2002 6:32:50 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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Did you ever get the feeling that it's going to be one of those days???

:)

38 posted on 04/15/2002 6:43:24 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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repubs and dems are both statists: both agree the state can abrogate individual rights. sooner or later, conservative folks have to admit to this. i no longer desire to be rich. I could open two more business if I really wanted to. But for this, I would be penalized by fifty percent of my earnings(that really means TIME). Plus, if I dont, I deprive them of my mind, my production, my money. Run your social programs without my money. If others understood this, Atlas Shrugged, the game would end in a few years. think about it.
41 posted on 04/15/2002 6:53:45 AM PDT by galt-jw
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Locke is right. It's not fair "The top 50 percent pay 96 percent of the total bill " since government spending is out of control, the timing is perfect. There should be a major tax shift raising all the lower tax brackets, then lowering the upper ones to help the poor darlings at the top and squelch the hopes for those at the bottom for ever getting ahead.
44 posted on 04/15/2002 7:33:52 AM PDT by lewislynn
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My wife hates it when I tell this, but we don't allow the word "fair", along with other words, to be used in our home. Instead of "fair" and/or "unfair", we use "right" and/or "wrong". It's incredible how this shortens disputes at our house. The other day, my 13-year-old daughter came running in the room to tell us our 6-year-old daughter had used the "F" word. Scared me to death until she told us the word was "fair".
45 posted on 04/15/2002 7:37:28 AM PDT by Crawdad
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I don't remember being asked to vote on the whole concept of income tax.
46 posted on 04/15/2002 7:39:21 AM PDT by jetson
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