Taxation is Theft

sourcery | 15 April 2002 | sourcery

[sourcery]

Ping!

[steve50]

Bump, quiet in here

[ffusco]

tin foil hat alert! You forgot to mention that the treasury dept is really an offshore corporation liscensd by the Fed to mint money and collect usary fees known as a sales tax-totally illegal! Also aliens are examining me rectally.

[sourcery]

You forgot to mention that the treasury dept is really an offshore corporation liscensd by the Fed to mint money and collect usary fees known as a sales tax-totally illegal! Also aliens are examining me rectally.

Stay calm. Nice men in white coats whill be arriving shortly. They will take care of you.

One can only assume that your use of an ad-hominem attack indicates that you can't refute the thesis I put forward. My challenge to you is this: put up or shut up.

[Torie]

And if you fail to report that you owe taxes, and fail to pay them, you might go to jail, and I certainly hope that you would go to jail. I think these tax protestors and cheats and just selfish bastards who hide behind tendentious and species logic and reasoning to mask the truly noisome nature of their own greed. Even better than jailing them, would be to put them in stocks in the public square, under a sign that says "I am a selfish tax cheat, who wanted you to pay my share of the bill for the general welfare. Nothing harder than a rotton tomato may be thrown at me. Thank you for your cooperation."

[southern rock]

Taxation is Theft

Yes it is. Good article. Bump!

[jrherreid]

Ookay--so, the government should just hold monthly bake sales in order to raise funds?

[sourcery]

And if you fail to report that you owe taxes, and fail to pay them, you might go to jail, and I certainly hope that you would go to jail. I think these tax protestors and cheats and just selfish bastards who hide behind tendentious and species logic and reasoning to mask the truly noisome nature of their own greed. Even better than jailing them, would be to put them in stocks in the public square, under a sign that says "I am a selfish tax cheat, who wanted you to pay my share of the bill for the general welfare. Nothing harder than a rotton tomato may be thrown at me. Thank you for your cooperation."

Thanks for sharing what you really feel.

I filed my taxes yesterday, as I do every year. I obey many laws I disagree with, because I do not wish to suffer the consequences of not doing so. Nor do I intend to encourage others to illegally fail to pay taxes. What I wish to encourage is to have the tax laws changed--hopefully eliminated.

Do you have as much wrath towards those who legally pay no taxes, as you do for those who avoid paying the taxes they legally owe? Morally speaking, there is no difference. If my tax bill of about $50,000/year is morally justified, then there is no conceivable moral justification for not imposing the same tax bill, in the exact same amount, on everyone equally: we all benefit from the existence and operation of govenment equally, do we not?

[Torie]

Well, in a democracy we decide how to allocate the burden. And the vast majority has decided that ability to pay is releveant, and cross subsidization is acceptable. If you don't like it, move to Hong Kong.

[sourcery]

Ookay--so, the government should just hold monthly bake sales in order to raise funds?

The government has no more right to appropriate funds than you or I do? Can you go to a bake sale and take as many cakes as you want, simply because you need them? If not, then what justifies your hiring IRS agents to come to my door and take my cakes, just because you need them?

There is an alternative to theft. It's called working to earn the capital required to afford the things you need or desire. There is no reason that governments should not have to earn their keep, just as anyone else must. After all, the government is just the agent of the individual persons who are its citizens.

[jrherreid]

After all, the government is just the agent of the individual persons who are its citizens.

Exactly. And if you know anyone who doesn't pay his agent, let me know. I'd like an agent that works for free, too.

[southern rock]

And if you fail to report that you owe taxes, and fail to pay them, you might go to jail, and I certainly hope that you would go to jail. I think these tax protestors and cheats and just selfish bastards who hide behind tendentious and species logic and reasoning to mask the truly noisome nature of their own greed. Even better than jailing them, would be to put them in stocks in the public square, under a sign that says "I am a selfish tax cheat, who wanted you to pay my share of the bill for the general welfare. Nothing harder than a rotton tomato may be thrown at me. Thank you for your cooperation."

Hillary, is that you??

I really, really hope your post is sarcasm. I love how you managed to throw in all the usual liberal buzzwords into your leftist rant. You got "selfish", and "pay my share", and the ever popular "greed". LOL!! Your post has to be a goof, Right??

If not, you should really back to DU where you belong.

[sourcery]

Well, in a democracy we decide how to allocate the burden.

In a democracy, they vote to whatever the majority pleases, without regard to whether or not it is moral.

And the vast majority has decided that ability to pay is releveant, and cross subsidization is acceptable.

That does not make it morally right. Nor does it imply that I have no right to petition for a redress of grievances.

If you don't like it, move to Hong Kong.

If you don't like being revealed as morally corrupt, then don't listen to what I have to say (although it doesn't seem like you really did, anyway).

[southern rock]

Well, in a democracy we decide how to allocate the burden.

We are NOT a democracy!!! Now I know you are a Demo!

[sourcery]

Exactly. And if you know anyone who doesn't pay his agent, let me know. I'd like an agent that works for free, too.

How about an agent that works whether you wanted to hire him or not? And whose price is decided by him, and isn't negotiable? I'll be your agent on that basis--the fixed, non-negotiable price I charge is exactly my annual tax bill.

[Torie]

Yawn.

[jrherreid]

How about an agent that works whether you wanted to hire him or not? And whose price is decided by him, and isn't negotiable? I'll be your agent on that basis--the fixed, non-negotiable price I charge is exactly my annual tax bill.

Hey--it's part of being a US citizen. If you don't want to pay the agent, don't join the club. You're always free to move to another country, you know. You also have to pay for electricity, water, and phone use--is that theft?

[sourcery]

Hey--it's part of being a US citizen. If you don't want to pay the agent, don't join the club. You're always free to move to another country, you know.

Um, I've just started my own country. It's territory includes the entire universe. Everyone living in my country owes me taxes: $50,000/year. You consent to this obligation as a condition for living in my country. Pay up.

You also have to pay for electricity, water, and phone use--is that theft?

No, not as long I can choose whether to engage in the transaction, and am not coerced by others into doing business only with certain persons.

[jrherreid]

Um, I've just started my own country. It's territory includes the entire universe. Everyone living in my country owes me taxes: $50,000/year. You consent to this obligation as a condition for living in my country. Pay up.

Somebody isn't thinking. Check back if you have a logical argument.