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Sex, Equality, And Kidding Ourselves (Should Men put their foot down and say enough is enough??)
FredonEverything.com ^ | 4/17/02 | Fred Reed

Posted on 04/17/2002 1:58:35 PM PDT by M 91 u2 K

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To: Valpal1
I read my bible and I know which gender was given headship.

I wish I was given "headship" a lot more often than I am.
81 posted on 04/18/2002 11:12:35 AM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: Harrison Bergeron
Have you ever imagined that you have a negative reaction to the material is because it is not a ready resource of snappy comebacks and repartee, can't be distilled to a "for Dummies" level, and that this may indicate that it is beyond your ability to comprehend, and that you are projecting your intellectual deficiencies on the material?
82 posted on 04/18/2002 1:55:29 PM PDT by Mortimer Snavely
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To: Harrison Bergeron
The series is for mature intelligent people. That's why I didn't issue you an invitation to go there.
83 posted on 04/18/2002 2:11:20 PM PDT by RLK
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To: Mortimer Snavely
"Have you ever imagined that you have a negative reaction to the material is because it is not a ready resource of snappy comebacks and repartee, can't be distilled to a "for Dummies" level, and that this may indicate that it is beyond your ability to comprehend, and that you are projecting your intellectual deficiencies on the material?"

No, but I'm betting you haven't read a word of the material I criticized, which would put you about on the plane you're trying to put me.

As I pointed out, there could well be a million words of diatribe at that site on the state of male/female relationships. It's written in a stilted pedantic tone, and rife with the repeated use of "I think this..." and "In my opinion that..." And nowhere, I mean nowhere, is the a footnot or citation to validate or substantiate a single claim. Then, to top it all off, it all resides under the main website of one J. Orlin Grabbe, notorious internet pseudo-intellectual, snake oil salesman, and conspiracy theorist.

How's that for snappy comeback and repartee?

84 posted on 04/18/2002 2:11:58 PM PDT by Harrison Bergeron
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To: RLK
A lot of interesting looking material at your site, but having seriously scanned your analysis on male/female relationships and the "war of the sexes," I have to say it's pedantic, puritannical, provincial, and naive in the extreme in the sense that you place yourself inside of events after your time in which you obviously have no experience. As far out in the ether as you go with all of your political material, your "sex war" analysis is both simplistic and verbose in the far far extreme. Who actually pays you for that stuff?

My maturity or lack thereof is a whole other issue. But note that I criticize your written word, while you attack me personally. Pot, kettle, black.

85 posted on 04/18/2002 2:52:14 PM PDT by Harrison Bergeron
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To: born yesterday
It seems reasonable to assume that if sperm count plummets, a man's masculine attitudes and behaviors will also plummet.

This is not correct. The sperm count has nothing to do with masculine attitudes and behaviours.
I think you are thinking about testoterone. Or if you want the opposite hormone, from women, estrogen.

86 posted on 04/18/2002 2:52:51 PM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: Harrison Bergeron
What you are looking for is someone to joust with so you can show your vocabulary. Find another sucker.
87 posted on 04/18/2002 3:22:10 PM PDT by RLK
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To: boris
If they get film of a female P.O.W. being tortured and raped, they will be ecstatic.

I agree with you. But one thing that nags at me is the story of the woman pilot in the Gulf War who was taken prisoner. The rumor was that she was repeatedly raped and tortured. I don't believe that we've heard the real story on this. It seems like the lefties have dropped the ball on this or maybe it never happened. I'm puzzled.

88 posted on 04/18/2002 3:41:47 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Valpal1
I read my bible and I know which gender was given headship. With that comes greater responsibility (and moral culpability). You are the bigot who faults women for following where MEN HAVE LED!

You have an interesting take on this. I'm going to have to ask my wife what she thinks before I can respond.

89 posted on 04/18/2002 3:45:12 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: BikerNYC
Or even half of that word....
90 posted on 04/18/2002 3:45:26 PM PDT by knews_hound
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To: Harrison Bergeron
I've been following the series for more than two and a half years now.

It's essentially a college and post-graduate course in politics, psychology, and sociology all rolled into one, with a lot of history thrown in for good measure. It presumes that the reader can abstract from facts and connect the abstractions to form new concepts. It presumes a level of education or insight capable of recognizing historically observable and theoretically demonstrable phenomena, and the ability to extrapolate probable outcomes.

As for your snappy comeback, all I can say is that you write like a precocious thirteen year old with a new thesaurus. Being thrilled by a Vonnegut story and letting everyone know that you are an enthusiastic Vonnegut fan is not the same as being able to write with Vonnegut's vivid economy.

91 posted on 04/18/2002 4:25:01 PM PDT by Mortimer Snavely
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To: 1/1,000,000th%
Well do let me know what she says!
92 posted on 04/18/2002 9:49:29 PM PDT by Valpal1
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To: ex-snook
Well there are a lot more gays today

Seems like it does't it? But it's not true. The percentage of gays in the general population remains relatively constant.

93 posted on 04/18/2002 9:56:58 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: Harrison Bergeron
Good point. Well, dammit, we'll just have to do the right thing and take the reigns of leadership with which we've been charged...

LET THE BEATINGS BEGIN! BURQUAS FOR ALL OF YOU!

There. Satisfied?

You must be tired of hearing the word immature. Grow up and you'll hear it a lot less.

94 posted on 04/18/2002 10:10:06 PM PDT by Valpal1
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To: Mortimer Snavely, RLK
"It's essentially a college and post-graduate course..."

No, it's not. It's a vanity series published on the internet. No references, no qualitative data, no citations, not one single footnote or credit to an outside source. Just one man's rambling opinions written in a million words or more. And by bringing it here in bits and pieces with quaint theories like the scourge of the "Playboy Philosophy" made it fair game for criticism.

95 posted on 04/18/2002 10:51:23 PM PDT by Harrison Bergeron
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To: Harrison Bergeron
No references, no qualitative data, no citations, not one single footnote or credit to an outside source.

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From the series:

References

Myers, JK, Weissman MM, Tischler GL, Holzer CE III, Leaf PJ, Orvaschel H, Anthony JC, Boyd JH, Burke JD Jr, Kramer M, Stoltzman R: Six-month prevalence of psychiatric disorders in three communities 1980-1982. Arch Gen Psychiatry 1984;41:959-967.

Robins LN, Helzer JE, Weissman MM. Orvaschel H, Gruenberg E, Burke JD Jr, Regier DA: Lifetime prevalence of specific psychiatric disorders in three sites. Arch Gen Psychiatry 1984;41:949-958.

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One of many in the series. Many are included in the text in conversational style, but can be traced to the sources.

Basically, you have a problem. You are a gamma level, or at best beta minus mind trying to present yourself as an alpha through pretentious vocabulary and trivial criticism of form.

Secondly, you're a God damned liar.

About ten people on this thread have told you that in one way or another. Maybe you should listen for the first time in your life.

You are caught and revealed for what you are, and are vainly attempting to argue your way out of it. You aren't going to make it in this life among people of stature or substance, sonny boy. As one of the other posters here said, if you are tired of hearing it, gtow up. In your case, however, the the advice is somewhat useless because you have an intrinsic mental limitation that is incurable. I suspect it is useless to suggest you stop inflicting that limitation on other people.

Have a nice day.

96 posted on 04/18/2002 11:19:30 PM PDT by RLK
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To: Harrison Bergeron
I might also add, I don't do vanity work. In my life I have made many tens of thousands of dollars for writing and analysis. I've been paid $1,500 for several-page articles in work that has been jusged tops by international polls commissioned by publishers who want to check on what they are getting for their money. My work in put on multi[ple sites and has established record numbers of hits.

Who are you, again, blowhard yokel? I don't believe I caught your name or background.

97 posted on 04/18/2002 11:35:42 PM PDT by RLK
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To: RLK
You make my point for me, answering criticism - however on or off the mark - with silly name calling.

The referenced work on man/woman relationships comes off not simply as if the writer has never been married, but as if he never even had a date. What tripe.

98 posted on 04/19/2002 9:57:16 AM PDT by Harrison Bergeron
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To: Harrison Bergeron
The referenced work on man/woman relationships ...

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Before, you told me there were no references.

Typical gamma minus mentality and emotionality.

99 posted on 04/19/2002 10:27:15 AM PDT by RLK
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