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Gun-rights groups oppose police exemption
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Friday, April 19, 2002 | By Jon Dougherty

Posted on 04/18/2002 11:19:04 PM PDT by JohnHuang2

A number of gun rights organizations are opposed to federal legislation that would allow police officers the right to carry concealed weapons from state to state because they believe such a right should extend to everyone.

Angel Shamaya, founder and executive director of KeepAndBearArms.com, a gun rights website, says he respects police officers and understands the dangerous nature of their work often follows them outside their own jurisdictions.

But danger also lurks for civilians no matter where they go, he argues. And furthermore, the legislation is giving preferential treatment to officers over the safety concerns of other constituents.

Specifically, Shamaya and other groups oppose H.R. 218, known as the "Community Protection Act of 2001," which would "exempt qualified current and former law enforcement officers from state laws prohibiting the carrying of concealed handguns."

The bill is heavily supported by the National Rifle Association and the Law Enforcement Alliance of America, the latter of which helped craft the legislation and has set up a special website to promote its passage, called CopConcealedCarry.com.

"Considering the many hours of training that sworn law enforcement officers receive and the experience they accumulate on the streets, it's inconceivable that Congress didn't pass H.R. 218 years ago when it was first introduced," said Jim Fotis, LEAA's executive director. "What plausible argument can anyone give for not allowing these law enforcers the right to carry their firearms outside their jurisdictions when off-duty?

"Just imagine the deterrent to crime if more than 1 million trained and equipped law enforcement professionals – active and retired – were allowed to be armed so they could utilize their skills," he said.

But Shamaya sees a dangerous precedent and double standard in approving the law.

"Once law enforcement officers are exempted from unconstitutional concealed carry laws, there will be little reason for the vast majority of them to support national concealed carry decriminalization for the people they were hired to serve," he said, adding that such a law would add to the growing public perception that police officers "are better than citizens."

He also believes resentment of police officers among civilians – especially those whose states disallow concealed carry – would also rise if the LEAA-sponsored bill passes.

If the bill becomes law, "police officers from 2,000 miles away can come and eat at the same restaurant where you've been eating for years, and they can pack heat," he said. "Not only that, but they might even bust you if the gun on your hip underneath your jacket – for defense against neighborhood thugs who concern you more than your local, unconstitutional laws do – catches their attention."

Shamaya, who has conducted an extensive study of the issue, said the bill gives police officers exemptions for laws they have to enforce on others.

The debate may be a moot point. A spokesman for the Judiciary Committee's subcommittee on crime, terrorism and homeland – where H.R. 218 currently is languishing – told WND no action was planned for the measure, mostly because the subcommittee was working on "more important issues" stemming from the Sept. 11 attacks.

Still, even many traditional supporters of laws that strengthen gun rights are not behind H.R. 218.

"H.R. 218 is discriminatory and creates a separate class of citizen," said Geoff Metcalf, host of WND's talk radio program and a weekly columnist. "If cops are permitted to carry concealed anywhere, any CCW [concealed carry of weapons license] holder should be permitted to carry anywhere."

"We'll support [this bill for police] when they support me being able to do the same thing," Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, said, noting that many national and local-level police organizations oppose concealed carry efforts.

"We think it's a very bad idea to say that some Americans are entitled to special privileges," he said. "Our forefathers fled countries that did things like that. Those people were called the 'nobility.'"


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Friday, April 19, 2002

Quote of the Day by kattracks 4/19/02

1 posted on 04/18/2002 11:19:04 PM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Hi John. It's good to know some folks are making a difference, not the least of which has been through your tireless efforts. Thanks, whoever you are.
2 posted on 04/18/2002 11:27:05 PM PDT by Concentrate
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To: JohnHuang2
Idiots like Shamaya [who is he anyway] with their all or nothing attitude, really hurt those that truely believe in the 2nd amed. Was he ever heard of "nose of the camel"? When off duty cops are able to start stopping crimes cause they are armed, it will move us closer to nationwide right to carry for all of us.
3 posted on 04/18/2002 11:31:04 PM PDT by bybybill
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To: bybybill
When off duty cops are able to start stopping crimes cause they are armed, it will move us closer to nationwide right to carry for all of us.

Or they'll say that because all those off-duty cops are carrying, "we" don't have a need to. Remember, they're looking for an excuse to thwart us.

If off-duty cops should carry because they're cops, then they should be on-call 24/7 because they're armed.

No special privileges.

If I thought that the cops would turn around and help us once they "got theirs," then I might support this.

4 posted on 04/18/2002 11:40:28 PM PDT by PLMerite
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To: bybybill
Wrong about the nose of the camel bit. It is all about power too. This Federal bill would come at the expense of the common citizen. Police in my state (California) can already still purchase high capacity magazines that the normal citizen cannot. Also, there was a rumor of a push to allow late registry of assualt weapons by law enforcement people that wasn't available to everyone else. The gun issue is all about power. I want the power to control my world. I want to be able to rely on me, not hope a vacationing policeman with his kids in tow has my back.
5 posted on 04/18/2002 11:52:42 PM PDT by GeorgeWBiscuit
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To: bybybill
Idiots like Shamaya [who is he anyway] with their all or nothing attitude, really hurt those that truely believe in the 2nd amed.

Really? Ever heard of "divide and conquer"? Do you REALLY think all the retired cops in this country who are now for ALL of us being able to do this will still work to see that the rest of us are given our RIGHTS,once THEY have this right? If you do,Shamaya ain't the idiot.

Was he ever heard of "nose of the camel"? When off duty cops are able to start stopping crimes cause they are armed, it will move us closer to nationwide right to carry for all of us.

No,it won't. It will weaken our case.

6 posted on 04/18/2002 11:52:53 PM PDT by sneakypete
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To: PLMerite
As is it stinks of police state elitism. But suppose the bill also extended the exemption to include any citizen who has passed suitable training. And honorably discharged veterans, and current members of the armed forces.
7 posted on 04/18/2002 11:54:42 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Big IF. I'd have to know what the "suitable training" was, and if they consider what some of the current military members have is also "suitable."
8 posted on 04/18/2002 11:58:37 PM PDT by PLMerite
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To: JohnHuang2
Nearly every anti-gun law passed in California contains an exemption for law enforcement. I have a problem with that. The 14th amendment requires that laws apply to all persons equally. It is unconstitutional to give preference to one group of citizens (law enforcement) vs all others. It is in a sense a "bill of attainder" that legislatively punishes all persons who at NOT members of the named group by imposing punitive restrictions to firearm ownership and use. The Constitution explicitly forbids any "bill of attainder".
9 posted on 04/19/2002 12:01:48 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: PLMerite
The NRA is for the bill---good enough for me
10 posted on 04/19/2002 12:32:32 AM PDT by bybybill
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To: bybybill
Your attitude of taking whatever 'they' give is the real problem.

Don't support bad legislation just because it seems to be better than what you have now. If this is passed it will NOT be a stepping stone to national reciprocity, it will be a stone wall to it.

11 posted on 04/19/2002 12:39:40 AM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: bybybill; Squantos; Joe Brower; Travis McGee; .45Auto; .38s&w; bang_list
"The NRA is for the bill---good enough for me."

While I am a member of the NRA and appreciate their efforts to get people involved in the fight, I am less than impressed with the legislation and some of the candidates that they have backed.

12 posted on 04/19/2002 12:56:15 AM PDT by Badray
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To: JohnHuang2
Law enforcement officers get paid to excercise the second amendment while civilians, especially in states like CA have to pay and ask for permission from an unsympathetic government to excercise what is supposed to be an unrestricted freedom. In most cases civilians are held to a far higher standard of self defense then law enforcement officers. Civilians, in most cases have to use their bare hands to fight off an attacker with a gun or a knife whereas a cop can theoretically use a weapon with an unlimited cyclic rate of fire and ammo capacity. I think we need to even the playing field a bit before we start giving cops more freedom.
13 posted on 04/19/2002 1:20:27 AM PDT by Ajnin
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To: bybybill
The NRA is for the bill---good enough for me.

I wonder where GOA and JPFO stand on the matter?

14 posted on 04/19/2002 1:44:45 AM PDT by PLMerite
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To: Badray
Agree.......my angst is brought on by their seemingly increasing blind eye to incrementalism and elitism. But then I throw good money at em , and GOA, SAS, Liberty Belles, Texas State Rifle Association and anyone else that will beat the polidiots and presstitutes at their own game while we stand on the ammo box ready should the soap, ballot and jury box fail to save our Constitution........

Stay Safe !

15 posted on 04/19/2002 1:50:10 AM PDT by Squantos
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To: Squantos
Thanks for your comments.

I tend to believe that the NRA is more and more like the Feds. They do not want to solve the problem and have it go away, they just want to manage the problem and keep it as an issue that keeps us sending them money.

16 posted on 04/19/2002 2:40:43 AM PDT by Badray
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To: JohnHuang2
I agree with Shamaya.

We don't need any more 'laws', to begin with. The Second Ammendment clearly states, "...shall not be infringed."

Off duty police officers should carry their personal concealed weapon just like any other citizen. Crossing state lines should not be a problem, either according to the Constitution.

BTW, IMO, these legislators like to write laws simply to see their own names in print, legacy builders.
Also, every policeman I have known (not too many), carried a concealed weapon off duty, bogus laws go hang.

17 posted on 04/19/2002 3:11:16 AM PDT by CWRWinger
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To: JohnHuang2
You're a 2nd class citizen, get used to it.
18 posted on 04/19/2002 3:46:53 AM PDT by Maelstrom
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To: bybybill;PLMerite
"Or they'll say that because all those off-duty cops are carrying, "we" don't have a need to. Remember, they're looking for an excuse to thwart us."

PLMerite is right, and you are wrong. Any citizen who has a state concealed-carry license should be allowed to carry concealed in any other state--just as any holder of a driver's license can drive in any other state.

19 posted on 04/19/2002 3:58:06 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
Any citizen who has a state concealed-carry license should be allowed to carry concealed in any other state--just as any holder of a driver's license can drive in any other state.

Perhaps stated this way the average citizen can understand national right-to-carry with a state CCW license. Thanks for the example.

20 posted on 04/19/2002 4:16:02 AM PDT by toddst
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