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The Neo-Con Assault on the Constitution
Lewrockwell.com ^ | April 25, 2002 | Thomas J. DiLorenzo

Posted on 04/25/2002 9:41:56 AM PDT by Korth

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To: Hugin
Which woud have resulted in no USA. So they wish there was no USA, or they refuse to acknolwedge what the consequenses of what they wish for would be.

There would have still been a U.S.A., but it would have been of smaller land area, encompassing the northern States but not the South. And I have never heard anyone deny that such would have been the consequences.

81 posted on 04/25/2002 1:52:55 PM PDT by Korth
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To: Korth
Although it is true that originally a neo-conservative was a person on the left who switched to the conservative side on certain issues, the term now refers to anyone who shares such views whether or not they were ever on the left earlier in their life.

Wrong.

A neo-con is a former liberal espousing political conservatism. The definition hasn't changed for the last fifty years.

82 posted on 04/25/2002 1:52:59 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Hugin
Of couse the fact that the South started the war belies the argument.

The north started the war by trying to force the southern States to remain under federal control.

83 posted on 04/25/2002 1:55:22 PM PDT by Korth
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To: tpaine

The Squalid 14th Amendment
Ratified by trickery during the federal military dictatorship over the South, this treacherous appendage to the Constitution is an attack on liberty and its American political foundation, states rights.


Roger Pilon and the 14th Amendment
Gene Healy, the libertarian legal scholar who's brought sanity to discussions of an evil amendment, continues his work.

Contra Centralism
Libertarian states rights scholar Gene Healy takes on Clinton Bolick, Roger Pilon, and John McClaughry, advocates of liberty through federal power.



84 posted on 04/25/2002 1:56:08 PM PDT by VinnyTex
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
The south seceded, and was told by Chief Justice Lincoln that it was illegal....

The Supreme Court held in the Prize Cases that the "so-called Confederate states" (to use their phrase) were in rebellion and that the president was authorized/required to put down the rebellion.

Walt

85 posted on 04/25/2002 1:57:55 PM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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To: WhiskeyPapa
President Lincoln used the power given the president in the Constitution to preserve the government established by the framers.

He preserved the reach and range of authority of the government. The government itself wasn't under attack. It was a secession, not a revolution or an insurrection.

86 posted on 04/25/2002 1:58:14 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: NittanyLion
Most folks would have a problem with states legalizing what they consider to be murder.
87 posted on 04/25/2002 1:58:22 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Hugin
And without a USA we would probably be living under Nazism or Communism today.

Wrong. Without a single centralized polity, Germany would certainly have won... WWI. No German defeat, no Hitler. No Hitler, no Nazism. No Nazism, no WWII (not to mention, no Holocaust). No WWII, no Cold War. And if Communism had survived and remained a threat, it would have been mainly a threat to Germany.

88 posted on 04/25/2002 1:58:28 PM PDT by A.J.Armitage
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To: Torie
Murder is not a Federal concern. It has always been a State concern. If Keyes thinks Euthenasia is murder, he may do so; but that would not give him any say in Oregon.

The most difficult thing for most people to fully grasp is that there are legitimate limitations on power. You cannot change the rules, simply because you do not like the way other people are exercising freedoms that they have the right to exercise.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

89 posted on 04/25/2002 1:59:48 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Reagan Man
Reagan Man, this is about Neo Cons vs the Old Right!

Neo Cons are former leftist who moved right during the cold war. They've highjacked the conservative movement. The Old Right which was isolationist(just like the founding fathers) in its foreign policy, free trading and wanted to destroy FDRs New Deal.

Neo Cons say the welfare state is here, get used to it. They're also very interventionists on foreign policy. In other words, they want us to bomb the rest of the world back to the stone age. Israel's enemies are our enemies. etc etc.

90 posted on 04/25/2002 2:00:52 PM PDT by VinnyTex
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Hello Whiskey Papa, so where's the argument? The Confederacy became a separate and sovereign nation, following the dictates of the Constitution for which Southern ancestors fought to bring into existence. BTW, I prefer Caton.
91 posted on 04/25/2002 2:01:44 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: billbears
Once Hamilton's financial system went into effect the nation's economic growth accelerated enormously. Funding the national debt created a vast new pool of capital which allowed increased investment. By creating national credit the credit of all americans was improved.

Doubtless you have not studied the economic and financial situation Washington's administrations operated within but you will find that the credit of the U.S.A. immediately became the best in the world. Because Hamilton insisted that the debts be paid off (not defaulted like a 3d world country as Jefferson wished to do) it made them a source of capital and created the ability to borrow when necessary.

This, in turn, allowed the Union to borrow enormous amounts from creditors with the faith they would get their funds back and the interest. This allowed Lincoln to raise the huge resources to defeat the Slaveocrats who were left to the economic idiocy of printing paper money backed by nothing.

As far as market reactions to statements by the Fed - it reacts wildly to many types of statements unrelated to political figures. And it will ignore the fed when it wants as well. Witness the attempts by Greenspan years ago to caution against the internet stocks rocketing value. At least two years went by before the market paid the slightest attention.

Modern economies cannot function effectively without a banking system. National banks are part of that system and are necessary. It is just foolishness which believes that a metallic standard can assist economic growth. Hamilton understood this since he saw first hand the results of not having sufficient capital in the form of gold. The monetary aspect of debt funding was genius in the highest degree and showed the financial incompetence of Madison and Jefferson neither of which interfered with Hamilton's program after they took power. Monroe realized that the expiration of the charter of the 1st National bank was a great mistake and allowed it to be rechartered for the good of the nation.

Jackson's demogogery and hatred of the 2d bank prevented its re-charter and the country went into its greatest economic collapse prior to the Great Depression.

Mythology is fun but not productive as a guide to policy.

This nation is not falling apart at the seams by any measure except those used by the Black Caucus and Jesse Jackson. I know the lives of myself, family, friends and acquaintences is far better financially than they have been for decades. Now, morality and religion is a different story not related to governmental programs or practices. Hamilton warned repeatedly of the ennervating effects of prosperity and worried that the growing wealth of the nation would weaken its people and make them immoral.

92 posted on 04/25/2002 2:02:23 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: Torie
Most folks would have a problem with states legalizing what they consider to be murder.

If the people of (say) Alaska decide that assisted suicide should be legal, why should someone in (say) Pennsylvania tell them otherwise?

93 posted on 04/25/2002 2:02:25 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: WhiskeyPapa
WhiskeyPapa, which record is that?
94 posted on 04/25/2002 2:04:58 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: VinnyTex
Your point? -- I remember making a lot of unrefuted posts to the 'squalid' thread. - And probably made some to the others as well.
95 posted on 04/25/2002 2:07:25 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tacticalogic
Hamilton often warned that the mere creation of the constitution would not substitute for caution against designing men, men of little understanding and integrity. This is why he regularly warned that the spirit of the laws was very important and used the biblical injunction that the letter of the law killeth while the spirit of the law exalts.
96 posted on 04/25/2002 2:08:05 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: NittanyLion
Suppose Alaska enacted a law that provided that all folks over 70 would be killed? Is that any concern for Pennsylvanians?
97 posted on 04/25/2002 2:09:23 PM PDT by Torie
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To: A.J.Armitage
Germany was hardly "winning" wwI when the USA entered it. This best it could have hoped for would have been a negoitiated peace the worst years more of stalemate trench warfare. OUr entry merely hastened its defeat and made it certain.
98 posted on 04/25/2002 2:12:22 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: rightwing2
Furthermore, Joel Miller is an idiot who regularly campaigns for immorality in the forms of legalized drugs, porn, prostitution, gambling in the traditional Libertarian fashion.

Joel Miller is opposed to immorality, including the immorality of state coercion.

On the other hand, Alan Keyes is a conservative hero. How can you disagree with him? Perhaps because he has been critical of your hero, neoconservative President George W. Bush, the Neville Chamberlain of the Republican Party...

Keyes' errors, although they are less, lie in the same direction as Bush's.

99 posted on 04/25/2002 2:14:02 PM PDT by A.J.Armitage
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To: tpaine
My point? The 14th amendment has been used to centralize power in a way the founding fathers never envisioned. It's destroyed the original constitution.
100 posted on 04/25/2002 2:14:34 PM PDT by VinnyTex
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