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Naples Anti-War Teacher Ian Harvey Under State Investigation
Naples Daily News ^ | 05-03-02 | my favorite headache

Posted on 05/03/2002 12:44:34 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache

State education officials to investigate Ian Harvey

Friday, May 3, 2002

By RAY PARKER, brparker@naplesnews.com

Florida Department of Education officials will investigate former Lely High School teacher Ian Harvey this month, Collier County School Board attorney John Clapper said Thursday.

Two months ago, school officials disciplined Harvey for violating teaching standards, ethics codes and district policies. He was given a three-day suspension without pay and transferred to an Immokalee school.

Ian Harvey

He will remain at Bethune Education Center, which offers various adult classes, while his case is reviewed by the state's professional practices office, which could recommend revoking Harvey's teaching certificate or find no wrongdoing.

While there's no typical period of time for reviewing a case such as Harvey's, School Board members said they'll ask state officials to speed up the Harvey investigation.

Seven war veterans, Collier residents and Harvey supporters raged about what the School Board should do about the teacher during Thursday's meeting.

"Mr. Harvey is out there in Immokalee teaching new people how to speak English," Dan Szalay said. "There's a problem."

Others spoke just as vehemently.

Cynthia Harvey defends her husband, Ian Harvey, at Thursday's Collier County School Board meeting. Dan Wagner/Staff

"Patriotism to me is about the right to dissent" and to participate in peaceful protests, said Ian Harvey's wife, Cynthia, who teaches at Naples High and Pine Ridge Middle schools. "Ian has support all over the world."

Clapper informed the group that Ian Harvey has rights as a tenured teacher.

"Public employment differs from employment in the private sector," he said. "Were (Harvey) in the private sector, he would have been fired at 5 o'clock."

War veteran Richard Somerby rallied several of his friends for the meeting.

"This teacher has certainly been a lightning rod," he said. "Further action should be taken."

Somerby asked several questions including: Was Harvey's supervisor punished? Have other teachers been investigated? Should Harvey be teaching English to non-citizens?

While no one addressed his questions, board member Abbott kept the dialogue going by asking Clapper about the investigation process.

Abbott asked if the School Board could fire Harvey.

Clapper replied it depended on the circumstances.

"In my opinion, that was not justified in this case," Clapper said.

Richard Somerby of Naples holds a code of ethics booklet from the Florida Education Standards Commission as he urges the School Board to be more decisive in the Ian Harvey case. Dan Wagner/Staff

In his Feb. 27 letter of reprimand, Schools Superintendent Dan White wrote: "In sum, your conduct has not been one benefiting a professional educator thus warranting discipline. Should the referenced conduct and behavior continue, further disciplinary action to and including termination shall be recommended."

Lely High teacher John Dwyer blasted what he saw as a smear campaign against Harvey in the press.

"I personally wouldn't have punished Ian Harvey," he said. "I don't think he did anything wrong."

Gil Erlichman, a veteran, blasted the teachers union contract's protection of educators.

"We're held prisoner by the (National Education Association)," he said.

Rebecca Rife, Collier County Education Association president, said the collective bargaining agreement with the district is in alignment with state and federal laws.

"The purpose is so people are treated justly" and given due process, Rife said.

Member Don York, who was not born in the United States, said he chose to become an American and takes that decision seriously. Harvey is a British citizen.

"Be patient and let (the state investigators) take their course," York advised the audience. "Even (Charles) Manson got a fair trial."


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: antiamerica; communist; florida; ianharvey; lefties; michaelmoore; morons; naples; nea; teacher; waronterror
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1 posted on 05/03/2002 12:44:34 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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To: My Favorite Headache
Ian Harvey History
2 posted on 05/03/2002 12:45:59 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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To: miamifreepress;larrylied;summer
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3 posted on 05/03/2002 12:46:29 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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To: wallace212;seeking the truth
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4 posted on 05/03/2002 12:46:59 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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Brainwashing Anti-American Message Teacher Suspended In Naples,Fla
5 posted on 05/03/2002 12:49:48 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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To: My Favorite Headache
The saga continues...
6 posted on 05/03/2002 12:51:19 PM PDT by summer
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To: My Favorite Headache;davidosborne
When I was in Jr. High, we were required to take a course for an entire year called "Americanism v. Communism". We had to study all the Chinese Dynasties through Red China, all the Russian revolts, etc. And, then there was the IRON CURTAIN too.

But, that was AFTER we learned about Americanism. I think it's time to revive the term Americanism. It's a positive and proud way to describe our system of government and our diverse culture.

7 posted on 05/03/2002 1:02:52 PM PDT by floriduh voter
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To: My Favorite Headache
This is one of the worst news articles I've ever read.

So what'd this guy Harvey do? The article never said. I can look it up in the links, but a newspaper reader would be left completly in the dark as to what this is all about.

8 posted on 05/03/2002 1:03:21 PM PDT by narby
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hit post 2 link
9 posted on 05/03/2002 1:08:41 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker
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To: narby
Narby...obviously you are not familiar with the illustrious work of our fellow FREEPER MiamiFreePress. Go to his website and look for the links with Ian Harvey's name.

You won't need to read. You will be able to hear Mr. Harvey's "hate America" diatribe for yourself.

10 posted on 05/03/2002 1:09:18 PM PDT by mattdono
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To: My Favorite Headache

Well...at least we know that Mr. Harvey (left) and Mrs. Harvey (right) have the same hair stylist.

Also, isn't this a bit "butch"? (Seems to me that this is a popular "do" in the gay and lesbian community). Maybe Mr. Harvey is hiding something more than is anti-America, anti-capitalist tendencies.

11 posted on 05/03/2002 1:13:36 PM PDT by mattdono
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To: My Favorite Headache
"In sum, your conduct has not been one benefiting a professional educator [missing comma] thus warranting discipline. Should the referenced conduct and behavior continue, further disciplinary action [missing 'up'] to and including termination shall be recommended."

'Benefiting' = 'benefitting', but it doesn't matter because the word ought to be 'befitting'.

'Conduct and behavior' is redundant.

'Shall' ought to be 'will'; shall only goes with the first person singular.

You gotta wonder who's teaching them English.

12 posted on 05/03/2002 1:22:35 PM PDT by Grut
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To: Grut
You have no idea...half of the staff is intern's who can barely understand the constitution.
13 posted on 05/03/2002 1:31:15 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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To: My Favorite Headache
Wonderful. Working people have to support someone who advocates making them slaves.
14 posted on 05/03/2002 2:17:18 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: floriduh voter
""Americanism v. Communism". "

I took that class in high school. It should be required for all U.S. middle/high school students.

15 posted on 05/03/2002 3:19:57 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: narby
The press does'nt want to "accuse" anyone of being an active, student recruiting, bona-fide communist, its not PC. That is why the article is so vague.
16 posted on 05/03/2002 3:22:36 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: miamifreepress
Can't wait to see you throw this in Harvey's face the next time you two meet!
17 posted on 05/03/2002 3:23:38 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase
Why don't you email the President? Nowadays, it'd have to be Americanism v. Communism and v. Terrorism. I am involved in two campaigns right now, otherwise I'd do it. And the Secretary of Education Mr. Paige. and BTTT. www.whitehouse.gov
18 posted on 05/03/2002 5:09:32 PM PDT by floriduh voter
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To: narby
Dear Narby: I read the post several times and also wondered "What did the guy do". I'm still wondering. Thanks for your post - I was beginning to think there was something wrong with me.
19 posted on 05/03/2002 7:07:05 PM PDT by maxwellp
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To: mattdono; Orual; aculeus
Bump for a, uh, lovely couple.
20 posted on 05/03/2002 7:11:56 PM PDT by dighton
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