Posted on 05/03/2002 4:23:57 PM PDT by RCW2001
Edited on 04/04/2004 3:52:59 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
A federal judge on Friday rejected an effort by commercial anglers, tribes and environmental groups seeking to force the government to release more water to the Klamath River instead of diverting it to farms.
Commercial fishermen sued the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation and the National Marine Fisheries Service last month, arguing that water being stored for farmers should be released to help young salmon migrate to the ocean.
Lyin' sack of feces....unless that's lib-speak for shut the water off completely!!!!!!
And what about the farmers loosing their farms...and the dam paid by the sweat of farmers sicnce the area was founded... .enquiring minds want to know....
Why is it so sad? All your nice friends are taking care of them.
;-)
There will be no excessively warm water to kill the smolt this year.
Now we have TWO sets of crybabies going after the federally-subsidized water.
There is no reason whatsoever not to support the farmers, I have articles upon articles where the US Fish and WildLife took clubs and beat salmon in the head to kill them!
These landowners were given the lands as long as they meet certain demands and that they have done and paid for time and time again!
I must be asleep. When I read this, U.S. District Judge Saundra Armstrong said Friday there is not enough scientific evidence to prove the salmon need more water at this time.
I know that I must be dreaming or having a conservative fantasy!
What is this world coming to, a judge saying there was not enough scientific evidence to back up the Rural Cleansing arguments of the enviral nazis and their pawns in court.
Baby Coho's do not do well with high and cold water forcing them downstream. They like to take their time getting down stream and make take up to a year and half to get to the ocean. This so called need for more water is all more of an Enviral Nazi lie. This specie does not want a lot of high/fast/cold water as it meanders down stream after being hatched.
To begin with there were never any native Coho in the Klamath System. They came from Oregon hatchery Cohos in the early 1900's. If we run short, we can borrow a couple of million from Oregon where they have so many the past two years, they have to kill them with baseball bats.
Besides that, another judge has ruled on scientific DNA results not enviral Bravo Sierra, there is no genetic difference between a native Coho and the hatchery Coho!
Since the Spotted Owl fiasco, the enviral nazis and their Gestapo rangers have been lying to enact their rural cleansing actions. Time to start cleansing America of the Bravo Sierra put out by the enviral Nazis!
Should make it easy for the "fishermen" to catch them, right?
Klamath Farmers BTTT
I've got the solution.......let the fishermen go up and do the clubbing!
Being part Indian myself, I find this claim to be an outrage. Why would I want to eat a foul tasting/bony slimey sucker when I could eat the wonderful trout in the Klamath Lake or the two rivers that feed it. Then, I could come down stream a little along the Klamath and catch/spear the King of Salmon, King Salmon or the wonderful tasting steelhead. To get me to eat a sucker fish, you would have drug, beat me and maybe shot me. To get me to eat good salmon/trout just call me over for dinner.
When there are Salmon or steelhead, these tribal people should be allowed catch and kill what they want up and down these streams and rivers. However, please don't play a game about re the Sucker Fish.
Actually we need to start Bitch Slapping all of the enviral nazis and their federal/state liars with Rico Suits. After a few of them get Bitch Slapped with Rico suits, lose some big time court cases, this Bravo Sierra will stop.
Mr Carry Okie, the orginator of using Rico Suits to Bitch Slap these enviral whackos will hopefully add to this reply of mine. He will explain the cure of this madness and how to use Rico suits for Bitch Slapping these Enviral Nazis. Rico Suits really caught the recent attention of the Catholic church in another issue.
Shame on you AuntB, you noisy old woman interferring with the head Nazi Andy Kerr and his little enviral goose steppers. They were just rurally cleansing the farmers/ranchers for the chilrun of the sucker fish! Now those innocent chilrun of the sucker fish will suffer.
Great Job AuntB! This should make your weekend!
Although we are not fish...we are land owners and at least us serfs have a voice and we are using it to the max!
This is pure BS and I suspect the plaintiffs came up with this jive to sway the court. Every year fish are stranded by high water flows we call spring "freshets" and become easy prey for...gulp..."endangered birds and mammals". From 72 till 92 we owned a fishing lodge for our private use on the Klamath at Weitchpec upriver fron the confluence of the Trinity.
Now here is a rub for you. On the Trinity these socialist have won a huge increase in the release of water from Trinity lake. So much water that there are warnings posted this weekend to all river users for exceedingly high and swift flows . How many fish will stranded by this man made flood???
All of this is in todays Times-Standard.com
I wonder how many of these "rescued" salmon are ending up on the grill?
by John Diehm Siskiyou Daily News Staff Writer
HAPPY CAMP - Something is fishy about the "scientific study" concerning stranded baby salmon on the Klamath River, claims Independence Creek resident Connie Rasmussen.
On thursday (5-2-02), the L.A. Times published a story called "A race to save baby salmon in Klamath - biologists rescue hundreds of fish stranded by low water levels as river's flow is channeled to farm fields."
The lead paragraph of the article written by Times staff writer Deborah Schoch states," As more Klamath River water is diverted to farms upstream, water levels drop and California state biologists have begun rescuing baby salmon stranded in puddles along river banks."
Federal water officials today told the Siskiyou Daily News the irrigation project near Klamath Falls and Tulelake has not caused river levels to drop enough to kill salmon. "The diversions to farmers has nothing to do with what is happening downstream." said Bureau of Reclamation spokesman Jeff McCracken.
Rasmussen, who lives 14 miles downriver of Happy Camp at Independence Creek, said she had an encounter with the biologists who provided the information for what she calls a misleading L.A.Times story. She has grave doubts about their methods and conclusions.
Rasmussen said earlier in the week she noticed a group of people trespassing on her property, and making their way down to the Klamath River where there are some high water pools annually left by winter runoff from tributaries. She confronted the party and was told that they were biologists from the U.S. Forest Service and Yurok Tribe.
"They told me they were going to save some of the stranded fish in the pools," Rasmussen said. I thought that was all right because the fish were going to die anyway when the pools dry up or they get eaten by the birds."
Rasmussen said she watched what they did and saving the fish was not their priority. "They gave the fish an electric shock that killed many of them, counted the fish that floated to the top, and left."
When the article came out in the L.A. Times, Rasmussen said she knew it was not right. "They made an assumption that more water in the river would link these pools to the river. That is simply not what happens here. These pools are left every year by winter runoff and have nothing to do with the water level in the river. It's not a portion of the main river," she said, "it goes dry every spring. It dried up even earlier last year."
She said that the heavy rain this winter probably raised the level of the water enough for small fish to get to the site. "I've never seen fish in there before. It's a long way from the river."
Rasmussen said the Klamath River is running higher right now than it has for years and more water would not link these pools with the river. "The water is not low, it is high. I walk the river every day."
Dan Keppen, director of the Klamath Water Users Group, said the assumption of the biologists that diversion of irrigation water is the cause of the stranded fish along the river is simply not accurate. Some fish are stranded each year as a natural part of the river. He also finds it strange that this report came out just a day before a judge was scheduled to make a decision on river flows.
There is a little more to this article, but the Siskiyou Daily News does not have this article posted on it's site yet. So this ol' forester had to type the darn thing in by hand. I felt that you folks deserved to hear "the rest of the story".
As documented in my previous post, Ed's news flash is corrected: Standed fish examined by same dishonest biologists as those who studied the Lynx.
Trinity River will be blown out in the flyfishing only section, dam to Old Lewiston Bridge, from 30 April to 28 May due to the recent court decision to return Trinity flows to more "natural" flows for this time of year.
There is nothing normal about these flows. This is one of those sections where the fish are protected and like to just take their time to eat bugs, grow and slowly go downstream. They will be ripped downstream for 4 weeks.
Wonder if some of these ripped out fish due to high/fast and cold water are what the liars who represent the enviralist are talking about. More than likely any young stranded fish down stream is stranded due to high water and the fish using too much energy to keep from drowning. Yes fish will drown if they become too weak.
Of course know the lynx hair planters, they probably froze fish from last years run and took the frozen body's out and threw them in the river.
I made a reply that earlier on this thread, that this B$tch lawyer was lying as her group does all of the time.
It is time to start using the Rico laws on these lying envirals, their lawyers and those who plant dead fish and lynx hairs. Drag them into court under the Rico Laws. Take the law license away from this lying B$tch lawyer and fine these phoney fishermen that other fishermen detest! (Rant off now)
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