Posted on 05/06/2002 2:07:40 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
Up till 1948 the term "Palestinian" referred to Jews living in British Mandatory Palestine. The Arabs just called themselves Arab until the mid 60's when the PLO adopted the term to inculcate an ideology of nationalism.
During WWII the Jews in Palestine supported the British and many joined the British Armed Forces whilst the Arabs supported the Nazis believing that if the Nazis won the war that would be the end of the Jews in Palestine.
Probably possessed. By some moon-demon with a name starting with an A, or the tortured soul of the demon's minion with a name starting with a M. It seems a common affliction with a certain segment of freepers thses days. Maybe we should try a mass exorcism :).
For those wondering, consult a scholar. Get your facts straight before getting into the utter lies ;).
OK, had to search around to find it but you are exactly right (as I suspected you would be). History of the unit is here: 13.Waffen-Gebirgs-Division der SS "Handschar" (kroat.Nr.1)
The same place it says that it absolutely wasn't, I guess :). The thing is that it sounds like you have some knowledge that this muslim effort had nothing to do with the Jews. In fact, it would seem it had everything to do with Jews.
Oh, but they *are* producing new movies -- in Ramallywood! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/678630/posts
[T]he Israeli government supports museums that honor assassins and terrorists—including one located on a street named for a terrorist.
The thoroughfare in question runs between Florentine and Emeq-Yisrael, and bears the name Stern Street—in honor of Avraham Stern, a 1920s Zionist and charter member of the Haganah, then a loose-knit Jewish militia organized as a self-defense mechanism against Arab violence. Finding the Haganah insufficiently proactive in realizing the goal of a Jewish state that would encompass "both sides of the River Jordan," erstwhile Mussolini follower and early-day ultra-nationalist Ze'ev Jabotinsky broke with the militia and formed the Irgun, which devoted itself to terrorist operations against the British. Once an enthusiastic Irgunist, Stern was appalled when the Irgun decided to make common cause with the British against the Nazis, and created the even more underground and more violent Lehi (Lohamei Herut Yisrael, or Fighters for the Freedom of Israel), also known as the Stern Gang, which held there was no greater threat to the Jews of Palestine than the mandate's British administrators.
To this end, Stern actually made overtures to the Axis powers; September 1940 found him in dialogue with an emissary from Il Duce in Jerusalem, and in January 1941 he dispatched an agent to Vichy-controlled Beirut with instructions to convey a letter to representatives of the Reich. In it, Stern held that the "establishment of the historical Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, and bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German position of power in the Near East. Proceeding from these considerations, [the Lehi] in Palestine, under the condition [that] the above-mentioned national aspirations of the Israeli freedom movement are recognized on the side of the German Reich, offers to actively take part in the war on Germany's side."
The Germans declined to take Stern up on the offer, but Stern held out hope as his organization continued to engage in terrorism against the British. After Stern died in a shoot-out with British police in 1942, his mantle was picked up by future Israeli prime minister Yitzhak Shamir. Still, the Israeli underground focused on the British as the greatest of all evils, and on November 6, 1944, Lord Moyne, the British minister for Middle East affairs, was assassinated in Cairo by Eliyahu Beit-Tzuri and Eliyahu Hakim—both members of the Lehi, who were later arrested, convicted, and hanged. After the state of Israel was established, the Lehi, displeased with what it considered the too pro-Arab views of the Swedish UN-appointed mediator for Palestine, assassinated him; on September 17, 1948, Count Folke Bernadotte—who, as a neutral diplomat in World War II, had saved thousands of Jews from Nazi death camps—was shot and killed by Lehi assassins, along with French colonel Andre Serot, the senior UN military observer, whose wife's life had been saved by Bernadotte.
The Bernadotte assassination was so outrageous that the nascent government of David Ben-Gurion had little problem disbanding the Lehi (though none of the assassins were ever brought to justice). Yet, despite this history of terror, the Israeli Ministry of Defense underwrites museums commemorating the Stern Gang and the Irgun—which, under Menachem Begin, bombed the British headquarters at the King David Hotel in 1946, leaving 90 dead and 45 wounded (with 15 Jews among the casualties). Like Lehi, it wasn't until 1948 that the Irgun was forced out of existence, after its arms-transport ship, the Altalena, was blown up by the provisional Israeli government—a point analysts like Ibish say bears remembering.
It does negate everything else the author says. Took me a whole two minutes on the net to find out the true history of the unit. There are a whole lot of revisionist Holocaust historians on Free Republic recently. They really need to stop reading their own propaganda.
btw...is this article a regular feature on FR now? I see it posted about every other day.
Peddling Nazi nostalgia as history is shameful !
For Nazis and their offspring it is nostalgia, for Nazi victims it is ONGOING HORROR.
Why do you have that impression? I learned about it on FR years ago and many freepers have linked to it. Of course not everything is there but I've found it credible history. Are there parts of it I haven't seen which are unsavory?
I have learned one thing: "Official" Holocaust sites are the worst place for real history. They don't twist facts that I know of but they often purge any history which is not politically correct.
I did a little checking myself. The book is being sold directly on Beograd.com, on "Srpska-mreza"/Serb-net, on "Books on Serbia" and most curiously of all, it's warmly endorsed on "The Emperor's New Clothes.Net, or tenc.net. In that last link,
The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Izetbegovic's boyhood idol
it's quite clear that while the "mission" of the unit might have been to "restore order" it did "everything but". That last is from a review by a retired American Army officer, from another link.
I didn't see one single link to a website with a moslem-sounding name. (Although it's true, I only spent about 10 minutes poking around.)
Whatever the intended purpose the Nazis may have had in raising and organizing this military unit, the record apparently speaks for itself. ...As does the fact that it was (thanks to Himmler) the very first "non-Aryan" SS unit incorporated into the 1,000 Year Reich's Order of Battle. One would suspect that stoutly anti-Jewish attitudes might have had something to do with that.
Indeed. One of them even cribs his vocabulary from the holocoust revisionist sites. You smell very bad, Mr. Lied. Or should I call you edward gibbon? You never gave me an answer to that, you know ;).
Are you really this dense, or are you on the same agenda as Mr. Lied (don't even bother answering that).
The Mufti's overriding purpose in cooperating with your friend Adolph, including troops, was his wish for the "final solution". To spin and squirm like you and Mr. Lied does is disgraceful and shameless.
Dense, senseless, or Lied-style nazi, I'll just lump you in with Mr. Lied :)).
Yes, you have shown for the record that where you hang out is with Irving, IHR, codoh, Hoffman and similar. Want me to post the proof again? Want to repeat your pathetic attempt at a denial?
Bump.
Didn't they finesse this and consider Croats to be not Slavs but Aryans? Germans were never consistent on race. Over 100,000 men of Jewish heritage served in their military too.
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