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1 posted on 05/08/2002 5:12:55 AM PDT by Boonie Rat
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To: Boonie Rat
Bump to leaving government schools.
2 posted on 05/08/2002 5:23:02 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: Boonie Rat;LarryLied;doug from upland;*Education News;*Homeschool_list
"I proclaim publicly that I favor ending government involvement in education."

And let's end the National Education Association's involvement in education:

Let's Help Nail the Teachers Unions -- It is National FReep Time

3 posted on 05/08/2002 5:31:48 AM PDT by EdReform
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BTTT
4 posted on 05/08/2002 5:34:04 AM PDT by firewalk
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To: Boonie Rat
There was a time when it seemed like complaints of public schools indoctrinating kids with politically correct and pro-government ideology was serious tinfoil hat stuff. Now, it seems like anyone who doesn't think that's exactly what public schools are doing, by design, is tragicaly naive.
5 posted on 05/08/2002 5:36:22 AM PDT by tdadams
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Are Parents Boycotting Public Schools?

This one is.

6 posted on 05/08/2002 5:38:15 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: Boonie Rat;khepera;grandmom
When God has no place in Education and a theory (evolution) which has never been proven is considered "sacred", then yes, it's time to keep our children away. As long as hate groups like NEA and GLSEN, to name two, run our schools we will continue to boycott.
9 posted on 05/08/2002 5:48:11 AM PDT by wwjdn
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YES.
10 posted on 05/08/2002 5:49:41 AM PDT by Marie Antoinette
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I have personally boycotted public schools for over 20 years now. The reason I started was due to the fact that I had a terrible time learning because the public school system of Massachusetts failed to educate me with their one-size-fits-all-condition style.

It was not until my parents, at great personal cost, sent me to a small private christian school tat I learned how to learn. They could not afford it for more than one year and I went back to the public indoctrination centers and thus the grades fell and my abilities declined.

I finally broke free from the bondage of unionized government indoctrination and learned how to learn on my own, put myslef through college and am still paying for the 29,000 in loans I took to do it. I was poverty and off my parents taxes for over 5 years but was, in the end, too white and too male for government assistance.

Ever since graduating from university I have been totally against ever sending my children to any public institution run by the government where they will be conditioned to their version of a citizen. Where the social construct is government-nanny based and where individual acheivement is played down to the point of "why even bother." I would never be accepting of a place where my input is not only rejected but fought. Where my children will be forcefully taught and required to accept contrary values to their religion and culture. Where incorrect is "not too bad at all" and absolutes do not exist.

No, not for my children except in my death and I have no ability to say, they shall never be institutionalized like that. We did private school and recognized that even that had its problems, one of classroom size and divided attention. It was a great improvement over any form of public school and they did learn in a qualitative manner, but the problem was the long day to do so, the transportation and a few otherwise small issues.

We now home school. We are amazed that we did not do this earlier. Our 2 older children are leaps and bounds ahead of any public school peer and eve ahead of many private school peers as well. The oldest in 2nd grade outshines most in reading, reasoning, critical thinking, and language arts. The 2nd child went through kindergarten and 1st grade in a single year and begs for more. They love learning and their passion for it is being passed on to the third child who is now in the mix though only 4 years old. They have done major science projects that they would not do until 5th or 6th grade in public school and they understand it. They read and write poetry. They eagerly stand up in front of an audiance and sing with their home school choral groups and have learned instruments as well. They do group outings, travel with mom and dad to exciting places to learn while their public school students sit in class rooms and get the state version of how the world ought to be.

I do not put down th emany in public scholl doing their best to make the best of it all. There are actually many fine teachers and administrators in the country that work hard and have nothing but tied hands everytime they strive to make it better. Some of them win important battles. However, until the state no longer controls and the leftists socialists utopian liberal unions have no power, the only thing that public schoosl will produce with great efficiency is misery and failure on a large scale.

Take your kids out of school. If you can't, I understand and am the type of person that stands with you at the school board meetings to fight for a better school. After all, I may home school and have none of my children in the states hands, but until they stop confiscating money from me to pay for students they do not have in their system, they will hear from me. I am not going away.

11 posted on 05/08/2002 5:58:24 AM PDT by ICE-FLYER
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Homeschool, Homeschool, Rah Rah Rah:)

Becky

12 posted on 05/08/2002 6:18:35 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: Boonie Rat;Mad Dawgg; BureaucratusMaximus
Here are links to various education threads (also containing numerous helpful links)

FReegards

History of America's Education Part 2: Noah Webster and Early America
Source: Sierra Times; Published: March 27, 2002;
Author: April Shenandoah

How Communist is Public Education?
Source: sierratimes.com; Published:March 22, 2002;
Author: Chuck Morse

History of America's Education Part 1: Johnny is in trouble
Source: Sierra Times; Published: March 20, 2002 ;
Author: April Shenandoah

Audit rips Georgia schools' curriculum
Source: Atlanta Journal-Constitution; Published: March 11, 2002;
Author:JAMES SALZER

Why schools fail: Samuel Blumenfeld warns Bush's education legislation is ineffective
Source: WorldNetDaily.com; Published: March 2, 2002;
Author: Samuel Blumenfeld

Public School Isn't Like I Remember It
Too Good Reports; Published: February 28, 2002;
Author: Phyllis Schlafly

What Is Lacking In Our Educational System
Source: Too Good Reports; Published: February 28, 2002;
Author:| Ben Cerruti

The charade of education reform
Source: WorldNetDaily.com; Published: February 2, 2002;
Author: Dr. Samuel L. Blumenfeld

American public schools: Working just as designed
Source: WorldNetDaily.com; Published: January 21, 2002;
Author: Vox Day

High Schools Fail Thanks To Grade Inflation And Social Promotion
Source: Toogood Reports; Published: December 5, 2001
Author: Vin Suprynowicz

WHY AMERICANS CAN’T READ
Source: Accuracy in Media; Published: December 4, 2001
Author: Reed Irvine and Cliff Kincaid

The Failing Teacher and the Teachers' Code of Silence
Source: CNSNews.com; Published: December 3, 2001
Author: Glenn Sacks

Time for outrage! Linda Bowles reports latest results in America's public schools
Source: WorldNetDaily.com; Published: November 27, 2001
Author: Linda Bowles

Illiterate in Boston: Samuel Blumenfeld explains U.S.'s ongoing reading problem
Source: WorldNetDaily.com; Published: July 20, 2001
Author:Samuel Blumenfeld

NEA - Let our children go!
Source: WorldNet Daily; Published: June 23. 2001
Author: Linda Harvey

COOKING THE BOOKS AT EDUCATION
Source: Accuracy In Media; Published: June 5, 2001;
Author: Cliff Kincaid

Why Do Schools Play Games With Students' Minds ?
Source: The Detroit News; Published: April 1, 2001
Author: Thomas Sowell

The Public School Nightmare: Why fix a system designed to destroy individual thought?
Source: http://home.talkcity.com/LibraryDr/patt/homeschl.htm
Author: John Taylor Gatto

Dumbing down teachers
Source: USNews.com; Published: February 21, 2001
Author: John Leo

Free Republic links to education related articles (thread#8)
Source: Free Republic; Published: 3-20-2001
Author: Various

Are children deliberately 'dumbed down' in school? {YES!!!}
Source: World Net Daily; Published: May 13, 2001
Author: Geoff Metcalf {Interview}

Could they really have done it on purpose?
Source: THE LIBERTARIAN; Published: 07/28/2000
Author: Vin Suprynowicz

New Book Explores America's Education Catastrophe
Source: Christian Citizen USA; Published: April 2000
Author: William H. Wild

Deliberately dumbing us down (Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt's, "The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America"
Source: WorldNetDaily.com; Published: December 2,1999
Author: Samuel L. Blumenfeld

Deconstructing the Western Mind: Gramscian-Marxist Subversion of Faith and Education
Source: www.petersnet; Published: Winter 1997
Author: Frank Morriss

Littleton Crisis to Government Control

The UN Plan for Your Mental Health


14 posted on 05/08/2002 6:26:06 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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Wendy McElroy = long time Libertarian.
Marshall Fritz = long time Libertarian.
15 posted on 05/08/2002 6:27:14 AM PDT by jlogajan
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The public schools cannot be changed. People have been trying to change the schools for 50 years. It can't be done. Period.

Trying to get phonics in the schools? If you succeed, I guarantee the program will be undermined within two years. Another stealth version of the completely discredited "see-say" method will be quietly introduced. "See-say" has never worked, will never work, and can never work. So why do schools refuse to teach?

1. The teachers are trained at teacher colleges that are very similar throughout the country. Unlike any other profession, teachers are indoctrinated to believe the same things nation wide. There are "rebels", but a large majority of teachers mouth the same pathetic platitudes across the nation. Teachers are not taught how to teach. They are taught how to make the "learning experience" meaningful and uplifting to the student. They are taught how to help students "feel good". They are taught how to indoctrinate their students into liberalism. It's all crap. Deeply engrained crap. The average teacher is delusional about the teaching profession. (I know there are exceptions.)

Read the whole sorry story in Richard Mitchell's "The Graves of Academe", a book that will convince you to just give up on "reforming" the schools -- the complete version is on the web.

2. The administrators are people who hate to teach. But they share the same delusions about "teaching" as the teachers since they also were indoctrinated at the teacher colleges.

3. School district officials have infinite resources to use against would-be reformers and they have no scrupples against lying about what goes on in a classroom. They have an infinite supply of promises they have no intention of keeping.

There is no such thing as public school reform. Parents who want educated children need to figure out how to homeschool or to send their kids to private school. Period.

Public schools: opt out is the only option.

16 posted on 05/08/2002 6:30:02 AM PDT by Semi Civil Servant
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Perhaps Marshall Fritz is correct in believing that Dobson's statements could signal the beginning of a revolution.

Hardly the beginning.

18 posted on 05/08/2002 6:49:33 AM PDT by cruiserman
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As parents remove their children from the public schools, however, governmental resistance to alternative education will probably increase. The most vulnerable alternative is likely to be homeschooling. Stories such as that of California mom Sandra Sorenson may become more common.

This is what I am concerned about. It is imperative that the left indoctrinate the children. As they have gotten their programs into the schools, parents have moved their children out. When the left wakes up to how many children have been removed from their influence, they will viciously start to attack hs and private schooling. Look for them to start with attacking content ("approved curriculum") because they must control the children's minds.

23 posted on 05/08/2002 7:07:12 AM PDT by I still care
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Every educrat is a thug.
29 posted on 05/08/2002 8:05:07 AM PDT by moyden
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My kids are in their last month of public school(kindergarten and 2nd grade) They will be going to private Christian school next year. Its very sad though that some parents simply cannot afford anything but public school. Vouchers would be great.
30 posted on 05/08/2002 8:11:43 AM PDT by Intimidator
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My children have never sat in a government welfare school/youth indoctrination center classroom. They never will. The revolution began years ago, it is only just picking up steam now.

Yes, my family has to sacrifice a number of material things to homeschool, we have to face the suspicion of the agents of the state, and tolerate the derision of our more "learned" and "enlightened" friends, neighbors, and family members. But we know that we're right and that whatever consequence we have to face to assert our freedom to raise and educate our children in the manner we see fit - it will be worth it.

40 posted on 05/08/2002 9:58:37 AM PDT by Spiff
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Good summary article.

Are Parents Boycotting Public Schools?

Yes.

43 posted on 05/08/2002 10:55:46 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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A school choice bump that's hard to argue with.
46 posted on 05/08/2002 11:07:57 AM PDT by tcostell
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"Take your children out of public schools."

Yes. Then, take yourself out of those states which either harass you for doing it, or refuse to to tell the fedgov and the trade unionists to butt out!.

56 posted on 05/08/2002 11:51:15 PM PDT by Washington_minuteman
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