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The Catholic Ogre
Sobran Web Site ^ | 4/25/02 | Joe Sobran

Posted on 05/11/2002 5:43:33 AM PDT by moneyrunner

The Catholic Ogre
April 25, 2002

by Joe Sobran

Nearly every day for nearly 2,000 years, Catholics have celebrated mass, the sacrificial reenactment of the Last Supper. They have built thousands of churches, monasteries, convents, hospitals, schools, and other religious and charitable institutions. They have prayed, fasted, said rosaries, made novenas, and performed innumerable good deeds. They have developed great theologies and created towering works of religious art, literature, and music.

I mention these facts because some of my readers seem to be under the impression that the main activity of the Church throughout history has been fiendish torture -- of Protestants for reading the Bible, and of scientists for contradicting the Bible. If the charges are true, it seems that the Church has a rather muddled attitude toward the Bible.

At any rate, these readers should do a little more reading. If they can bear to read something about Catholicism that isn't anti-Catholic, I can particularly recommend the new book TRIUMPH: THE POWER AND THE GLORY OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH -- A 2,000-YEAR HISTORY (published by Forum), by H.W. Crocker III, himself a Catholic convert.

Instead of arguing with Catholic doctrine, these readers, whether Protestant or atheist, repeat the same weary myths, which no honest historian would endorse. The point of their myths is not to inform, but to insinuate what they don't dare say: that there is some intrinsic connection between Catholicism and cruelty. If you believe in the Nicene Creed, it somehow follows that you will eventually put people on the rack.

Put this way, it's obvious nonsense. Which is why the enemies of the Church never quite put it this way. They prefer oblique nonsense.

Reading these people, you would get the impression, by insinuation, that because Catholics sometimes tortured and killed heretics and hypocrites, the Catholic Church invented torture. Not killing, of course, because the modern state still finds it necessary to kill people; but, by insinuation, killing is not quite as bad as torture.

To take the favorite example, if you can call it that, there was "the Inquisition." Which Inquisition? These readers seldom know the difference between the Church's inquisition and the notorious Spanish Inquisition, which was a government operation.

Let us not whitewash the Spanish Inquisition. It killed thousands of people -- perhaps as many as 5,000. But over three centuries, that comes out to an average of fewer than 20 per year, and each of them received a personal trial. Contrast that with the modern state, which may kill many thousands in a week or a day, whether by bombing cities or by herding "class" or "race" enemies into frigid concentration camps, without all the bother of individual trials and findings of personal guilt.

We are no longer horrified by the modern habit of bombing cities from airplanes. The practice has become rather dully conventional. Modern man takes it for granted and bears no grudges against the patriotic pilots who do it in obedience to their rulers; but the Catholic savages of the Middle Ages would have found it incomprehensibly cruel. Of course this may only show how primitive they were. How could they possibly understand the necessities of the modern world? We are taught to despise them both for their cruelty and for their humane scruples.

Yes, the early Protestants also dealt harshly with those they deemed heretics. They shared the ancient assumption (hardly challenged until modern times) that criminals deserved torture and death, and they agreed in principle that heresy was a terrible crime that must be snuffed out at its first appearance, even if they defined heresy differently from Catholics. But, after all, they were not Catholics, so they can be forgiven for having agreed with the Catholics in that respect; whereas the Catholics remain unforgivable for having agreed with the Protestants.

The anti-Catholic mentality defies logic. Today it blames the Church for the homosexual predators who have seduced boys in direct violation of the most basic Catholic teachings; the orthodox Catholic press, notably THE WANDERER, has been complaining about these appalling betrayals long before the secular press picked up the story, distorting it with the insinuation that the Church somehow approves of the very perversions she has always condemned. (It's usually the secular press itself that approves of them!)

What else is new? Christ promised to stay with his Church until the end of the world; but he also predicted that she would be hated, slandered, and persecuted. History continues to bear him out.

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I am not Catholic, but Sobran hits the Catholic haters ... and the Christian haters ... right between the eyes here. I disagree with him regarding Protestants getting a free pass. Only those Protestants who change their religion to reflect current values and mores get a free pass. Those who maintain their age-old faith get the same treatment as the Catholics.
1 posted on 05/11/2002 5:43:33 AM PDT by moneyrunner
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To: moneyrunner
We are no longer horrified by the modern habit of bombing cities from airplanes. The practice has become rather dully conventional. Modern man takes it for granted and bears no grudges against the patriotic pilots who do it in obedience to their rulers; but the Catholic savages of the Middle Ages would have found it incomprehensibly cruel. Of course this may only show how primitive they were. How could they possibly understand the necessities of the modern world? We are taught to despise them both for their cruelty and for their humane scruples.

The point is often brought up (valid or not) that technological advances are what made the difference between the scale of the cruelties of yesteryear and those of today. By the way -- I don't blame so much the church itself as the governments that got in bed with it. And Catholics are not necessarily the worst offenders. The widespread winking of Protestant churches at Nazism was a significant factor in Hitler's meteoric rise to power.

2 posted on 05/11/2002 5:53:47 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: goldhammer, black elk, theresa, catholicguy
a ping to a few catholics... is there a list?
3 posted on 05/11/2002 5:57:00 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck
”The widespread winking of Protestant churches at Nazism was a significant factor in Hitler's meteoric rise to power.”

I guessed that it would not take long for Christian bashers to rise to the bait.

4 posted on 05/11/2002 6:01:09 AM PDT by moneyrunner
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To: HiTech RedNeck
. By the way -- I don't blame so much the church itself as the governments that got in bed with it.

I think you have your story exactly backwards. The history of the Church's struggles have at least as much to do with secular rulers who were resentful of the Church's perceived power and influence.

5 posted on 05/11/2002 6:01:40 AM PDT by independentmind
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To: moneyrunner
HiTechRedNeck is not a Christian basher. He just has --shall we say--reservations--about Catholics.
6 posted on 05/11/2002 6:02:53 AM PDT by independentmind
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To: moneyrunner
I'm a funny "basher" -- because I'm a fundie Protestant. I am just being frank about the situation in Nazi Germany. The Protestant churches dropped the ball. They were lukewarm (as were also most of the Jews).
7 posted on 05/11/2002 6:04:47 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: independentmind
Blaming Christians does not require either facts or logic. It’s simply a game with a victim that, in this day and age, does not fight back.
8 posted on 05/11/2002 6:05:35 AM PDT by moneyrunner
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To: HiTech RedNeck
If you are a “fundie” Protestant, you no longer need to feel the guilt of having brought Hitler to power. I was there. Whoever taught you was wrong.
9 posted on 05/11/2002 6:09:57 AM PDT by moneyrunner
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I would guess that freepers with the names campion, aquinas and xavier are good bets.
10 posted on 05/11/2002 6:10:28 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: independentmind
Reservations? Is he one of those who pretend that Catholics are not Christians?
11 posted on 05/11/2002 6:12:02 AM PDT by moneyrunner
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To: independentmind
Even though a fundie, I can't sit and NOT care about the Catholic church. Because it's one enormous organization out there earnestly stating to the world that it is "the" Christian church. I think that theologically it has painted itself into a corner of bad doctrine that it probably can't recover from before Christ's return, but I don't hold that as a certitude.
12 posted on 05/11/2002 6:12:18 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: moneyrunner
HiTech Redneck is not a Christian-basher. There were plenty of Protestants and Catholics who supported Hitler. I've seen pictures of the processions of priests, altar boys, and nuns, with candles, crosses, and swastikas.

In the same way, while the pro-life movement for more than a decade was almost 100% Catholic, Roe v. Wade was authored by a Catholic (Brennan--Blackmun was a front man), and the "Catholic" states have two pro-abortion Senators, while only where the Catholics are a tiny minority are there two pro-life Senators.

The Democrat party is the "Catholic" party, and it is the party of sodomy, treason, genocide, and thievery.

When we say that "the Catholic Church" opposes these evils--especially abortion--we mean that THE POPE and SOME OF THE LAITY oppose them. The Bishops and Priests have been mostly absent and silent on abortion for 35 years.

13 posted on 05/11/2002 6:16:00 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: moneyrunner
What I believe is that a Catholic becomes a Christian in exactly the same way a Protestant becomes a Christian. I.e. he puts his trust directly in Jesus Christ for his eternal life. Being a "Baptist" is no more a ticket to heaven than being a "Catholic."
14 posted on 05/11/2002 6:19:53 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Arthur McGowan
The Democrat party is the "Catholic" party, and it is the party of sodomy, treason, genocide, and thievery.

Good Grief! Catholics who are regular communicants following the Magisterium are not in lock step with the Democrats. It is the CINO's, the Christmas & Easter bunch that are the problem. The Democratic party is the CINO party.
15 posted on 05/11/2002 6:29:56 AM PDT by Domestic Church
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To: Arthur McGowan
How do the Cardinals weigh in on the issue?

The issue of abortion, like the issue of sexual immorality, is one where I greatly admire the official Catholic position. The only thing I can really fault is the almost total Catholic concentration on the theme of "oh, what an evil in the sight of God." Well yes it is an evil in the sight of God, but WHAT ABOUT THE HUMAN VICTIMS?? (Born, or unborn.) To miss this issue is to miss one of God's chief stated concerns in the matter. It's not a matter simply isolated between God and the individual offender.

16 posted on 05/11/2002 6:33:09 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: moneyrunner
Here in Mexico, the ARCHIVES OF THE NATION, The Spanish Inquistion, WAS a church instituted apparatus, totally in accord with the titular government that was always placed by the clergy. Separation of Church and State was a Reformation idea, and did not exist in New Spain. So to say that the SPANISH INQUISTION "wasn't a church purge," but a government operation is not being truthful. Volumes and volumes of records here in Mexico,.... I don't know where the idea of 5,000 deaths come from?
17 posted on 05/11/2002 6:39:29 AM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: Arthur McGowan
And, actually this sparse attention to the victims, seems to apply more to sexual immorality (in which there are many more victims than the fornicator himself).

As far as abortion is concerned, Catholics have been doing a fair job of pointing out the "vulnerability of the unborn" though the overall impression still seems to be of a rather otherworldly and theoretical point of view, almost begging listeners to think "oh, that's just a Catholic theological thing -- I'm not a Catholic (or a faithful Catholic) so why should I care?"

19 posted on 05/11/2002 6:46:24 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: campion, aquinasfan
Ping (who's xavier?)
20 posted on 05/11/2002 6:52:08 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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