The Roots of the Scandal

What I find amazing is that you guys seem to show up on the same threads at the same time singing the same tunes. What's your secret?

Swell ... an "Encounter" weekend. Just what I need to hear. =)

For the record, when my wife and I went to a similar 'encounter' weekend before our marriage, we found it to be meaningless, toothless, and generally filled with psychobabble pusillanimity. The priest (call me 'Father Dave') didn't bother to wear his Roman collar and the natural family planning section was an absolute joke. It was presented like, "well, none of you are *really* going to use this, but we have to go over it, so ..."

My brother and sister-in-law who went to the same one with us were absolutely appalled at how much time was spent 'softening' or running away from Church teaching on various issues - even more so than we were. They wouldn't even attend the mass afterwards - they went and found a Catholic church nearby. In short, it was geared toward making Catholics-in-name-only feel comfortable and making those of us who take the Faith seriously get sick to our stomachs.

You're married?

You must have succumbed to the tempations of the flesh as well.

In short, it was geared toward making Catholics-in-name-only feel comfortable and making those of us who take the Faith seriously get sick to our stomachs.

Well, maybe if you and your wife got off your asses and volunteered to work in the Engaged Encounter weekend, you could have some influence.

As it is, you do what you're best at, and that is gripe and complain.

You're married? You must have succumbed to the tempations of the flesh as well.

Yes. And I mentioned it to you on a post you previously responded to on another thread in just these terms. Who, exactly, are you trying to fool?

Well, maybe if you and your wife got off your asses and volunteered to work in the Engaged Encounter weekend, you could have some influence. As it is, you do what you're best at, and that is gripe and complain.

You're funny. You know nothing of what I do. And my only griping and complaining is in response to your steady stream of gripes and complaints. Deal with it.

Two years ago the rector of the Cleveland seminary confirmed that there are also many seminary faculties which include a disproportionate number of homosexuals.

The RC diocese in Albany NY produces a Sunday program entitled Table of the Lord. The mass is usually broadcast from the day chapel of a local parish with parish school children in attendance.

For four weeks running, I have watched this broadcast on Sunday morning. Each of the priests invited to say the mass was a homosexual. There is a disproportionate number of gay priests in the Albany diocese. A heterosexual neighbor abandoned his call to the priesthood, after several months in an Albany diocesan seminary. It is quite alarming to live in a diocese where one has to search long and hard to find a priest who is NOT homosexual!

Michael Rose is right in so many ways, but especially in his identification of the "human potential" movement as the root of this present darkness. This is the face of "self-actualization."

I also found the following excerpt enlightening:

At St. John’s Seminary in Boston that same year, one seminarian was sexually harassed by another seminarian so persistently that he was forced to file a restraining order against his classmate. He did so only after he determined that the administration at the seminary would do nothing to protect him. But even worse, the victim was scolded by seminary administrators for embarrassing the seminary, while nothing was done about the gay seminarian whose harassment had created the problem. In fact, the victim left the seminary, while the gay seminarian advanced toward ordination.

A couple of years ago a friend of mine in his mid 30s told me that he was considering the priesthood, and that that fall he and two other guys from our K of C chapter would also be entering the seminary. Two were going to St. John's, the local seminary. My friend told me that he was going to Nebraska (FSSP).

I couldn't understand why someone with friends in the area would want to travel to Nebraska to go to the seminary. He told me that there was a "homosexual problem" at St. John's. That's when I figured his imagination was running wild, and I steered the conversation in another direction.

It helps me understand why these abused seminarians had been so reluctant to tell their stories up until now. Hopefully it will be easier now.

I just go Michael Rose's book. It's a must read. He provides plenty of documentation and anecdotes regarding homosexual and heterodox seminaries.

this rot is so huge and so widespread, one has to wonder if there wasn't some diabolical plan laid out many years ago, in the hope that the rot would one day topple the Church.

I can't dismiss the possibility out of hand, but I don't think that any overt, widespread conspiracy could remain secret for decades, especially considering the scruples of those involved.

I certainly understand how people can come to the conclusion that some kind of conspiracy is responsible for the Church's troubles. It certainly looks that way. And ultimately I think there is a conspiracy. But it's other-worldly –it's orchestrated from hell. The fact that the devil is the most intelligent creature should give one pause.