Oregon County Set For Timber Showdown

AP: via The Guardian (United Kingdom) ^ | 5/23/2002 | AP

[rollin]

There always comes a point in each civilization when the citizens either say "enough is enough" and take matters back into the hands of the citizens most affected by policies of the central authorities or they become nothing more than serfs to the central government.

At that point, tempers flare and often violent confrontation begins which either leads to changes in the central government policies or a total revolution sometime in the future.

Remember this statistic . . . it only takes 7% of the population to wage a successful revolution if they are committed. The have's are only about 5% of the population and the remaining 88% of the population don't have their way of life changed dramatically irrespective of who is in power.

Jeff Head and others counseled the Klamath people to not incite a violent confrontation. However, that course of action destroyed the livlihoods of how many families in the Klamath region and even today, the situation has not been fully resolved.

Two questions for you to think about.

Will the farmers ever regain their economic losses from the policies imposed by the government and the lawsuits foistered upon the region by the environmentalists?

If someone had dynamited the headgates, would the community been better or worse off than it is now?

The people in Grant County are drawing a line in the sand. Whether they have the backbone to fight for the line is still an open question. But the environmentalists and the central government people must be aware that people's limits are quickly being reached.

[Carry_Okie]

Perhaps these people should look to New Mexico's SB-1 use of emergency laws to the same effect, IIRC passed in 2001. My book lists a number of SCOTUS precedents that the County could use.

AuntB, do you know anybody up there with whom I should have a chat?

[Carry_Okie]

If someone had dynamited the headgates, would the community been better or worse off than it is now?

Worse. No gates, no storage, no lake, no late season water at all.

[AuntB]

"Two questions for you to think about."

I've thought about little else but those two questions for about 10 years now.

"Will the farmers ever regain their economic losses from the policies imposed by the government and the lawsuits foistered upon the region by the environmentalists?"

NO.

If someone had dynamited the headgates, would the community been better or worse off than it is now?

WORSE.

But, don't forget. This isn't over yet. And I don't have a crystal ball.

[AuntB]

No, I don't. But I'm going to make some calls tomorrow. I'm sure I have a John Day phone book "somewhere". I'll let you know what I find out. I tried the names given in the stories on the internet and couldn't find anything on them. When I was up there 4 years ago, I spread so much material around about the UN, Exec. orders, land-grabs, but didn't get anyone's name. I bet I wouldn't get as many blank stares now, either.

[AuntB]

"However, that course of action destroyed the livlihoods of how many families in the Klamath region"

I read your statement again. It's STILL dumb. Next time, come join us and then give an opinion.....WHO is it that we destroyed?

[AuntB]

This article gives some more info. Catch you all later! I'm heading for the sunshine!http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=46460

Grant County vote allows logging without permission.

By JOSEPH B. FRAZIER Associated Press Writer

Grant County voters overwhelmingly passed a measure allowing cutting of dangerous or fire-prone trees on federal land without permission, setting up a potential showdown with forest officials.

The measure passed 1,512 to 745 Tuesday despite cautions that county law does not override federal regulations, which prohibit people from freely cutting trees on their own.

Herb Brusman, who helped write the measure, said Wednesday it would reduce the threat of wildfire by letting residents thin trees, remove trees in danger of falling onto roads and provide income to loggers and mills.

He said his group would meet with county officials. "If they go along with us, all well and good and the same goes for the Forest Service," he said. "Whatever happens, we are still going to do it."

The measure recalls the "Sagebrush Rebellions" of the 1980s in which counties in some Western states claimed control of federal land within their borders.

More than 60 percent of the Connecticut-sized county of 7,500, economically depressed by reductions in logging, is publicly owned. Sawmills still operating do so on reduced shifts because of log shortages. The eastern Oregon county's unemployment rate - 13.5 percent - is the second-highest in the state, and people are moving away.

The measure passed on Tuesday is an expression of residents' frustration. It reads that residents may "participate in stewardship of natural resources on public lands within the County when those resources or the use of those resources become detrimental to the health, welfare or safety of the people."

The measure would help area loggers, log haulers and mills, Brusman said. "Instead of the county paying for a faller to go in, we are going to do it free. The difference is we are going to harvest the tree, take it to a mill and the profits will be divided," he said.

Jennifer Harris, spokeswoman for the Malheur National Forest, much of which lies within the county, said she understood Brusman and his backers will be presenting a plan "and we will be a part of that discussion."

"We understand the frustration the folks in the community have," said Rex Holloway, a spokesman for the U.S. Forest Service in Portland.

"We have restoration work that we have been working with the community on and will continue to work with them on." He said there also is thinning work. "It has taken a little longer than we wanted but we feel we are beginning to make some progress," he said.

The projects will produce jobs and could involve logging, Holloway said. The county also passed 1,326 to 959 a measure banning United Nations action in the county.

The measure asserted U.N. activity would subject the county to the confiscation of weapons, a one-world education, confiscation of private property, a one-world pantheistic religion, a world tax and subjugation to world courts.

Brusman admitted that the U.N Charter does not call for all those things. "But there is a lot on their agenda," he said.

"We don't want the U.N to come in here and step on us as a county and a state. It's a communist organization as far as we're concerned," he said.

[redrock]

Looks like a little road trip to Oregon will be coming up.

me

[Salvation]

reduce the threat of wildfire by letting residents thin trees, remove trees in danger of falling onto roads and provide income to loggers and mills.

You go, Grant County!

[Grampa Dave]

Most of the editors and publishers of the fishwraps in America are card carrying enviralists.

They have been spiking news like this and the 10,000 people protesting the cutoff of water to the farmers/ranchers in the Klamath Basin for decades.

They will only carry the enviral side that the great envirals are saving the Sacred Sucker Fish that greedy ranchers, farmers or loggers want to kill by greedy farming, ranching or logging.

One of the key ways of handling news for the rat side is the spiking of stories like yours by the editors/publishers of the fish wraps. If they don't report it, it didn't happen to 99.99% of Americans.

[joyce11111]

THANKS FOR THE PING.

[rollin]

How many families and/or businesses that were in the Klamath Basin two years ago are not today? That is the basic question. From driving through the area a couple of weeks ago, I think the answer is at least one or two. But then, maybe I am wrong.

[Justanumba]

But wait a minute, if you let the residents thin the trees, then the government won't need to hire federal workers spending taxpayer dollars to do it. And they won't need to hire firefighters because the forests won't burn. Think of all of the federal jobs lost! It's enough to make a bureaucrat cry.

[Salvation]

But wait a minute, if you let the residents thin the trees, then the government won't need to hire federal workers spending taxpayer dollars to do it. And they won't need to hire firefighters because the forests won't burn. Think of all of the federal jobs lost! It's enough to make a bureaucrat cry.

Oh, how sad....................NOT!

[Washington_minuteman]

Thanks B, for the ping on this.

I'm so sick of all this. Icrementalism. A little bit here. A little bit there. By the time those fascists and eco-socialists are finished, this land will not be fit to live in.

If they mean to kill us, those of us who love this nation and it's Constitution, better to die standing up, than to crawl before them, begging for mercy, which we shall never receive.

America has left us, Brothers and Sisters! We are still here, but the nation we once new and loved has long since departed. What remains is a vassel of the soon to come, globalist police state, where the slime from the District of Criminals claim jurisdiction over all that makes a man able to call himself free.

It's about time that we show them, that this candle is not worth the price! Either they allow us to live in peace, unmolested, unnumbered, unidentified, unscanned, unchipped, or we shall take up the offensive!

If Grant County, Oregon is willing, then I would call for all true Patriots, those whose blood is like that of the Founders, go there and man the battelments, forcing the ultimate confontation. This is not a call for a weekend journey, but a call for the duration. Either this is a Representaive Constitutional Republic, or it's a globalist police state. We cannot have it both ways!

We must drive the enemy from our midst, but we cannot do that until we are united in a course of action. We cannot do that so long as we are spread so thin across the land. We must come together, somewhere, and make our stand; our final stand.

Treason reigns in the White House and the halls of Congress. We shall find no advocate there. The President makes war for oil, far across the sea, and his government makes war upon the We the People. Only God Himself, will stand up for us. But He will not stand, if we are unwilling. If we love our creature comforts more than the animating contest of liberty, then the battle is lost already.

That which is unconstitutional, we are not compelled to obey, and no one is compelled to enforce, so says the Supreme Court.

What will it take? How many more upsurptions of power will we tolerate before we take a stand?

The Jarbidge Shovel Brigade stood where others would not. Some of us stood at Kalamath Falls, and others stood near Loomis; while while the rest slept.

Miners, loggers, farmers, and veterans have made their stand. Now, it's time for the rest of us to wake up, join with them, and make a united stand for Freedom and Liberty. We are not insignificant. We are a mighty power, and a terrible force against those who hate America; it's Constitution, and it's people. A force to be reckoned with. Stand down the cowardly beast, before there's nothing left to make a stand for.

4/19!
minuteman

[Jack Black]

For anyone who doesn't already know I thougt I would debunk the article you thoughfully put up.

These Oregonian staff writers are liars, plain and simple. They are the equivelent of the people who worked for Goebels writing propaganda for Hitler. Read this gem:

The U.N. ballot measure claimed the U.N. Charter promotes seizure of small arms and private land, worldwide taxation and "one-world controlled education of our children." All that's both untrue and just plain weird, but 58 percent of voters went ahead and demanded that the U.N. stay out of Grant County anyway.

Lies! Is this reporter just ignorant, has he or she never even bothered to surf the UN web stie. The truth of what is claimed in this new law is easy to find with even a little tiny bit of work. Of course the UN promotes seizure of small arms. (I will site official UN information outside the charter. This use of "not in the charter" is a dodge)

They had a huge conference on it in NY last year to promote global civilian disarmament. It's always been a top UN agenda item. In front of the UN building is this statue:

Not any gun, but the quentessential gun of the free US citizen, a revolver. Not a Nazi Luger, not the AK-47, tool of Communists worldwide for 50 years, no a nice all-American big bore revolver. (Hopefullly someday we can modify this monstrosity to be a nice snub gun with a fixed site. But I digress... )

What's on their web page? Well this gem sets the big picture agenda:

"• To take concerted action to end illicit traffic in small arms and light weapons, especially by making arms transfers more transparent and supporting regional disarmament measures, taking account of all the recommendations of the forthcoming United Nations Conference on Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons."

Here's the LINK TO UN WEB SITE so you can see I'm not inventing things.

Here are the specific recomendations:

Among the national measures undertaken by States was to ensure that licensed manufacturers apply an appropriate and reliable marking on each small arm and light weapon as an integral part of the production process, as well as ensure that comprehensive and accurate records were kept for as long as possible on the manufacture, holding and transfer of small arms and light weapons under their jurisdiction.

In contradiction to US law and tradition requires UN members to keep permanant records of all gun owners.

Here is where they regret that they were not able to pass a full civilian disarmament program:

Unfortunately, he continued, there had been no agreement reached on two of the most important issues -– maintaining and controlling private ownership of small arms and the transfer of such weapons to non-State actors -- even though there was overwhelming support for their inclusion in the outcome document. While congratulating all delegations for reaching consensus, he expressed disappointment that deliberations on those issues had been hampered by inflexibility on the part of one delegation.

And again, the LINK from UN Website

Look they are not a secret conspiracy. It's all right in the open. It took me five minutes to find these documents on the web. Why is it that so called "professional reporters" can't do research but instead only make snide comments "just plain weird". What is weird is that a major daily newspaper has forgotten the basics of reporting and turned into a propaganda tool of the New World Order interationalists.

Oh, yeah. Who do you think that "one nation" preventing this was? The USA under the leadership of G.W. Bush, no doubt.

How about world wide taxation. A nother untrue "weird myth" or rural Oregonians acting out? I don't think so. (Do the idiot reporters at the Oregonian even READ the news?) Here is an excerpt of a news report on this topic:

If you think this is fanciful then you need to read the recently-published report of the United Nations' "High-level Panel on Financing for Development".

The report of the Panel, chaired by Ernesto Zedillo, former President of Mexico, has 12 major recommendations, every one of them scary, but the four that particularly concern taxation are the creation of an 'International Tax Organization', the imposition of global taxes (eg the Tobin tax), the creation of a fund from the proceeds of global taxation and a levy (ie, tax) of 0.7% of GDP on all developed nations, and the establishment of a 'Global Economic Security Council' = a world government in all but name. The GDP levy just on its own is reckoned to create a flow of $1.5 trillion dollars a year - the UN's bureaucrats could achieve quite a lot with that!

LINK TO STORY in TAX-NEWS.COM
For the benefit of idiot Oregonian reporters perhaps I should put in a link to GOOGLE

I won't bother to find the details to debunk the rest of this junk story right now, it's really not worth my time. Today is Memorial Day, I'm going to go walk through the nearby cemetary and think about the sacrafices made to create the freedom the UN so clearly is set on destroying.

[nunya bidness]

I've got a couple of Stihls that are gathering dust. Time for a road trip.

Julie Smithson was at Klamath and her book details current legislation reading word for word from UN docs.

It wouldn't hurt to get Helen Chenoweth involved too.

Keep me posted.

[hattend]

Post Vacation, 5 days late BTTT

[Clinging Bitterly]

Ping

See a more cuurent article here

Dave in Eugene