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UN Lawyer Turns Over Hijacker Info
AP via Yahoo! News ^ | Wed May 29, 4:06 PM ET | EDITH M. LEDERER

Posted on 05/29/2002 6:56:06 PM PDT by Spar

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To: Honorary Serb
Hey, I am not a Serb either....I am 100% ANTI-klintoon AND HIS PRO-MUSLIM POLICIES!!
51 posted on 05/30/2002 9:59:31 PM PDT by crazykatz
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To: Spar
"What was Del Puta doing witha file on the hijaker then?"

Good question, I don't know the answer, and neither do you.

52 posted on 05/31/2002 4:19:42 AM PDT by ABrit
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To: Honorary Serb
A different recollection:

"The Americans now backed the Lisbon conference, at which Bosnia's ethnic partition was for the first time endorsed as a solution nobody knew to what. Though the plan was rejected by the Bosnian assembly, Zimmermann encouraged Izetbegovic to accept anything the European Community was ready to endorse. Only after Karadzic had rejected the Cutileiro plan and declared his own republic, when all easy options were gone and Bosnia was sliding unprepared into a bloody war, did Zimmermann recommend to Washington that Bosnia be recognized: 'Now the EC had recognized Croatia and Slovenia, Izetbegovic's Bosnia was threatened with isolation in a Milosevic-dominated "Serbo-slavia".Link

53 posted on 05/31/2002 5:05:54 AM PDT by ABrit
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To: Voronin;spar;vooch;Honorary Serb;voronin
Seems your Serb rewrite of history is not true.

"After the first multi-parti elections in December 1990, together the three major political parties representing each of Bosnia's national-confessional groups formed a coalition under the leadership of the mild mannered, rational, and statesmanlike Alija Izetbegovic, leader of the Party of Democratic Action, overwhelmingly Muslim in composition. Izetbegovic became a hero of the Bosnian Muslims for his defense of their right to practice their religion without persecution by the state.(14) He had been jailed in the early 1980s on trumped up charges that he intended to create an Islamic Republic modeled on Khomeini's Iran and to convert all Croatians and Serbs to Islam by force. Izetbegovic had merely written works of political philosphy in which he speculated about the ethical basis for democratic government in an Islamic society and the position of Islam in the modern world. His writings contained no proposals to create an Islamic state in Bonsia-Hercegovina. By the time Izetbegovic assumed office as president of a tri-national, tri-religious coalition in late 1990, he was clearly a partisan of a secular democratic Bosnia and a secular and democratic Yugoslavia in which members of all religious groups could live together in harmony, peace, and equality."Link

54 posted on 05/31/2002 5:56:00 AM PDT by ABrit
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To: ABrit
Is that the best you can do? You address none of the points brought up by my post save your extremely lazy 'Seems your Serb rewrite of history is not true' but just rely on (of all people) Branka Magas and a guy who shows his obvious biased views in the first paragraph - may the fact that he has a Phd. makes him qualified enough in your eyes. Tut, tut. Don't expect me to be impressed that you could find such transparent propaganda so easily.

VRN

55 posted on 05/31/2002 6:34:32 AM PDT by Voronin
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To: Voronin
Your post seems to comprise a disputed "quote" from a book that is not available to check, and commentary added by Balkan Research Center, the well known Serb propoganda site. Show me one reputable news source that quotes Izetbegovic saying the things you attribute to him.
56 posted on 05/31/2002 6:40:07 AM PDT by ABrit
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To: Voronin
ABOUT ALAN F. FOGELQUIST:

Since completing his Ph. D. in Modern Balkan and Comparative History at UCLA in December 1990, Alan F. Fogelquist has dedicated full time to research and analysis of the post communist conflicts in former Yugoslavia the former Soviet Union and international policies towards these regions. He has spoken at numerous public forums on the current situation in the Balkans and participated in conferences at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington D. C. and the Rand Corporation in Santa Monica, California. He has worked as a consultant on War Crimes for Helsinki Watch and provided consultation to members of the United States Senate and United States Congress and the Bosnian Mission to the United Nations. Alan Fogelquist is author of the monograph Handbook of Facts on the Break-up of Yugoslavia, International Policy and the War in Bosnia Hercegovina (Ann Arbor, Michigan: AEIOU Publishing, 1993) as well as several articles for scholarly publications and newspapers. He is currently writing a comparative study of conflicts arising from the breakup of the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia. Dr. Fogelquist has visited Bosnia-Hercegovina, Croatia, Kosova, Macedonia and other areas of former Yugoslavia on several occasions. He lived in Sarajevo from 1981 to 1984. He has an excellent knowledge of Bosno-Croatian, Spanish and Portuguese and a good working knowledge of Persian, Russian, Bulgarian, Slovenian, Macedonian, and French. Alan Fogelquist is currently a post-doctoral scholar in Modern Balkan and Comparative History at the University of California at Los Angeles, UCLA

57 posted on 05/31/2002 6:43:30 AM PDT by ABrit
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To: ABrit;Voronin;vooch;Honorary Serb;voronin
Abrit, all your posts do not deflect that fact that a Bosnian Muslim jihadist terrorist was on one of the hijacked planes and that his existence and base of operations in Bosnia was well known by all. The fact that at this time they are not revealing this Bosnian's name means that they are embarrassed at the information that will be released.
58 posted on 05/31/2002 10:01:03 AM PDT by Spar
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To: Voronin;vooch;Honorary Serb;voronin;spar
I thought all the 911 hijackers had been named and accounted for?
59 posted on 05/31/2002 10:16:01 AM PDT by ABrit
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To: ABrit; Voronin;vooch;Honorary Serb;voronin
They were, so I wonder why they wont tell us which hijaker of the 19 was the Bosnian that the UN had a file on? Atta himself?
60 posted on 05/31/2002 10:48:46 AM PDT by Spar
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To: Spar
Why won't you be honest, and say you don't know?
61 posted on 05/31/2002 10:56:30 AM PDT by ABrit
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To: ABrit
I do not know which of the 19 was the Bosnian, but as this article proves ONE OF THE 19 TERRORISTS WAS A BOSNIAN!!!
62 posted on 05/31/2002 11:05:49 AM PDT by Spar
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To: Spar
Already done this, "The article you cite does not say a Bosnian was one of the hijackers. It says they have information related to one of the hijackers. That is not the same thing. Spar you really must not overexcite yourself!"
63 posted on 05/31/2002 11:25:55 AM PDT by ABrit
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To: ABrit; Spar
the mild mannered, rational, and statesmanlike [sic] Alija Izetbegovic, leader of the Party of Democratic Action, overwhelmingly Muslim in composition. Izetbegovic became a hero of the Bosnian Muslims for his defense of their right to practice their religion without persecution by the state [sic]. He had been jailed in the early 1980s on trumped up charges [sic] that he intended to create an Islamic Republic modeled on Khomeini's Iran and to convert all Croatians and Serbs to Islam by force. 

That's nothing but a muslim BIG LIE, which would be laughable if so many people didn't die because of islamic subversion in Bosnia, and if the muslim entity in Bosnia had not become such a nest of terrorists who are even attacking America.

Here's the truth about Izetbegovic, who is cut from the same cloth as Khomeini and Bin Laden, but can put on a smooth-talking "diplomatic" front:

President Alija Izetbegovic's Islamic Declaration, first published in 1970 when it earned him a prison sentence, demanded a fully-fundamentalist Muslim state in Bosnia without scope for non-Muslim institutions or any division between religion, politics, and economics. The book was republished in 1990 in Sarajevo (by Mala Muslimanska Biblioteka). It scathingly attacks Attaturk's reforms and holds up Pakistan as a model to be followed.

An excerpt from the "Declaration" (p. 22):

"...   The first and foremost of such conclusions is surely the one on the incompatibility of Islam and non-Islamic systems. There can be no peace or coexistence between the "Islamic faith" and non- Islamic societies and political institutions. ... Islam clearly excludes the right and possibility of activity of any strange ideology on its own turf. Therefore, there is no question of any laicistic principles, and the state should be an expression and should support the moral concepts of the religion. ..."                                                       

64 posted on 05/31/2002 2:06:08 PM PDT by Honorary Serb
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To: ABrit
Islamist scum, one and the same. Bosnia was the HQ for the 9/11 cell.
65 posted on 05/31/2002 4:15:01 PM PDT by Spar
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To: Honorary Serb
Regarding the President Alija Izetbegovic's Islamic Declaration, first published in 1970, I would like to see the actual document you refer to. It seems to my recollection that there were no Islamic fundamentalists in 1970, and that Pakistan was at that time a secular state. I am afraid that the facts as you state them seem very unlikely.
66 posted on 06/01/2002 7:19:38 AM PDT by ABrit
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To: ABrit; Spar
Regarding the President Alija Izetbegovic's Islamic Declaration, first published in 1970, I would like to see the actual document you refer to. It seems to my recollection that there were no Islamic fundamentalists in 1970, and that Pakistan was at that time a secular state. I am afraid that the facts as you state them seem very unlikely.

The does not seem to be a complete text of the islamic Declaration on the internet, but the quotes that I cited are all over the place--on Serbian, Croatian, British, French, American, and other websites. You can get photcopies of the relevant pages (in "Serbo-Croatian") by contacting Peter Makara at http://www.srpska-mreza.com, if you don't mind getting them from a Serbian "disbeliever". The 1990 edition was published by Mala Muslimanska Biblioteka in Sarajevo, and tranlated into English and other languages. Several libraries that specialize in South Slavic materials also have copies, at least of the "Serbo-Croatian" edition.

As for whether there were islamic fundamentalists/supremacists in 1970--although there were none of the current wave of CIA-spawned jihadists, there have all throughout the history of islam been "fundamentalist" movements. Some well-known ones are the Almohads who conquered muslim Spain in the 12th century, and ended the "golden age" there, and the Madhist movement in Sudan in the 19th century.

More relevant are the 200-year-old Wahhabi movment in Saudi Arabia, and Khomeini and his movement, which was active in the West in the 1960s and 1970s, before taking power in Iran in 1979. Izetbegovic was in contact with at least the Iranians from an early time.

Izzie himself was part of another islamic supremacist movement in the 1940s, the Nazi/muslim movement founded by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini. The young Izzie fought for the Nazis in al-Husseini's thuggish Bosnian muslim units, and founded the Young Muslims (Mladi Muslimani) to carry on the islamic supremacist cause in Bosnia. The Young Muslims formed the core of Izzie's party, and of the "Bosnian" government, in the 1990s.

Their goal was always the formation of a "Bosnian" state--no matter how small--that could be dominated by muslims, and serve as a launching pad for the islamization of Europe. And it also became a base for attacks against America. The mirror image of Izzie's small Bosnia is of course Republika Srpska and probaly a Croat Herceg Bosna as well. The existence of these Christian ethnic enclaves is made necessary by Izzie's strategy, and is NOT the result of some mythical plot to create a "Greater Serbia"!!

As for Pakistan--its "secularism" has always been relative. Pakistan was created as a state for muslims who did not want to live together with Hindus and others in India. It is thus by design islamic supremacist. Pakistan has always had a legal system that is influenced by sharia, even when it has not fully implemented islamic law. (That is also true of many other islamic states such as Egypt.) Pakistan is far, far away in its laws, govenment, and customs from the only islamic country that is a secular state, Turkey. And it has always had an expansionist and warlike streak, which is now worse than ever!!!

67 posted on 06/05/2002 3:26:44 PM PDT by Honorary Serb
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To: Honorary Serb
Part of the reason I doubt what has been reported from Serb sources is the quote, "Izetbegovic had merely written works of political philosphy in which he speculated about the ethical basis for democratic government in an Islamic society and the position of Islam in the modern world. His writings contained no proposals to create an Islamic state in Bonsia-Hercegovina.", taken from above post, which in turn is written by ALAN F. FOGELQUIST. It seems to me that Fogelquist being neither a Serb, nor a Bosnian Muslim, has no axe to grind. Am I wrong?
68 posted on 06/05/2002 7:47:48 PM PDT by ABrit
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To: Honorary Serb
More from Fogelquist, written in 1996: "The current war in Bosnia-Hercegovina is essentially a Serbian war of aggression. It is an "ethnic" war onlly in the sense that the Serbian regime has deliberately used ethnic cleansing and mass killing as an instument to achieve its strategic objective of seizing territory for a Greater Serbia. The conflict is a continuation of the Serbian war of aggression against Slovenia and Croatia, which temporarily subsided in those countries but is re-igniting in Croatia."
69 posted on 06/05/2002 7:50:39 PM PDT by ABrit
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To: Honorary Serb
From the Indictment of MOMCILO KRAJISNIK and BILJANA PLAVSIC

47. On 12 May 1992, at the 16th session of the Bosnian Serb Assembly, Radovan KARADZIC announced the six strategic objectives of the Serbian People in Bosnia and Herzegovina. These objectives included (a) Establish State borders separating the Serbian people from the other two ethnic communities; (b) Set up a corridor between Semberija and Krajina; (c) Establish a corridor in the Drina river valley, that is, eliminate the Drina as a border separating Serbian States; (d) Establish a border on the Una and Neretva rivers; (e) Divide the city of Sarajevo into Serbian and Muslim parts and establish effective State authorities in both parts; (f) Ensure access to the sea for Republika Srpska. On the same day, these strategic objectives were promulgated in a Decision signed by Momcilo KRAJISNIK in his capacity as President of the Bosnian Serb Assembly.

THese decisions were made publicly in the Serb Assembly, they cannot be denied.

70 posted on 06/05/2002 8:00:23 PM PDT by ABrit
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To: ABrit; Spar
Part of the reason I doubt what has been reported from Serb sources is the quote, "Izetbegovic had merely written works of political philosphy in which he speculated about the ethical basis for democratic government [sic] in an Islamic society and the position of Islam in the modern world. His writings contained no [sic] proposals to create an Islamic state in Bonsia-Hercegovina.", taken from above post, which in turn is written by ALAN F. FOGELQUIST. It seems to me that Fogelquist being neither a Serb, nor a Bosnian Muslim, has no axe to grind. Am I wrong?

You're DEAD WRONG!!!! Here's a bio of Alan Fogelquist:

Since completing his Ph. D. in Modern Balkan and Comparative History at UCLA in December 1990, Alan F. Fogelquist has dedicated full time to research and analysis of the post communist conflicts in former Yugoslavia the former Soviet Union and international policies towards these regions. He has spoken at numerous public forums on the current situation in the Balkans and participated in conferences at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington D. C. and the Rand Corporation in Santa Monica, California. He has worked as a consultant on War Crimes for Helsinki Watch and provided consultation to members of the United States Senate and United States Congress and the Bosnian [sic] Mission to the United Nations. Alan Fogelquist is author of the monograph Handbook of Facts [sic] on the Break-up of Yugoslavia, International Policy and the War in Bosnia Hercegovina (Ann Arbor, Michigan: AEIOU Publishing, 1993) as well as several articles for scholarly publications and newspapers. He is currently writing a comparative study of conflicts arising from the breakup of the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia. Dr. Fogelquist has visited Bosnia-Hercegovina, Croatia, Kosova [sic! This is the Shiptar spelling of Kosovo], Macedonia and other areas of former Yugoslavia on several occasions. He lived in Sarajevo from 1981 to 1984. He has an excellent knowledge of Bosno-Croatian [sic! This terminology is truly SICK!], Spanish and Portuguese and a good working knowledge of Persian, Russian, Bulgarian, Slovenian, Macedonian, and French. Alan Fogelquist is currently a post-doctoral scholar in Modern Balkan and Comparative History at the University of California at Los Angeles, UCLA.

From his biography, he obviously has a BIG ax to grind!!!! He is a PAID AGENT of the New World Order (Rand Corporation, etc.), a professional "human rightser", and also a PAID AGENT of the muslim entity in Bosnia as well ("Bosno-Croatian" MY FOOT)!!!! This pseudo-intellectual whore makes his living by LYING for the NWO to cover up the real aims of their muslim thug allies!!!! I'm a pretty well-connected American, and I know people like this!!!!

It's these kinds of cover-ups of muslim aims, especially including muslims in Bosnia, that set us Americans up for Sept. 11th!!!! And as a Christian, I TOTALLY ABOMINATE his demonizing my Serbian brothers and sisters in Christ,and setting them up for mass murder and theft of their ancestral lands!!! So PHOOEY to Alan Fogelquist, and all others like him!!!!

71 posted on 06/05/2002 8:36:05 PM PDT by Honorary Serb
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To: ABrit; Spar
On 12 May 1992, at the 16th session of the Bosnian Serb Assembly, Radovan KARADZIC announced the six strategic objectives of the Serbian People in Bosnia and Herzegovina. These objectives included (a) Establish State borders separating the Serbian people from the other two ethnic communities...

The Serbian people have lived in Bosnia since at least medieval times, when Bosnia was undisputably a Serbian kingdom. After WWI, ALL OF Bosnia was awarded to Serbia by treaty. But the Serbs helped form the new kingdom of Yugoslavia.

When Bosnia seceded, and Izetbegovic reneged on the Lisbon agreement (for the peaceful cantonization of Bosnia), the Serbs--who had lived in Bosnia for over half a millennium--found themselves surrounded by hostile forces (the same hostile ustashe and musilm supremacist forces that massacred them in WWII). Especially in muslim areas, foreign mujehadin were brought in who slaughtered Serbian people, cut off their heads, roasted them alive, or impaled them!!!

Of course Serbs had to make a separation between themselves and these hostile forces. I would have done the same thing. It was no war crime, but SELF DEFENSE!!!

No Christian, anywhere in the world, should have to live under muslim supremacist rule!!!!

72 posted on 06/05/2002 8:48:46 PM PDT by Honorary Serb
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To: Honorary Serb
Well, it says, "He has spoken at numerous public forums on the current situation in the Balkans and participated in conferences at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington D. C. and the Rand Corporation", hardly a paid employee?
73 posted on 06/05/2002 8:52:10 PM PDT by ABrit
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