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U.S. Military Must Pay for Abortion
ABC NEWS ^ | June 1 | Associated Press

Posted on 06/01/2002 3:48:59 AM PDT by mdittmar

A federal judge has ordered the U.S. military to pay for the abortion of a fetus that was developing without a brain.

U.S. District Court Judge Nancy Gertner ruled Thursday that the government could not refuse to pay for the abortion on moral grounds. But the decision applies only to fetuses with anencephaly, a condition in which the baby has no brain and survives for only a few days.

The case involved Maureen M. Britell, whose husband was in the military when she had an abortion at New England Medical Center in 1994.

"I'm happy. I'm just hoping that it will stick," said Britell, a former Massachusetts resident who now heads Voters for Choice in Washington, D.C.

Britell was covered by the Civilian Health and Medical Program of the Uniformed Service, known as CHAMPUS. A 1970s law bans federal funding of most abortions, and CHAMPUS does not pay for abortions unless the mother's life is in danger.


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To: Lord Z
You display too much compassion for the defenseless, Z. Don't you know this blob of tissue has no worth?
61 posted on 06/01/2002 7:47:03 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: mdittmar
And the door creeks open just a little bit more.
62 posted on 06/01/2002 7:56:27 PM PDT by screed
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To: steve50
God Bless the Innocents from conception to natural death.
63 posted on 06/01/2002 7:57:32 PM PDT by RamsNo1
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To: screed
"And the door creeks open just a little bit more."

Perhaps you could get your speller to creak open,
when you're not to busy trying to run the lives of others.

64 posted on 06/01/2002 8:02:32 PM PDT by APBaer
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To: jude24
I'm as pro-life as any

Obviously you aren't.

but save your battles for the real problems. This isnt it.

There are few abortion related battles as important in this country as keeping our federal government from funding abortions. This is a precident in that battle. That's why this is news.

65 posted on 06/01/2002 8:04:05 PM PDT by abolitionist
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To: abolitionist
precedent
66 posted on 06/01/2002 8:05:15 PM PDT by abolitionist
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To: A Navy Vet
anencephaly, a condition in which the baby has no brain

This quote, taken from the article shows the ignorance of the judge and those who support his "logic". There was NO medical evidence that stated the baby "had no brain". The REAL definition of anencephaly is as follows:

congenital absence of all or a major part of the brain

in most cases these children have a significant amount of the brain remaining. They are treatable and can survive.

This is clearly stated in the post to which I directed you (#36).

67 posted on 06/01/2002 8:19:00 PM PDT by jimkress
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To: Always Right
These babies usually die shortly after birth. Maybe, you know more about this area than I do but I'm not so sure that it's safer to have a late term abortion than to deliver at term. Some of these parents choose to carry on and do organ donation when the baby dies. Some don't. My heart goes out to all of them. This lady handled her situation the way she felt was best. That (for now) is her right but I have rights too and shouldn't be forced to pay for someone elses abortion. People will find money for something they really want to do. Maybe organizations like planned parenthood could volunteer to help women in situations like this that decide to abort.
68 posted on 06/01/2002 8:20:26 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: jimkress
in most cases these children have a significant amount of the brain remaining. They are treatable and can survive.

Fair enough. Perhaps what is needed is an improvement in diagnosis and lexicon to distinguish those in which part of the brain is missing but that which remains is adequately functional from cases in which the portions of the brain necessary for survival (e.g. respiration etc.) are absent?

70 posted on 06/01/2002 8:38:05 PM PDT by supercat
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To: mdittmar
...and yet we pay for welfare mothers to breed for bucks... Can't we pay for a soldier's spouse who discovers herself in the painful position of carrying a child to term which has no way of possibly surviving more than a couple of days...and will have NO "LIFE" for those minutes here. Should she be expected to hold the child to term--as a constant and painful reminder of that which she has already lost?

I vote for my taxes to help the SOLDIER's WIFE out of a horrible position.

(I am aware of the "past-tense-ness" of this...but the precidence is current.)

71 posted on 06/01/2002 8:44:59 PM PDT by bannie
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To: bannie
Just MHO but i feel that every child has a place in this world and that there are no accidents. (even little ones on welfare). My husband and I were both raised in projects. We put each other thru school and are now both nurses. Lots of welfare babies become the tax payers you are talking about. If you want to decrease welfare look at getting Dads out of prisons and forcing them to be responsible for taking care of their families.
72 posted on 06/01/2002 8:57:22 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg
I believe that you are the exception to the rule...

NONE THE LESS: I do not appreciate having to pay for another family's support. IF I choose to assist another, I believe that it should come from me to those whom I chose. I believe in "helping hands," but I don't like the government snatching my hand away from me and shoving it over to hold up those who won't work!!!

WHEN I can help, I do...to the extent I know that I can...to those whom I believe deserve my help.

YOU MAY FEEL THAT YOU NEED TO "PUT SOMETHING BACK." GOOD FOR YOU. DO IT.

Meanwhile, I support my grandkids so that strangers aren't FORCED to do it WHILE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN FAMILIES TO SUPPORT.

73 posted on 06/01/2002 9:06:27 PM PDT by bannie
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To: bannie
See, that's exactly how I feel about abortion. If you want to use your money to help, it's your choice. But don't take my tax money and use it for something I strongly am against. This occurance in babies is very rare. I feel there is a bigger agenda here. Once we start it will snowball.
74 posted on 06/01/2002 9:16:55 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: anniegetyourgun
What happened to "every child a wanted child?" Does this imply the destruction of children who are unwanted? If society adheres to the ethic that the unborn child only has value when he is wanted, that ethic can easily be applied to small children. If the unborn has no value and it is all right to kill him, then it is defensible to kill children who have lost value because they are now unwanted. As children decline in value, it becomes easier to neglect and dispose of them. People do not harm what they highly value.
75 posted on 06/01/2002 9:19:02 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: abolitionist
There is no reason a baby like this can't be delivered naturally and be given the same chance everyone deserves.

There are many opportunities for these people with the US Government. The Postal Service immediately comes to mind.

76 posted on 06/01/2002 9:22:32 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: bannie
I hope that in your time of need others don't take the same position that you yourself champion. Strange process of self-destruction.
77 posted on 06/01/2002 9:23:10 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
In my times of need, my family has held me up...and in their times of need, I have held them up. In addition, I have donated to charities which I know to be "legitimate." I do so when I have given the "charity which begins at home" and have some left over.

I believe that you speak of a system in which lazy people can just opt out. They can lay down their tools and "take a break" on the backs of those who do NOT ride upon the theft of strangers (via welfare and taxation).

CHARITY...TRUE CHARITY...worked. BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT ROBBED US at figurative gunpoint IN THIS COMMUNISTIC/SOCIALISTIC MANNER--When a neighbor needed help, a community circled the wagons and righted things for that needy neighbor.

Everyone needs a helping hand on occasion...but for anyone to EXPECT others to feed their non-productive selves, is abhorent!

There is so much more to say on this...so many more examples and wrongs...but I tire of this. And I anger at the symplistic manner in which you view this theft of workers' hard earned means. Don't you REALIZE that what is DEMANDED AND RIPPED from us might be NEEDED by us!

78 posted on 06/01/2002 9:43:20 PM PDT by bannie
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To: abolitionist
The real problem is being missed in this thread. This case provides another vivid illustration of the imperial judiciary at work.

One judge has decided that she will decide what the scope of coverage of the CHAMPUS program is. Forget about the law passed by our elected officials [Congress].

We can all rest easy because Judge Nancy Gertner is now making decisions about the scope of CHAMPUS coverage. She wrote in her opinion:

I have concluded that there is no rational, legitimate state interest in denying coverage under these circumstances.

Judge Nancy Gertner has merely substituted her unelected, lifetime tenured opinion for that of the duly elected officials constitutionally authorized to make such decisions. All of you posting to this thread who support this decision are expressing support for flushing our FREE REPUBLIC down the toilet. The constitutional way to change the law is by getting a bill through Congress that is signed by the President.

If CHAMPUS didn't cover broken arms, does anybody believe that Judge Nancy Gertner would have held that CHAMPUS had a constitutional obligation to do so? Of course not. The case wouldn't have survived motions to dismiss it. This is merely Judge Nancy Gertner's way of expressing her opinion that the "constitional" right to slaughter an unborn child is more important than the Constitution itself.

Read her opinion yourself if you want to read what judicial "legislating" looks like:

http://pacer.mad.uscourts.gov/dc/opinions/gertner/pdf/britellsj.pdf

BTW, this case was defended by the Clinton administration (Sec. of Defense Cohen was a named defendant).

79 posted on 06/01/2002 9:44:21 PM PDT by Gee Wally
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To: abolitionist
"...that same logic can and has been used against the poor, the uneducated, and the non-white."

THE .... BODY .... HAS ..... NO ...... B*R*A*I*N.

FURTHER....
IT ..... WILL ...... NOT ....... LIVE ....... OUTSIDE ....... OF ........ THE ....... MOTHER's ....... WOMB!

(sheesh...next they'll want to force the mother to carry it for the rest of her life because TO GIVE BIRTH IS A DEATH SENTENCE!)

...is it just me????

80 posted on 06/01/2002 9:46:39 PM PDT by bannie
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