But in your answer to:
Did Faret and Wendell actually make it over to the cloud ?
All you did was reiterate word for word Faret and Wendell’s witness statement. Where are the hard facts (truths) such as radar data to show if they made it over to the cloud and at what time.
How can you verify the truth and accuracy of their statements:
This was about 5+ minutes after the explosion. We approached the black-gray smoke cloud on the west side. We were at 7700 feet and were at the top edge of the cloud. The cloud center was at 7500 feet. There were two small bumps upon it. There was no smoke or smoke trails above it. it was still lit up a little by the sun, clear above. There was a tornado like tail leaving the bottom of it leading down to the flames.It had a small arc in it as the winds gently moved the cloud NNW.
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especially with them stating the direction of the cloud moving opposite of the winds!!!!
From the NTSB final report Page 57 Table 3 . Winds aloft measured by a weather balloon launched from Upton, NY.
Altitude Wind Direction Wind Speed
Feet (from) in degrees knots
1000 270 12
2000 280 14
3000 285 17
4000 290 17
5000 303 19
6000 310 19
7000 315 17
8000 320 16
9000 330 12
10000 335 12
11000 320 12
12000 295 16
13000 290 16
14000 300 17
The winds were blowing from the west and northwest at ALL altitudes that any of the wreckage would have passed through. Any cloud or debris is going to be drifting East-Southeast.
Once again if Faret and Wendell got the movement of the cloud wrong how do you know that the rest of their statements are correct?
Oh yeah, Fudd...There were several questions in my post that demand answers from an EX-SPURT such as you purport to be, but you only responded to one with the same tired cut and paste bull$hite you've been forced to use over and over. What's-a-matter, pal? Your one-trick pony wearing out? Hmmmmm?
Altitude ... Wind Direction ... Wind Speed
(Feet) .... (in degrees From) ..... (Knots)
1000 ................. 270 ...................... 12
2000 ................. 280 ...................... 14
3000 ................. 285 ...................... 17
4000 ................. 290 ...................... 17
5000 ................. 303 ...................... 19
6000 ................. 310 ...................... 19
7000 ................. 315 ...................... 17
8000 ................. 320 ...................... 16
9000 ................. 330 ...................... 12
10000 ................ 335 ..................... 12
11000 ................ 320 ..................... 12
12000 ................ 295...................... 16
13000 ................ 290 ..................... 16
14000 ................ 300 ..................... 17
Tens of millions of people around the world originally suspected that Flight 800 was the victim of a missile shootdown because of the initial press reports of a fiery streak tracking to the place in the sky where a HUGE fireball [aka Massive Fireball or MF] then exploded. They did so because they assumed the huge fireball exploded where the 747 was flying [at 13,800 feet at 8:31:12].
ALL the "shootdown" tinfoil hats made that assumption
The report of witnesses Faret & Wendell was the first detailed report to be posted on the internet but by then the tinfoil hat witness report analyst wannabe's had so completely convinced each other that Flight 800 was a "shootdown" victim that it had destroyed their own objectivity so badly that they failed to notice that Faret & Wendell clearly indicated the the Massive Fireball explosion was below their own flight altitude of 8500 feet and proceded to tout them as their star "shootdown" witnesses.
Only when it was publicly pointed out to them in a posting to the LSoft Flight 800 Forum in August 1997 that Faret & Wendell had made it clear the Massive Fireball was below 8500 feet did the tinfoil hats begin to realize their blunder. Which you and some of the rest of them have since tried to cover up with your efforts to discredit Faret & Wendell.
It appears that Richard Hirsch made the 2 most notable efforts to discredit them.
The first was his second smoke cloud notion, the allegation being that the smoke cloud left by the Massive Fireball explosion - and the smoke trail it left as it fell to the sea - had blown away and that the smoke cloud and trail Faret & Wendell flew over to had thereafter formed from rising smoke from the surface flames. That's why you're now talking about the winds aloft. Did Hirsch ever ask them if they saw the smoke cloud and trail disappear and get replaced by a second smoke cloud and trail that arose from the surface flames as they flew toward it?
The second was Hirsch's just plain goofy allegation that airline pilot David McClaine saw the Massive Fireball explode at or near 13,800 feet. Did he ever ask McClaine what his best estimate of the falltime of the Massive Fireball flames to the surface was?
As in any incident, there was only ONE sequence of events in the Flight 800 disaster and ALL of the fiery events in the sky observed by the eyewitnesses clearly appear to have taken place far below 13,800 feet and long after 8:31:12 - in short, during the final stages of the crippled flight of TWA Flight 800, just as the NTSB has stated.
The timeline and location of the major events of the disaster was approximately as follows:
8:31:11 Intact and climbing 747 approaches 13,800 feet.
8:31:12 Initiating Event at 13,800 feet followed immediately by the commencement of the decapitation process.
8:31:47 explosion of Massive Fireball at 5500-7500 feet. The eyewitnesses contend that the Massive Fireball explosion was immediately preceded by the fiery streak.
8:31:55-8:31:57 splashdown of the Massive Fireball flames.
Source.
Notice the falltime of the Massive Fireball flames to the surface was approximately 8-10 seconds. Didn't witness Meyer say that he and his helicopter crewmates agreed at the time that the falltime was approximately 10 seconds? Isn't that a glaringly obvious impossibility from anywhere near 13,800 feet? Are you and some of the other tinfoil hats going to try to discredit him too - after touting him as a grizzled unflappable air combat veteran who knows what he saw?.
According to the NTSB Airborne Witness Matrix, ALL of the pilot witnesses who estimated the Massive Fireball explosion altitude gave estimates that were all compatible with Faret & Wendell's report - some of them estimating even lower altitudes. Are the tinfoil hats going to attempt to discredit ALL of them too?
How about The Sworn Testimony of FBI Chief Metallurgist William Tobin that there was no evidence of a missile shootdown or bomb in the recovered wreckage. The tinfoil hats have never been able to publicly produce any physical evidence to the contrary. Are they going to try to discredit Tobin too?
The "missile(s) shootdown" tinfoil hats have smeared thousands of Americans - including members of the U.S. military - by falsely accusing them of heinous crimes for nearly six years now without any supporting evidence.
All because of the erroneous assumption at the outset that the Massive Fireball explosion took place at or near 13,800 feet at 8:31:12.