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To: acehai
Acehai: "Since you've been sneaking and peeking at the Yahoo Groups TWA 800 board, why don't you let Fritz Meyer answer your misinformed question regarding what he said at the Witness group meeting".

"I saw a streak of light in the sky. I have no idea what it was. And my reaction when I saw it was, what the hell is that?"

"Here's Meyer's reply to my e-mail:

"TYPO = I saw a streak of light in the sky. I HAD no idea what it was. And my reaction when I saw it was, what the hell is that?"

World of difference, folks.

He had no way of knowing what it was at the time. It looked like a streak of light, and that's what he reported.

But he KNEW what ordnance looked like, and described it when the streak ended and after a space without seeing anything, further to the left, a hard explosion, military ordinance.

He admitted he had never seen the second explosion of "brilliant white light" before...It was totally new to him...

These explosions happened at TWA 800's altitude. The Massive Fireball was the LAST event to happen, further left, and lower down.

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Let's take a little closer look Acehai's rant.

" . . . sneaking and peeking at the Yahoo Groups TWA 800 board".

He's referring to a forum open to the public to read just as FreeRepublic is.

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"TYPO = I saw a streak of light in the sky. I HAD no idea what it was. And my reaction when I saw it was, what the hell is that?"

The "shootdown" tinfoil hats have no idea what the real significance of that statement by witness Meyer is. 1. When he saw the fiery streak, it did not look to him like the exhaust or trail or a missile, dispelling the tinfoil hats' allegations that it was obviously a missile in flight. 2. Experts want to know what witnesses actually saw - and separate those actual observations from the witnesses' conclusions after input from other sources. Which is referred to by experts as tainting input.

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But he KNEW what ordnance looked like, and described it when the streak ended and after a space without seeing anything, further to the left, a hard explosion, military ordinance.

If so, why did Meyer and his crewmates initially speculate that what they had seen was a MIDAIR COLLISION?

"In the first place we didn't know what we had. I think we speculated that we might've had a mid-air because we know from here a lot that aircraft from Easthampton Airport and Montauk Sky Portal and aircraft from west of here fly the beach, and they look at the mansions along the beach. And we know that it's very common to have aircraft flying at 1,000 to 2,000 feet, east and west, right at each other along this beach."

"It's very dangerous. It's all VFR traffic. It's unregulated. The only regulation at all occurs when they fly through the southern tip of a control zone. They'll call this tower for clearance through the control zone. They'll say, all right. I'm at 1,500 feet. And the tower will tell them, well, you got another guy westbound and he's at 1,500. So, why don't one of you change altitude. so -- Mid-airs are -- the potential is always there. It's a very dangerous situation. We thought we had one."
SOURCE.

The "Missile Witnesses" Myth
Major Meyer's Own Detailed Presentation of His Observations
FBI Chief Metallurgist Blows Whistle On Kallstrom's Wild Goose Chase

75 posted on 06/14/2002 5:31:02 PM PDT by Asmodeus
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To: Asmodeus
Acehai quoted the following:

"But he KNEW what ordnance looked like, and described it when the streak ended and after a space without seeing anything, further to the left, a hard explosion, military ordinance."

To which you asked:

"If so, why did Meyer and his crewmates initially speculate that what they had seen was a MIDAIR COLLISION?"

Asmodeus, there is a very simple explanation... these flyers were trying to assess (diagnose) a peculiar event... an event beyond their experience in the area they were flying.

In medicine, an old saying is applicable: "When you hear hoofbeats, look for horses, not zebras."

In this instance, they saw a streak of light, followed by an bright flash explosion. Their experience, in this flight area, is that it is filled with airplanes (horses) and that it would not be unreasonable to assume, initially, that what they had seen was a mid-air collision of two airplanes. They DID NOT expect to see a missile (a zebra) flying before their eyes. The first inclination is to fit observed data into expected norms. It is only upon reflection that a rarer diagnosis can be made... that the hoofbeats were from zebras and not horses... when the observations DO NOT FIT the expected normal scenario. In this instance, the streak of light followed by the bright flash of an ordnance explosion DID NOT FIT the mid-air collision scenario expected. To make that conclusion one must shift time and place and situation.

Flying on a warm evening evening off of Long Island, one DOES NOT EXPECT TO SEE an AA missile! One's mind must shift gears and paradigms to realize what actually was seen.

76 posted on 06/15/2002 2:13:34 AM PDT by Swordmaker
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