Posted on 06/02/2002 12:50:08 PM PDT by usconservative
Heard this last night and confirmed it today while @ church.
Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn Illinois (a suburb of Chicago) was recently under "surveillance" by several Muslim appearing men. It seems that these Muslim appearing-men were taping the parking garages, emergency room entrances, and indeed the Trauma Center of Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn just last week. When they were noticed by a Trauma Center Nurse (my contact) she immediately contacted Hospital Security.
Hospital Security pursued the Muslim appearing men can caught them with video records and digital cameras. A fight ensued, and the Muslim appearing men escaped. Hospital security cameras caught the incidence on tape.
The FBI was called and was on hospital premises within an hour. Tapes from security systems were seized for review, and an ongoing investigation has been occuring at Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn, IL over the past week. Witnesses report seeing Muslim appearing men walking hospital grounds and filming over the past several weeks.
The investigation is ongoing.
Citizens have to stop being concerned about being called racists or feeling stupid for reporting odd occurences. What is it going to take to protect our borders or at least form expanded versions of "Neighborhood Watches"? There is no way the government can be expected to protect all of us 24/7 and as scary as it sounds, we need to face it: "they" are still out there.
The Arabs of the Levant are much more varied in appearance than the others. One Zionist novelist, he wrote in one of his books about how the character gave up on judging by looks, after seeing too many blonde Palestinians and swarthy Jews from Germany. The Palestinians, in particular, go all the way from looking quite African, to being peachy-faced English types.
I agree about Bremerton & Whidbey, as some of the ships & planes that kicked their behinds in Op. Enduring Freedom are based there. But why West Seattle? The only thing I can think of is, if they nuked Bremerton we'd be exposed across the water, although we're far enough away that it wouldn't be significant unless it's a big boomer. OTOH, Western West Seattle is protected by a ridge from any explosions that would occur downtown or on the Eastside. (Just like we're "protected" from just about all local FM radio stations!)
W. Seattle is just a bedroom community. There aren't even any hospitals here. I'm finding it hard to think up a juicy target for a Muslim wacko. Maybe the W. Seattle Bridge.
That would make sense.
You're not the first person to notice that....LOL!
Got that right. They laugh at our stupidity while they watch our government drive it's citizens nuts.
My incident was in Atlanta last week. 4 Arabs, 2 with hand held cams taking pictures of tall buildings. Reported to 911, regular police line and FBI. I also posted a thread on it here but it got pulled last night for various reasons.
It's infuriating that these pigs are yanking our chains out in the open and nobody is doing a damn thing about it.
It was widely reported that Kathy Nguyen worked in a storage supply room in the hospital's basement, next to the mailroom. (Some sources say "near" rather than "next to" the mailroom.)
According to a BBC report, Nguyen occasionally handled the mail, although it wasn't her main job.
Care to explain that one? The US is filled with idiots who can't even tell whether someone is Middle Eastern or not; you have a magical ability to determine religion just from brief observation, if people aren't cooperative enough to pray while you're watching them?
You know, with all of this supposed surveillance going on, it's interesting to note that:
1) All of the Muslims and/or Arabs to have taken part in terrorist attacks on the US, within the US, in the history of the country, can be comfortably counted on the fingers and toes of 2-3 people.
2) In the last 9 months, there hasn't been a single successful, or known unsuccessful, terrorist attack by an Arab Muslim anywhere in the US. (Before people get pedantic, 1) The Shoe Bomber wasn't an Arab, 2) The kid with the airplane in Tampa was 1/4th Arab and there isn't a scrap of evidence he or anyone in his family is or was a Muslim 3) Those two amateurs arrested for allegedly planning to attack an armory in Florida were Pakistanis, not Arabs.)
An awful lot of supposed "surveillance" for no attacks at all. I suspect these surveillance threads are for people horribly disappointed there haven't been any more terrorist attacks in the US, to get their jollies. Got to be frustrating not to have a reason to bust out all of your photoshopped nuclear explosions over Mecca.
Not unlike the zillions of people reporting Japanese invasion fleets just off the coast all up and down the West Coast in 1941 and 1942.
Hi Seamole, can you index this for Usconservative? Thanks.
Just how gullible are the American people - very, it seems.
Of course, if he is doing all he can to fight it, then he or we are loosing.
Not only are they roaming around freely, they are freely still entering this country - 50,000 since 9/11 - wasn't it? Some to take flight lessons.
Those are the legal ones. How many just walked across the border. How many of us would know a middle easterner from a Mexican, by looking, I mean.
Also, we are sitting calmly by while our State Department is contemplating or already has created this Center for Understanding of Islam and Democracy (That may not be the correct title). They will be bringing even more into this country to sit down and well - study. Why can't we send the center over where they live. Can't they study there?
"Upon arrival, the Chechens stormed out of the trucks, killed a number of police and occupied the militia headquarters. The decision to move to the hospital was apparently made after a number of the Chechen rebels were wounded.24 Basayev would not abandon his men. Reaching the hospital, they sealed the exits. Approximately 1,500 patients, family members and medical staff were in the hospital, guarded by some 150 heavily armed Chechens. This was the beginning of an eight-day ordeal of terror, anxiety and surreal negotiations.
Realizing they could not flush the Chechens out of the hospital, the local authorities requested assistance. Regular army forces and internal troops rushed to the scene and set up a perimeter.25 Having secured their hostages, the Chechens stated their conditions: cessation of combat in Chechnya, withdrawal of Russian troops and entry into negotiations with Dudayev. At this point in the crisis, the Russian authorities would not even consider negotiating with the Chechen terrorists and developed plans to storm the hospital.
The tense wait continued. The Russians deployed a variety of special forces units to Budennovsk.26 More than once, Basayev threatened to kill hostages if the Russians attempted to storm the hospital. He positioned hostages along the windows to discourage the Russians from shooting.27 On 15 and 16 June, Basayev repeated Chechen demands and warned the Russians not to attack. Alongside the Russian military units, the Russian media flooded to Budennovsk, and soon the entire country was following the dramatic events.
The Moscow News reported, "Saturday, June 17th will go down in the annals of the struggle against terrorism as a day of folly, unprofessionalism of the military and the complete idiocy of their superiors. These are the most delicate expressions which we happened to hear there."32 At dawn and again at 2 p.m., Russian special forces attempted to storm the hospital. The results were gruesome: More than 100 hostages were killed. Who killed them-Russians or Chechens-is unclear. The Chechen and Russian soldiers also suffered some casualties. Between the two attacks, perhaps to illustrate he was not totally ruthless, Basayev released about 150 pregnant women and children. When their rescue attempts failed, Russian leaders quickly denied they had given any orders to attack.33
On day five of the crisis-Sunday, 18 June-the Russians began to seriously consider negotiating with the Chechens. In a surreal media event, the Russian prime minister conducted telephone negotiations with Basayev on live Russian television. Millions of Russians watched as Victor Chernomyrdin pleaded with the Chechen leader not to harm the hostages.34 Chernomyrdin finally agreed to Chechen demands to halt combat and begin peace negotiations.35
Basayev now faced a dilemma: how to return to Chechnya when he and his men were completely surrounded by the humiliated Russian security establishment, who considered him guilty of countless murders and other crimes. He was not about to take the prime minister at his word, because it was apparent Chermonyrdin did not control the "power" ministers. Negotiations continued through 19 and 20 June. To ensure safe passage, Basayev demanded that a number of "volunteer" hostages-mostly journalists and a number of Duma deputies-accompany the Chechens back to Chechnya.
It took some time for the Russians to assemble six buses and a refrigerated truck-to carry the bodies of the dead Chechen rebels. The convoy left Budennovsk 20 June but was forced to stop at the Chechen-Dagestani border when the Russian military commander refused to issue a written guarantee for the convoy's safe passage through Russian-held territory in Chechnya.36 The convoy was always surrounded by armed Russian personnel. After receiving a guarantee from the prime minister, the convoy entered Chechnya, and Basayev released the hostages in the mountain village of Zandak. Basayev and the Chechens celebrated this victory.
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