New book says Christians suffered most

The Guardian UK ^ | 6/04/02 | Rory Carroll in Rome

[BenF]

Yeah.....that'll be the day.

[Teacher317]

amid accusations that it minimises the Holocaust and demonises Islam

Islam demonizes itself with its actions... or as Forrest Gump would say, "Stupid is as Stupid does."

[BenF]

more Christians were killed in the past century than in the previous nineteen

How much of the killing in those 19 centuries was done BY Christians?

[JMJ333]

And for the purposes of decency, if I judged you unfairly I apologize. regards.

[Squawk 8888]

Of course, there were numerous Islamic, and non-American victims as well.

I guess they'd chalk that up to "collateral damage".[/sarcasm]

[LiteKeeper]

One unfortunate criticism of Christianity is the number of people killed by "religious" people. R.J. Rummel has written an amazing book called Death By Government. One review of the book on Amazon points out some of the statistics:

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The author puts in perspective and lays it down in numbers to really show the impact of democide or genocide. The numbers pre-20th century are about 130,000,000 and only the 20th century around an unbelievable 169,198,000. No one would have guessed such. Also, the Nazis are generally considered as the most repressive regime, but Stalin is clearly the most corrupt at 61,911,000. The litany of torture and murder is definitely difficult to read, but important to be made known.
The greatest contribution of the author is his observation that absolute power kills as obeserved through totalitarism. The more democratic the society, the less destruction. As he summarizes, "The way to end war and virtually eliminate democide appears to be through restricting and checking Power ie. through fostering democratic freedom"
Also it is interesting to note in democratic regimes, only 2,000,000 were killed, 159,000 of its own peoples? Still too many, but contrast that with totalitarian and communist regimes at 138,000,000; 103,000,000 of its own people. You draw your own conclusions.
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I hope this research, and the book mentioned in this thread will put to rest (I know, it won't) the totally unfounded criticism.

[MarMema]

Islam demonizes itself with its actions... or as Forrest Gump would say, "Stupid is as Stupid does."

BRAVO!!!

I recently said something quite similar about the chechen terrorists.

[weikel]

Muslims are killing all the non muslims they can I'm not religious but lets destroy Islam Deus Vult LOL.

[Tribune7]

The modern left is not and never was interested in "human dignity" or civil rights. It's reason for being is to find justification for the rejection of God and Christ.

[aruanan]

The author, Antonio Socci, claims the untold story of the 20th century is the murder of 45 million Christians, mostly at the hands of communist and Islamic regimes, and that massacres continue to this day.

Well, at least the Communists killed more people than anyone else during the 20th century, and the Muslims conquered more territory and wiped out more language/ethnic groups (in a shorter amount of time) than any other religion.

[JMJ333]

How much of the killing in those 19 centuries was done BY Christians?

Not many. Some occured, of course, during the Protestant revolt, but that is nothing compared to the reality of the past 100 years. For the most part, the wars waged against Islam incurred christiandom the most casualites, but it still dwarfs the numbers cited in the recent past.

[LarryLied]

For information or if you would like to help--they need political support, information from victims and their families as well as donations--click on image:

[luvzhottea]

The persecution of any religious group must be acknowledged and it must be stopped. I think America insults, attacks, and demonizes its own citizens of the Christian faith through the mainstream media and so-called entertainment.

[Spar]

Including the butchering of Serbs in Kosovo. The Christian community in Kosovo has been beheaded and gutted out thanks to NATO's little helpers the Muslim Albanians (a people whose kleadership happen to embrace both Islamic fundamentalisim and Maoist Marxism).

Catalog of churches destroyed and desecrated by Albanian extremists in Kosovo and Metohia (June-October 1999)

[Spar]

One example: THE HOLY TRINITY MONASTERY, Musutiste, near Suva Reka

The Monastery of the Holy Trinity was built in the 14th century on the Rusinica hill above Musutiste, 2 km to the south. In the valuable collection of manuscripts from 14 th to 18 th century there were a Book of Commemoration from 1465 and a hand-written Gospel from the 14 th century. The monastery also had a collection of icons from the 19th century -- 1868-1985.

The Holy Trinity Monastery before destruction

Bishop Atanasije and Fr. Kingsley Joyce (British KFOR) visited the monastery 7 days before it was completely destroyed by Albanians

A nun in front of the destroyed church

The residental quarters for nuns

The view of the destroyed church and the burned residental quarters

Desecrated monastic cemetery

In the second half of June 1999, after the German KFOR troops deployed in the area, Albanian extremists vandalized this holy place and plundered the valuables. Between 10th and 17th July they dynamited the monastery church so that it is now completely destroyed. The monastery konak (residential quarters) was previously burned to the ground. The valuable library, and its icons, disappeared in the flames and wreckage. The church was obviously destroyed by explosive used by experts with military training.

[BenF]

Not many.

The Crusades, the Inquisition, the genocide committed against the Native Americans....I could go on, but I'm sure you get the idea. My question was obnoxious and completely out of line given the subject of the thread. However, your response simply isn't true.

[BenF]

I apologize for my posting of last night. Unfortunately, I was in a foul mood and took it out on you. I understand your bitterness.

[BenF]

I apologize for my posting of last night. My post was obnoxious and out of line with the subject of the thread. I should not have asked it. I hope you can forgive me.

[Diverdogz]

Christianity is 'trashed' in the media here for the combination of three factors. First, Christianity is unquestionably the dominate, majority religion in the US. Secondly, our first amendment freedoms allow people to express their opinions whether they are popular or not. The government isn't supposed to harrass you about it. Thirdly, unlike Muslims, Christians are not likely to put out a death contract against you for uttering disparaging remarks.

Now, I'll exercise my freedom of speech and make a comment about this entire thread - I find it ironic that a group of supposedly conservative people are trying to build a case to support their victimhood status, especially when most have never personally encounterd threats directed at themselves because of their religious affiliation.

[LarryLied]

The point is to shove what they did in the face of the left. For decades they have suppressed history.