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How Forums Are Being Taken Over By Pro-Arab Groups, Who Flood The Forums With Hate Propaganda
Ha'aretz ^ | June, 5, 2002 | Mary Sagi-Maydan

Posted on 06/05/2002 3:36:46 AM PDT by the_second_moon

PALO ALTO – When he discovered anti-Israeli propaganda in an Internet site devoted to baking bread, Doron Gal was dumfounded. It would seem that Islamic and anti-Israeli forces discovered the world wide web long before Israelis did, and they are running a well-oiled machine to create public opinion in cyberspace. For such purposes, a site on making cookies is just as good as a political vehicle.

Asked why such groups infiltrate non-political sites, Gal, a doctor in geophysics and a co-founder of the startup DigiGroups, explains that like movie stars – bad publicity is better than no publicity at all. Even if other participants in the forum ask them to change the subject, it takes time until their claims drop to the bottom of the screen. Meanwhile, people see them and take in the message.

"They have set criteria by which to choose sites," Gal says: sites that can boast heavy surfer traffic, or that are popular with younger people, because the young tend to be more radical. And, of course, sites devoted to political debate.

Moreover, they have clever ways to promote their agenda. For instance, the writer could claim that he can’t concentrate on baking bread because his uncle in Bethlehem was just killed by Israelis. That attracts attention.

Only after Gal had visited several sites over several days did he cotton on. It can't be that every time somebody starts to break the eggs into his bread dough in Palestine, his uncle gets killed. Something methodical was going on. The following sentence, after mentioning the uncle's demise, would take a more militant tone, for instance a description of how Israelis murder babies and sell their organs.

The hate-drenched lies appear in thousands of sites. Googling for "intifada" leads to some 50 pro-Palestinian sites, and barely two or three pro-Israeli ones. That is because Google's technology leads to the most popular sites. Popularity is measured, in part, by the number of links to the site on Internet. The Palestinian sites link to one another, and Google identifies them as outstandingly popular.

Methodology of disseminating hate

The Islamicist extremists are cunning in their exploitation of the electronic media, , Gal admits. One method is for several activists to log on to a forum or chat room together, and discourse between them. One raises the claim about Israelis selling body parts of murdered Palestinians. When the argument turns tense, another comes in ostensibly holding more moderate views – making the other chatters feel he is objective.

"It is very hard for a private individual to handle this kind of propaganda on the Internet," Gal says. If the situation is to be amended, it has to be handled in an organized fashion.

"When I realized how serious the situation is, given my experience in Internet communities (through his startup DigiGroups), I decided I want to undertake the mission. I don't see myself as a propagandist and don't see it as a career. But I know what has to be done and how to return war."

Gal, 37, is at a good time in his life to undertake the job. His startup was sold in a stock swap. Given the tough market he'd be better off looking for a new job right away, but as an Israeli who cares – he feels compelled to tackle this mission first.

Doron Gal founded digiGroups in 1999 together with Uri Sarid and Eran Liron. The company created a web-based platform for building business communities. Gal says he was less attracted by the hope of making millions, and more by the opportunity to be at the fore-front of technological advance, and to create something big of use to people. Back then, he says wryly, naivete was okay. The three ex-academicians thought they were joining a brand new world –mistakenly, of course.

Anyway, they managed to raise $14 million for their startup, settled for unusually low salaries (for that time) and settled down to work very, very hard. At its peak the company boasted 40 employees, but it targeted vertical marketplaces, which turned out to be a bad move. As its market dried up, the company started to seek new angles, Gal tells.

"It isn't easy to take a glove and find it a new hand," he says. The company adapted its product to big enterprises. But the sector, and Internet, were at a nadir. The venture capital funds figured it would take ages to return their investment, and when digiGroups got a takeover offer – they pushed, and it bit. Despite prior understandings, the buyer, Noosh, cut the staff in half and Gal too found himself on the sidewalk, holding a block of Noosh shares, living in an expensive neighborhood with his wife Michal and two kids, and with no salary.

Seduced by Internet propaganda

It may not have gone public, but digiGroups brought Doron Gal to the world of Internet communities.

"I noticed that several big forums in which hundreds of thousands of people participate are being taken over by anti-Israeli and pro-Arab groups, who flood the forums with hate propaganda," Gal says. "If you consider that in the U.S. alone, 134 million people are linked to Internet, and half of them actively participate in all kinds of groups, you see that the impact of such propaganda can be enormous."

"The deeper I probed, the graver the things I uncovered," he continues. "A typical story might run like this.

'Here's proof there never were gas chambers (in the Holocaust – the writer links to several sites). 'It's a bunch of Jewish lies to divert attention from their massacres of Palestinians.' (More links.) 'The Jews aren't strategic allies. All the States needs is oil, but it supports the Jews because they control Congress and the media. (More links to prove his case.)

"I sat down to reply at length, to refute his case," Gal says. "I showed that the links were misleading. In retrospect, I realize I was amateurish. When you encounter such claims for the first time, it takes ages to prove they're fatuous. Meanwhile tons of people have seem them and the debate has changed subject. The key is that the answer has to come fast.

"The more experience I gained, the more I understood the need for fast, catchy answers. It isn't just a war over opinions, it's a propaganda war. Sometimes the answer needs to be clear and informative, sometimes just a disparaging comment like 'Don't you get tired of writing that crap? Go fly a plane into a skyscraper.'

"It's a war, and we're coming to it too little, too late. The assumption is that they have hundreds of thousands of activists and about 10 to 20 times as many inactive supporters, meaning, millions. They are well organized, they have access to easy, convenient-to-use information, and they are trying to delegitimize Israel by rewriting the history of the Arab-Israeli conflict.

Results in half a year

"The war isn't lost," Doron Gal declares. There are pro-Israeli groups that produce solid information, but their efforts are too scattered and purely pathetic compared with the smooth operation of the anti-Israeli groups.

DigiGroups taught Gal the power of Internet communities, in which leaders wield tremendous clout. "I believe we can round up several hundred volunteers, including Israelis with good command of English. Our purpose is to support our activists, and organize material and technology allowing efficient use of Internet for them." The idea would be to insert replies within seconds to hate-propaganda on websites.

Gal believes that organizing and training people will take a few months. Results should become evident within half a year. He needs $580,000 to make it happen, a fraction of the cost of big ad campaigns.

"As a family man and father to two children, I should have started looking for a job right away," he admits. "My wife Michal hates uncertainty." But a cause is a cause and Gal is confident the money for the anti-anti-Israel campaign can be found, enabling him to devote all his attention to the project.

And if it can't? He'll have to take a day job, and devote his evenings, weekends and holidays to the cause. "It may not be efficient," he realizes, "but I'd rather fight the war with one hand tied behind my back, than not fight at all."


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arabs; forums; hate; israel; propaganda
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To: mhking
Venom? You ain't seen venom yet. I got a place that sells this stuff by the case! (And it tastes better than Red Bull, too!)

Hey, where do you get that stuff? Looks like something I need. (BTW, anything tastes better than Red Bull!)

61 posted on 06/05/2002 8:07:40 AM PDT by northernwilson
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To: meyer
I've got two words for Lyer's den as well, but I'll not repeat them in this forum. LOL
A picture can say a thousand words...

Maybe not your particular words of choice, but I get the feeling the sentiment would be the same.
62 posted on 06/05/2002 8:15:10 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: faintpraise;veronica;Sabramerican
Lion Den Dan's comment about 'mindless support', whether you agree or disagree with it, was not ad hominem. It was an assertion, not a personal attack.

Welcome, "newbie!" I'm Astonished a passin pilgrim from Kudzu Flats would give us faintpraise.

Yes, it WAS a personal attack.

63 posted on 06/05/2002 8:19:32 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: northernwilson
Jones Soda (http://www.jonessoda.com/) makes it and sells it in different places 'round the country. But if you can't find it (or if you want it by the case), go to ThinkGeek.com -- they sell all sorts of goodies like that (including Jolt Espresso Cola; the world's strongest beverage). Their price on a case of 24 cans of WhoopAss is $39.99.
64 posted on 06/05/2002 8:20:46 AM PDT by mhking
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To: philman_36
I prefer the Beastie Boys' version: the airplane on their first album had the registration code 3MTA3.
65 posted on 06/05/2002 8:20:48 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: northernwilson
Is this specific enough for you- any supporter of the terrorist groups called "the Palestinian people" or the Islamaniacs acting on the views of Mad Mo (piss be upon his head) is not only my enemy, but the enemy of the United States and the human race.

I deal with facts and those are the facts.

66 posted on 06/05/2002 8:24:51 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: Poohbah
A "factoid"...When held up to a mirror so that you are able to read it backwards in the mirror, it should be easy to read the words 'EAT ME'. Many claim that the MTA also has significance as to where the Beastie Boys went to school when they were younger, Yeshiva University High School for boys (a/k/a MTA), a private Jewish school in Washington Heights.

Licensed To Ill

I'm not too familiar with the Beasty Boys so I had to look that one up.

67 posted on 06/05/2002 8:29:32 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: philman_36
I didn't know the part about the Yeshiva.

"NO...SLEEP...'TIL BROOKLYN!"

69 posted on 06/05/2002 8:33:32 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: faintpraise
You're a five-day wonder on this forum. Are you a member of the tag-team the article was referring to?

Leni

72 posted on 06/05/2002 8:39:11 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Yark! Now it's getting worse....you can keep her...
73 posted on 06/05/2002 8:39:38 AM PDT by Tennessee_Bob
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To: faintpraise
We can judge who is flooding this forum with hate propaganda. It isn't pro-Arab groups.

Mainly because they get caught out and deleted as the disruptors they are. So, what other screen names have you been posting under, or are you going by your five days of experience??

74 posted on 06/05/2002 8:44:06 AM PDT by Tennessee_Bob
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To: B Knotts
I guess Christians and Jews weren't enough of an enemy for this guy.

All infidels are hated, we should all stick together as fellow infeidels.

75 posted on 06/05/2002 8:49:08 AM PDT by NeoCaveman
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To: E Rocc
Even someone who supports Israel can be accused of being a PLO supporter or even "anti-semetic" if they criticize the actions of the current Israeli government or :gasp: claim that Israel can't always be trusted.

A huge mistake. The name calling worked in the past but not on the internet. One can check and see if the words match the actions. And they don't. Lots of double standards and shading or ignoring of history when it comes to Israel.

76 posted on 06/05/2002 8:55:29 AM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Always Right
Lion Den Dan is an anti-Semite straight up. His use of the term "Zionist" rather than Israeli was the first tip off. To him, Jews deserve what they get at the hands of the Palestinians, hence his unquestioning belief in whatever line the Moslems feed him.
77 posted on 06/05/2002 9:29:58 AM PDT by Junior
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To: RabidBartender;
It could very easily be read as labeling anyone who strongly supports Israel as 'mindless'. I read it as an broad insult, as did several of the respondants.

I don't read it that way, though I respect your right to politely disagree. Other posters, who choose to express their opinions with personal abuse, are not worthy of any response.

78 posted on 06/05/2002 9:31:46 AM PDT by faintpraise
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Those look like they hurt. They look rock hard.

Boom, ba, ba,ba, boomba!

79 posted on 06/05/2002 9:39:25 AM PDT by MotleyGirl70
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To: northernwilson
Well, are you going to provide some factual criticism of Israel or not?
80 posted on 06/05/2002 9:42:58 AM PDT by Ajnin
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