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Coast Guard warns of terrorist threat in Puget Sound
KING-TV Seattle ^ | 6.9.02

Posted on 06/08/2002 9:07:51 PM PDT by mhking


Coast Guard warns of terrorist threat in Puget Sound
06/08/2002
The Associated Press


SEATTLE - The Coast Guard warned Saturday evening of a potential terrorist threat to “maritime interests” around Puget Sound.

“Based on information received across the U.S. Government, there is a credible threat to maritime interests from swimmers and divers,” Lt. Scott Casad of the Coast Guard Marine Safety Office Puget Sound said in a release.

He said the Coast Guard had told local port officials and maritime business owners to be on guard for suspicious activity.

No further details on possible targets or what triggered the warning were released. Casad did not immediately return a phone call Saturday evening.

The warning followed one from FBI national headquarters on May 23 that “various terrorist elements have sought to develop an offensive scuba diver capability.”

FBI agents have been questioning scuba diving instructors in Washington and around the country about any suspicious activity, including students interested in learning about underwater demolition.

Also, the Washington State Patrol last week was making random vehicle searches at public ferry terminals. The searches were done on the advice of the Washington State Ferries Security Committee, made up of staff from the Coast Guard, State Patrol and ferry system.

The Coast Guard’s Casad asked Saturday that any suspicious maritime activity be reported to the Coast Guard Marine Safety Office Puget Sound, at (206) 217-6230 or 1 (800) 688-6664.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: portsecurity; pugetsound; seaportsecurity; seattle; terror; threat; warning
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1 posted on 06/08/2002 9:07:51 PM PDT by mhking
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To: A Navy Vet;CIAPilot
Coast Guard Auxiliary Members PING
2 posted on 06/08/2002 9:11:57 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: mhking
OK, I'm really confused now. There were 2 experts (ex Seals or something) on Fox News who said that it was extremely improbable terrorists would attempt an underwater/scuba attack because of all the difficulties involved. They said other methods of attack were much easier to accomplish. So, what is this all about?
3 posted on 06/08/2002 9:13:42 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: mhking;All
United States Coast Guard role under the new Department of Homeland Security proposal.

In order to secure our nation’s territorial waters, including our ports and waterways, the Department would assume authority over the United States Coast Guard, which would maintain its existing independent identity as a military organization under the leadership of the Commandant of the Coast Guard. Upon declaration of war or when the President so directs, the Coast Guard would operate as an element of the Department of Defense, consistent with existing law.

The U.S. Coast Guard is charged with regulatory, law enforcement, humanitarian, and emergency response duties. It is responsible for the safety and security of America’s inland waterways, ports, and harbors; more than 95,000 miles of U.S. coastlines; U.S. territorial seas; 3.4 million square miles of ocean defining our Exclusive Economic Zones; as well as other maritime regions of importance to the United States.

The Coast Guard has command responsibilities for countering potential threats to America’s coasts, ports, and inland waterways through numerous port security, harbor defense, and coastal warfare operations and exercises. In the name of port security specifically, the Coast Guard has broad authority in the nation’s ports as “Captain of the Port.” Recently the Coast Guard has worked to establish near shore and port domain awareness, and to provide an offshore force gathering intelligence and interdicting suspicious vessels prior to reaching U.S. shores.

4 posted on 06/08/2002 9:14:46 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: mhking
including students interested in learning about underwater demolition.

Bridges, I wonder?

5 posted on 06/08/2002 9:14:48 PM PDT by conservative cat
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To: mhking
What is with the Seattle area? The one Muslim idiot was caught with the explosives trying to get from Canada over to Seattle area. And now this. One has to wonder if there is a support cell in the local area. Time to sniff around and see who runs.
6 posted on 06/08/2002 9:15:27 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: mhking
Here's hoping any nefarious diver gets chewed up by a ferry boat ... Islamic crab food.
7 posted on 06/08/2002 9:15:47 PM PDT by AngrySpud
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To: Pining_4_TX
Before 9/11 hijacking four planes simultaneously and flying two of them into targets together would have been thought improbable, too.
8 posted on 06/08/2002 9:17:24 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: All
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9 posted on 06/08/2002 9:17:27 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Snow Bunny
PING
10 posted on 06/08/2002 9:19:14 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: mhking
The warning followed one from FBI national headquarters on May 23 that “various terrorist elements have sought to develop an offensive scuba diver capability.”

Not to mention potential kayak based attacks. The only way to stop these fiends is marshall law. Our role as globocop is being threatened, major corporate interests could be damaged.

11 posted on 06/08/2002 9:21:10 PM PDT by UnBlinkingEye
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
I thought of you immediately when I heard this reported on Fox News tonite. I couldn't remember your exact location. Are you near Pudget Sound?

Stay safe, Buddie,,, we like you alot around here.

12 posted on 06/08/2002 9:21:34 PM PDT by Iowa Granny
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To: mhking
This is so lame they are probably looking for a new fleet of boats equipped with anti scuba stuff, it must be condition lavendar up there or something, the whole thing sounds kind of stupid what are the terrorists gonna blow up Daves Marina. Fly a jet into the Space Needle?
13 posted on 06/08/2002 9:24:35 PM PDT by claptrap
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To: pepsionice
There are terrorist cells all over the nation, not just in the Seattle area. They are just waiting for the right time to attack.
Deportation of all of them would be nice.
14 posted on 06/08/2002 9:25:47 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: CedarDave
Well, if it were just an average person's opinion, I would agree with you, but these 2 men (as I said, both were ex special ops guys) said that it would take too many hours of training and too much expertise and equipment for these terrorists. In fact, they said they thought these men had begun scuba training but abandoned it when they saw how difficult it would be to attack using this method. Both experts said it is much easier to blow a bridge or something by hijacking a fuel truck.
15 posted on 06/08/2002 9:26:51 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: Iowa Granny
"Are you near Pudget Sound?"

I stand my Radio Watches at the Coast Guard base in Coos Bay OR which is the 7th largest port on the West Coast.
Puget Sound would be a couple hundred miles north.
BOTH are part of the 13th Coast Guard District.
16 posted on 06/08/2002 9:33:53 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: CedarDave
Yeah. Bridges, highways and dams would be likely targets.
It takes forever to secure funds and then finish those projects.
17 posted on 06/08/2002 9:37:52 PM PDT by jwalburg
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To: seattle,
tyson eats muslim canvas bump
18 posted on 06/08/2002 9:39:08 PM PDT by RIGHT IN SEATTLE
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To: ladyinred
Think of the attack on the USS Cole launched against a huge passenger ferry
19 posted on 06/08/2002 9:39:17 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: Libertina,cmsgop
ping for my buddies
20 posted on 06/08/2002 9:46:38 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: mhking
Oh, great....I live over the Port of Tacoma....., but the person I think should be most worried are those who live near Bill Gates, on Lake Washington (and there are a couple of bridges to the City of Seattle which are crammed during weekdays).....we have water EVERYWHERE here, folks.....everywhere.
21 posted on 06/08/2002 9:47:29 PM PDT by goodnesswins
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To: bigern, wphile, gretchenee
ping
22 posted on 06/08/2002 9:48:06 PM PDT by goodnesswins
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To: anniegetyourgun
FYI
23 posted on 06/08/2002 9:48:42 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: ValerieUSA
For regular FReepers, this is old news. Reports of ME-looking men trying to buy rebreathing equipment in Florida surfaced on FR a week and a half ago...
And the attempt to purchase kayaks in the LA area was reported when, Thursday?
They're out there and they're looking for a spectacular target (I would).
24 posted on 06/08/2002 9:50:57 PM PDT by HiJinx
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To: goodnesswins
we have water EVERYWHERE here, folks.....everywhere.

How close does "water" get to Boeing Field?

25 posted on 06/08/2002 9:51:09 PM PDT by mhking
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To: goodnesswins
Thx for the info.
26 posted on 06/08/2002 9:53:45 PM PDT by GretchenEE
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To: mhking
Boeing Field is between the Duwamish River (close) and Lake Washington - (a mile plus, I'd guess).....It's also south of Harbor Island, which is the major port in Seattle on South Puget Sound (about 3 miles, I'd guess).....and then there is the Univ of WA which is ON water (Montlake Cut)....and the city of Seattle and Tacoma sit on water too....like I said....we have water everywhere here.
27 posted on 06/08/2002 9:55:20 PM PDT by goodnesswins
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To: AngrySpud
I suppose they could drop them off the Space Needle and see how high they bounced. . . or maybe how fast they could run in front of the monorail? Maybe coat them only in pig fat and drop them off at the nearest "gay" club.
28 posted on 06/08/2002 10:00:08 PM PDT by Quix
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To: goodnesswins
well cheers! Better a scuba alert than handing out potassium iodide pills, I always say.
Course that case of stolen immigration stuff in Tacoma last week didn't make me feel all that great...
But then we're out Auburn/Enumclaw way so we don't have that much water here. The Green River probably doesn't count.
29 posted on 06/08/2002 10:02:52 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: mhking
"Muslims should continue to be afraid, very afraid of the consequences of any further crap the world has to take from them."
--amstaff1

30 posted on 06/08/2002 10:11:44 PM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: MarMema
No....you just have to worry about Mt. Rainier blowing up...LOL - gee, shouldn't give them any ideas....
31 posted on 06/08/2002 10:12:18 PM PDT by goodnesswins
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To: Pining_4_TX;harpseal;Squantos;wardaddy
Let me, a former frogman, put in my $0.02 worth.

A scuba attack is not that hard to master, depending on the water. In very cold water with swift currents it's a b!tch. In calmer water, it would be no sweat. But I still don't think that an underwater scuba attack would be the first choice, it's just not neccesary to attack underwater!

Sure, to attack a Soviet sub base in 1975, that might call for mini subs and no-bubble rebreather rigs, and the skills of say, SEALs. But in the USA in 2002, forget all that, even today our maritime security is virtually nonexistant where it counts.

Think surface swimmers and kayaks. A surface swimmer with only his black painted face out of the water, swimming on his back using only his fins, is VERY hard to see. Stay in the shadows, get under the docks, it's easy. Tow in a neutrally bouyant 55 gallon drum filled with the demo of your choice, I'll leave the rest to your imagination, only in case some stupid rag hasn't already considered it.

Historical note: the British SBS was born in WW2 when Blondie Hasler led a half dozen two man kayaks way up the Girone River in France right under the noses of the Nazis and sank several large ships pierside. Just black painted kayaks, that's all it takes to get alongside a ship with enough demo to sink it.

I could go to any Boy Scout summer camp and get 20 kids capable of sinking most of our fleet at the dock in Norfolk or San Diego in one night. They would need a month of training and a few thousand dollars for equipment.

32 posted on 06/08/2002 10:28:42 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
Thanks, Travis.....we really appreciated that....LOL...you make it sound so EAAASSSSYYYYY....
33 posted on 06/08/2002 10:32:05 PM PDT by goodnesswins
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To: goodnesswins
I am sorry to report that even a couple of screwballs like the 9-11 crowd could do it easily.

MUCH easier than flying 757s.

34 posted on 06/08/2002 10:42:05 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: pepsionice
Under Clinton's watch, I telephone the Seattle FBI when I was contacted by Islamic terrorists. Nobody returned my call.
35 posted on 06/08/2002 10:43:27 PM PDT by RipeforTruth
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To: richard axtell
PING
36 posted on 06/08/2002 10:44:31 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: Pining_4_TX
Tex,
These people spent years of their life going to flight school learning to accurately fly jumbo jets! They may be idiots and murderers, but they do have patience and a flair for pulling off the wholly improbable and unexpected.
37 posted on 06/08/2002 10:44:36 PM PDT by LikeLight
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To: goodnesswins
In a large country where people have never had to be observant to survive, and who live in target-rich environment which has blissfully slept behind its coasts for generations ... it is easy to do a lot of things unobserved. It's even easy to do a lot of dangerous things in plain view, since people tend to overlook the obvious or are reluctant to inquire. Targets on land or sea are absolutely limitless. They don't have to be big. People are going to have to pay more attention instead of walking around all glassy-eyed.
38 posted on 06/08/2002 10:47:51 PM PDT by piasa
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To: piasa
Funny you mention being observant....I saw these two guys a couple days in a row sitting in front of MY Starbucks, obviously watching people go in and out.....and one day acting weird....so I pulled out my trusty little throwaway camera and took their picture, (including license plate) and they knew it - haven't seen em since....
39 posted on 06/08/2002 10:52:10 PM PDT by goodnesswins
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Coast Guard Auxiliary Members PING

BUMP that!
40 posted on 06/08/2002 10:59:35 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: mhking
Meanwhile, our incompetent federal government is probably looking for 80-year old grannies renting SCUBA gear.
41 posted on 06/08/2002 11:00:05 PM PDT by Mulder
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To: piasa
Yep this is true. BE OBSERVANT!

We just got word of pipe bombs planted on the Capitola, CA esplanade. Everyone is evacuated.

Someone was observant and saved lives!
42 posted on 06/08/2002 11:03:53 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: sleavelessinseattle
FYI
43 posted on 06/08/2002 11:29:53 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Hey GUNS...Thanks! we're firing up the looney bin thread again...But I need to digest this local stuff...good ping
44 posted on 06/08/2002 11:37:22 PM PDT by sleavelessinseattle
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To: pepsionice
I think the main nexus of support was in Canada...they found evidence of cooking and interlocking communications channels amongst the mild mannered Upers...If anybody missed the Peggy noonan article on THE OTHER SHOE, Its on my profile and reminds us that we are still vulnerable...the smallpox angle just chills me to the bone...none of the kids have any immunity...gruesome image...stay sharp Freepers.
45 posted on 06/08/2002 11:43:08 PM PDT by sleavelessinseattle
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To: CedarDave;Pining_4_TX
There are times when i wonder if terrorist groups, some of the people we have in the detention centers, and even some pranksters out there are not churning out false info. The terrorists and detainees may be doing it to saturate the authorities with tasks that exceed their capabilities (aftre all there is only a finite number of things the Feds can do), and maybe the objectives of the pranksters is a laugh from seeing their 'threat' get printed on the morning paper as a 'federal warning.'

I guess the main problem the Feds are facing is the trade-off between just concentrating on 'credible threats,' and the risk of refusing to follow a certain 'ludicrous' threat, and that threat becomes a reality (eg before 9-11 the events that happened that morning would have been classified as 'highly improbable').

Let's just say that the FBI is finding itself under such a punitive work load that i doubt it will even be able to deal with what we can now call 'normal' crime like kidnappings and big-style theft! And with all these 'threat' flying left right and center there is a chance they will be so inundiated with 'leads' that the real one may penetrate their over-loaded dragnets!

And that will lead to another cycle of 'why did you not know?' Saddening!

46 posted on 06/09/2002 12:34:32 AM PDT by spetznaz
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To: Travis McGee
Scary....I don't see an easy way to protect military or civilian floating assets right off the top of my head other than to try to break our enemies will to fight..do you?

My experience with merchant ships at night is that they are dark unwieldy leviathans quite vulnerable to anyone with the cajones and the knowledge.

47 posted on 06/09/2002 12:45:46 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: UnBlinkingEye
I onyl have one problem with Martial Law. Would you be willing to see it enforced indefinitely, since the threats are notgoing to dissipate! The Martial Law would be in effect for a very long time if its intention is to protect the USA from attacks and other nefarious activity.

And the other problem i have with Martial Law is that the terrorists would have won! How? The reason is that one of their objectives is to alter the American way of life, and the application of Martial Law would deny us of many of the things that make America America. We would become a police state.... a virtual Iran (without the theocracy) with scores of secret police runnign around telling us what to do, and having to deal with curfews and restrictions on basically everything. What would be better to the terrorists (other than the outright destruction of all Americans) than for the rights, priviledges and advantages enjoyed by all citizens to be taken away by their own government. to them that would be poetic justice!

48 posted on 06/09/2002 12:48:27 AM PDT by spetznaz
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To: spetznaz
No that's where you're wrong.
They don't give a damn about our "way of life". They want us dead. That's all - DEAD. So to deny them that, we must kill ALL OF THEM first.
49 posted on 06/09/2002 1:14:52 AM PDT by 11B3
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To: 11B3
It is one thing to destroy them all first, and i have no problem with getting the perpetrators and showing the the power of a JDAM.

However what the Freeper had been suggesting was martial law! And if we imposed that on ourselves the terrorists would have won a big battle since they would have changed the nature of American life!

Thus bomb UBL and his cronies for all you want, but the moment you change our way of life they win....even if they are dead!

And you really do not need to FLAME me to give your point!

50 posted on 06/09/2002 1:43:53 AM PDT by spetznaz
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