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NY Jews To Start Armed Patrols
The Guardian (UK) ^ | 6-10-2002

Posted on 06/09/2002 5:30:15 PM PDT by blam

N.y. Jews To Start Armed Patrols

Monday June 10, 2002 1:10 AM

NEW YORK (AP) - Citizens armed with shotguns will patrol the streets of the heavily Jewish Brooklyn neighborhoods because of comments a suspected terrorist made about targeting them, a rabbi said.

The patrols, to begin June 16, are in response to comments Abdul Rahman Yasin made during an interview on CBS' ``60 Minutes'' on June 2, said Rabbi Yakove Lloyd, founder and president of the right-wing Jewish Defense Group.

Yasin, who is sought by the FBI in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, said in an interview from a compound in Iraq that he and his accomplices originally targeted heavily Jewish neighborhoods in Brooklyn.

They later decided to attack the twin towers because they believed most of their occupants were Jewish, Yasin said. Six people were killed and more than 1,000 were injured in the 1993 bombing.

The largest segment of the population in the Borough Park and southern Flatbush neighborhoods is Hassidic and Orthodox Jews. There are 290 synagogues in the area.

Lloyd said the street patrols would include 50 to 200 people of various religious faiths, mainly Jews, carrying shotguns in bags, along with people licensed to own and carry other types of firearms. Others will carry bats, pipes, cell phones and walkie-talkies and will patrol the streets daily from 9 p.m. until 3 a.m. except Friday, the Jewish Sabbath.

``This will be a very effective deterrent against terrorism directed at American Jews and other targets,'' Lloyd said.

The rabbi criticized the police department for not adequately protecting the neighborhoods and said, ``the only people who will view us as vigilantes already look at us that way anyway.''

It is illegal to carry an exposed shotgun on city streets, New York Police Department spokeswoman Valerie St. Rose said. She said it was unclear whether carrying one in a bag is illegal.

``We'll monitor the (patrols), and if there needs to be police action taken, it will be taken,'' said St. Rose, who declined to say how many officers routinely patrol the neighborhoods.

A community leader from Williamsburg, another heavily Jewish neighborhood in Brooklyn, said he opposes the armed patrols.

``The Jewish community condemns such a thing. We don't need it. We can't have civilians running around with guns. It's going to look like Beirut here,'' said Isaac Abraham.

The Jewish Defense Group is ``a group of men and women who are proud to be Jews'' and are committed to defending, demonstrating and rallying for Jewish causes and against anti-Semitism, according to its Web site.

The JDG, founded by Lloyd in Queens in 1985, says it follows the principles of the late Rabbi Meir Kahane, founder of the Jewish Defense League.

In January, JDL chairman Irv Rubin and a group member were charged with conspiring to blow up a mosque and the office of an Arab-American congressman in California. Rubin and his co-defendant, Earl Krugel, pleaded innocent and are scheduled to go on trial Oct. 1.


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1 posted on 06/09/2002 5:30:16 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
There are 290 synagogues in the area.

I grew up in that neightborhood, literally across the street from one, and next door to another.

I dare say property values will rise another 20% with the extra security!

2 posted on 06/09/2002 5:35:34 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker
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To: blam
LOOKS LIKE THE BOYS FROM NY ARE STARTING TO PLAY COWBOYS AND MUSLIMS!!!!
3 posted on 06/09/2002 5:36:32 PM PDT by jocko12
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To: blam
Well let's get some comments from Barbra Streisand, Allen Dershowitz, and Norman Lear. Hopefully, some Jewish are waking up as the American Left turns against them.
4 posted on 06/09/2002 5:37:24 PM PDT by xJones
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To: blam
When riding in the van to Dallas for that counter-protest, I had the pleasure of visiting with a young woman - A Messianic Jew. She attends a Temple in Houston and told me how tight security is there.

Without a picture ID, she cannot get inside the building, unless someone can vouch for her. They've had to hire off-duty police to guard them, as well as a committee to screen people entering!

I had no idea and I doubt other non-Jews do, without hearing it from someone who lives the fear when they gather in a group.

5 posted on 06/09/2002 5:37:57 PM PDT by Humidston
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To: blam
Is this the same group that voted heavily for the gun grabbing princess Hillary?
6 posted on 06/09/2002 5:39:48 PM PDT by gitmogrunt
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To: xJones
Well let's get some comments from Barbra Streisand, Allen Dershowitz, and Norman Lear. Hopefully, some Jewish are waking up as the American Left turns against them.

This is just another in a line of double standards. Don't any Christians in the midwest get any idea being armed will be tolerated. New Yorkers carrying guns is OK. They are not religious extremists.

7 posted on 06/09/2002 5:42:25 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Humidston
I was talking to a Houston cop last weekend and he confirmed the same thing. The synagogues in Houston hire off-duty cops.

The mosques, however, are guarded by on-duty cops.

Go figure.

9 posted on 06/09/2002 6:03:56 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: gitmogrunt
In general orthodox jews tend to lean republican, jews like you describe could be thought of as ethenically jewish, but long lost to the religion.
10 posted on 06/09/2002 6:04:25 PM PDT by joeyman
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To: blam
It is illegal to carry an exposed shotgun on city streets, New York Police Department spokeswoman Valerie St. Rose said.

WTF? It's also illegal to carry a concealed shotgun!

11 posted on 06/09/2002 6:07:05 PM PDT by NC_Libertarian
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. Others will carry bats, pipes, cell phones and walkie-talkies and will patrol the streets daily from 9 p.m. until 3 a.m. except Friday, the Jewish Sabbath.

ROFLMAO!

``This will be a very effective deterrent against terrorism directed at American Jews and other targets,'' Lloyd said.

Yeah,providing any potential attackers are also Orthodox Jews who won't attack on a Friday.

It is illegal to carry an exposed shotgun on city streets, New York Police Department spokeswoman Valerie St. Rose said. She said it was unclear whether carrying one in a bag is illegal.

I'll betcha if this were a white Baptist talking about carrying a LOADED shotgun in a bag,the NYPD would have no trouble at all discovering laws against carrying a loaded AND concealed weapon.

12 posted on 06/09/2002 6:12:46 PM PDT by sneakypete
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To: Dog Gone
Wow. That just so totally STINKS!

Why should mosques get free what synagogues have to pay for?? This country is upside down.

13 posted on 06/09/2002 6:17:14 PM PDT by Humidston
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To: Humidston
It's the same police department that won't do anything about someone they determine is an illegal alien. The police chief says that they won't do that because he wants to focus on "enforcing laws."
14 posted on 06/09/2002 6:23:02 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: blam
I certainly don't blame them - it is wise to organize.
15 posted on 06/09/2002 6:23:34 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: blam
Friday, the Jewish Sabbath.

Saturday is the Jewish Sabbath, but it begins at sundown Friday night. The daytime part of Friday is another religion's Sabbath.

16 posted on 06/09/2002 6:26:51 PM PDT by Alouette
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To: Dog Gone
Oh yeah... Our PD, the same one that takes orders from LeePeriod P.Period Brown. I spoke with a detective the other day and he and I were chuckling over all those silly "rules" LPB sets up.

I think they're counting the days till he's GONE.

17 posted on 06/09/2002 6:30:28 PM PDT by Humidston
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To: anniegetyourgun
You're right, it is wise to organize. The 3,500,000 Jews in New York City ought to focus on getting the gun laws in New York State changed so that a CCW permit must be issued. That way someone other than Don Imus, friends of judges and politicians might be able to defend themselves.
18 posted on 06/09/2002 6:38:14 PM PDT by nygoose
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To: nygoose
Maybe some Christians can watch the backs of their Jewish friends on Friday Night and Saturday. Seems Friday night would be a good time to try something (terrorists) considering the next days Sabbath gathering
19 posted on 06/09/2002 7:01:21 PM PDT by Deepest South
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To: blam
Good old battle brewing between the right to self defense and NY's insane laws that prohibit anyone from carrying a firearm.
20 posted on 06/09/2002 7:08:10 PM PDT by pabianice
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