Oral-sex issue hits middle schools (posted 6/10/2002)

Lexington Herald Leader ^ | Jun. 09, 2002 | Valarie Honeycutt Spears

[Pern]

This isn't the first article concerning kids and sex I've come across. Another chapter in a certain ex-presidents legacy, IMO.

[MinuteGal]

Well, if oral sex isn't considered sex by the former Pervert-in-Chief, why should the kids?

The Clinton legacy lives, and proliferates.

Leni

[clouda]

According to my fifteen year old daughter, most girls don't consider oral sex as having sex. They consider it as, "doing a guy a favor".

[RobFromGa]

"It's more part of the culture, more talked about. It seems that in talking with the kids, they don't consider oral sex (to be) sex."

Now where could all these kids get that impression? I'm sure this is the VRWC's fault.

[ex-Texan]

I agree .... Bill Clinton's 'True Legacy' !!!

[CatoRenasci]

I have two teenage daughters. They have been telling us ever since the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal hit the press that most of their peers do not consider oral sex to be sex and that in both middle and high school oral sex is common. We've had many talks with them about this and they seem to have their heads on straight about it (hopefully this is not parental denial), but if what we hear is accurate, in middle school maybe 15-20% of girls had given oral sex by the end of 8th grade and in high school, the number is probably closer to 50-60%. Their friends in the local private schools report even higher numbers, it's almost a rite of passage for them. And this is an upper and upper-middle class suburb.

The only positive thing I can say about this is that they report that in their high school, girls who feel pressured by boyfrieds to go all the way (and who doesn't remember what teenage boys are like) will perform oral sex but refuse intercourse, and that most girls report that works. Apparently the girls (who knows what the boys think) can pretty much emotionally divorce themselves from it in a way they cannot or do not from actual intercourse. Bad as it is, it's better than pregnancies and the emotional effects of early teen intercourse.

[gcraig]

Exactly what I was getting ready to post...

[SLB]

FYI - This will just keep the stories flowing about Kentucky and incest. What are the parents doing? Where are the dads? If my kids were in public school (I praise the Lord I had the vision to take them out of those hell holes 14 years ago) and I found out something like this was happening, I would have to have a long talk with the parents of those involved - who says I can't force my morality on someone else?

[krb]

According to my fifteen year old daughter, most girls don't consider oral sex as having sex. They consider it as, "doing a guy a favor".

Well, it is doing a gay a favor, but as far as "is it sex," I'd say if it's something you wouldn't mind your wife doing for another guy, then it's not sex.

If it *is* something you would mind your wife performing for another man, then, well, you get my drift...

[MinuteGal]

And sexually-transmitted diseases are better than pregnacies, also!

A new twist on moral equivalency, I guess.

I don't envy anyone being parents of teen-agers and younger in this post-Clinton era.

Leni

[krb]

This will just keep the stories flowing about Kentucky and incest. What are the parents doing?

If this is incest, then I'd guess the parents are intimately involved...< grinning, ducking, and running >

[scan58]

The only positive thing I can say about this is that they report that in their high school, girls who feel pressured by boyfrieds to go all the way (and who doesn't remember what teenage boys are like) will perform oral sex but refuse intercourse, and that most girls report that works.

Not really a "positive" aspect, either, IMHO.

Apparently the girls (who knows what the boys think) can pretty much emotionally divorce themselves from it in a way they cannot or do not from actual intercourse.

I don't mean to sound cruel, but it sounds like a these girls are gearing up for a certain very old profession.

[CatoRenasci]

No, apparent sex education has taught the kids to require condoms to avoid STDs.

[CatoRenasci]

Of course it's not really a positive, but it does illustrate that kids are trying to cope with the intensely sexualized environment in which they find themselves without completely succombing. Would it be better if they were all good members of church groups and never did anything beyond a simple goodnight kiss? Possibly. Is it likely that most teenagers will completely avoid risky behavior and acts that they consider rebelling against their parents? I don't think so. I think your comment suggesting these kids are on their way to becoming prostitutes is small, gratuitous, and inaccurate. Were you never a teenager? Or were you a goody-two-shoes who never ever did anything other than exactly what your parents told you?

[connectthedots]

And just who did the national PTA, NEA, and the National Association of School Boards endorse in 1992, 1996, and 2000?

[Savage Beast]

"The Clinton Legacy Lives On!"

Immortal quotes from the American Newsmedia and Prominent Members of the Democrat Party:

"Everybody does it."

"It's just sex"

"Character doesn't count."

[scan58]

I think your comment suggesting these kids are on their way to becoming prostitutes is small, gratuitous, and inaccurate. Were you never a teenager? Or were you a goody-two-shoes who never ever did anything other than exactly what your parents told you?

Of course I was a teenager. My parents, just like their parents did with them, tried to instill in me that sex is wrong before marriage PERIOD. That's what I am telling my daughter, too. She will know that she doesn't owe these guys anything for "rite of passage".
As far as small and gratuitous, well, like I said, I didn't mean to be cruel and I meant it with all due respect to your thoughts. Innacurate? That's your opinion, but I have known a few prostitutes and that fits to a "T" how they think.

I will pray that your own daughters do "have their heads on straight" about it as I know that peer pressure can be hard.

[yendu bwam]

Would it be better if they were all good members of church groups and never did anything beyond a simple goodnight kiss? Possibly. Is it likely that most teenagers will completely avoid risky behavior and acts that they consider rebelling against their parents? I don't think so. I think your comment suggesting these kids are on their way to becoming prostitutes is small, gratuitous, and inaccurate. Were you never a teenager? Or were you a goody-two-shoes who never ever did anything other than exactly what your parents told you?

You have extremely low expectations for your daughters, and are also endangering them. If you really think it's OK to overlook boys' ejaculating in your daughters' mouths (after having made their rounds), then I feel sorry for you (but most especially for your daughers). No one can control what their kids do. But we certainly try to start with the best advice we can give them. Which in this case is, don't get involved with this stuff. Nothing good comes of it. We tell them that they will lead far happier lives if they reserve sexuality for marriage. And believe it or not, I think they understand that. And further, they actually ARE members of church groups (ones that we carefully vet). In these groups, in general, are good, wholesome kids who are trying valiantly to lead good, wholesome lives in the face of a culture which seeks at every step to corrupt them in one way or another (sex, oral sex, drugs, violence, profanity, bullying, etc. etc.). When your daughter comes home with oral gonorrhea, or when five boys come a-calling for servicing, you will have only yourself to blame. Finally, if you are telling your daughter that the way to engage in a relationship with a boy is to service him whenever he wants (which for most boys, would be quite frequently), I guarantee you that she will have NO lack of eager boyfriends. Whether they are the kind of boyfriends you would wish for your daughter, I honestly don't know. They would not be the kind of boys I would want my daughter to befriend.

[GeorgeHL]

Now I have to start warning my son about giving a girl a "goodnight kiss" and never,never,ever put his tongue where this girl might have used to do a favor for another guy!!

[TightSqueeze]

The Clinton legacy lives, and proliferates.

Granted this may be X42's legacy, but realize he did not invent oral sex, he merely popularized it in the media. Long before I ever heard of Clinton, (spit) oral sex was alive and well, at least in my high school. Back then there were many girls who were saving themselves for marriage (mostly Catholic) who would not be opposed to playing the sloberin’ blues on the business end of your meat whistle. Go figure.